Kyte
Never quacked for this
It's not the second, by definition.
Type Moon General
Revlid
blob of bugs
- Location
- England
I don't believe that Chaldea's using the Second Magic, but time travel does come under the Operation of Parallel Worlds, if Touko is to be believed.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
We know that it is possible to at least approach the Second without using Magic (see: Koujirou), so it's not impossible that it follows the same 'rules'.
AsGryffynn
Preparing for launch...
- Location
- Madrid
I am talking meta...
Sabers are also pretty honorable aren't they?
Kyte
Never quacked for this
Uh no.
And seriously, it can't be magic. If it were, it would stop being magic.
Go back to what Magic is.
RexHeller
Title Incoming. Please Hold.
- Location
- Somewhere else.
Omegahugger
Inattentive Idiot
Not particularily so. Sure, a lot of knights are both honourable and Sabers (like Arturia), but it isn't an inherent part of the class.
Heck, Fergus is a Saber and one of the two canon examples of "Nature of a Rebellious Spirit", I. E. the skill that makes summoning Lu Bu as a Berserker despite his Noble Phantasm a good idea.
- Location
- Ireland
depends completely on who you summon
Kyte
Never quacked for this
Chaldea's explicitly a fusion of magecraft and science.
Therefore, if it can do time travel, then time travel is not....?
LostDeviljho
Flame Dragon Princess
- Location
- The glorious Pacific Northwest
- Pronouns
- Any
Yeah, like that one guy Arthur! Oh, wait...
erlking
God I Want Summer To Die
In the Nasuverse the definition of magic, literally what makes it so special, is that True Magic does things science can not do. If science advances to the point that something that was previously impossible is possible, ie time travel, then that stops being magic.
RexHeller
Title Incoming. Please Hold.
- Location
- Somewhere else.
Ah, thank you. You might want to be more clear about things in the future. It might help make less misunderstandings.
- Location
- Ukraine
Ninja'd by two people now but I will still say this,
1) No, Sabers are not necessarily honorable. Seiba is, but she is a rather extreme outlier and more of an exception than the rule, all things considered. Hech, she is described as inhuman for so rigidly adhering to that honor.
2) There are different kinds of honor. Things that were considered honorable in Medieval Europe would be seen as foolish, unsightly, or cowardly behavior, if not an outright felony, just a few centuries prior or at the same time in, say, China or Japan.
3) Seiba was as honorable as they come. To the Einzberns' best knowledge, she had destroyed the Grail, snatching defeat from the jaws of their victory, for reasons unknown. So much for honor, eh?
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A Nation's Virtue
南國山河南帝居
I know I've been ninja'ed multiple times already but this is getting bloody annoying. They wanted the strongest famous hero that they knew of to be an antagonist. Him being a Berserker doesn't mean they hate Herakles for whatever reason. And again I ask, why are you looking for problems when there are none?
That's a dumb generalization. Besides, the Einzbern tried that with Seiba in the 4th war already. Why would they repeat that?
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Vanargand
So tired.....
It makes sense honestly
In Orleans Jeanne Alter thinks she is Jeanne's Hatred and Darkness towards those who abandoned her and the english
Then she finds out she isn't that at all but just the wish of a Madmen wishing for the image of a Girl who would approve of his current monstrosity. So she desperately tries to latch on something so she tries to summon Comrades because the Original Jeanne was someone who sainthood/charisma attracted many allies
Heck Cu Alter approaches things so mechanically you ponder if he is 'alive' at all
In Orleans Jeanne Alter thinks she is Jeanne's Hatred and Darkness towards those who abandoned her and the english
Then she finds out she isn't that at all but just the wish of a Madmen wishing for the image of a Girl who would approve of his current monstrosity. So she desperately tries to latch on something so she tries to summon Comrades because the Original Jeanne was someone who sainthood/charisma attracted many allies
Heck Cu Alter approaches things so mechanically you ponder if he is 'alive' at all
Kyte
Never quacked for this
No. I didn't post a contrived riddle, it was patently obvious. People just need to actually use their brains.
RexHeller
Title Incoming. Please Hold.
- Location
- Somewhere else.
No need to be a dick.
Vanargand
So tired.....
I think some of the Alters have distorded memories of the ones whom they were based off
I mean Alter Cu obviously feels something towards Scatatch
His approach in America is "I am a King summoned to engulf this country in Ruin. So be it."
But when Scathach approaches him he hesitates and states he dislikes the idea of fighting her
I mean Alter Cu obviously feels something towards Scatatch
His approach in America is "I am a King summoned to engulf this country in Ruin. So be it."
But when Scathach approaches him he hesitates and states he dislikes the idea of fighting her
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A Nation's Virtue
南國山河南帝居
I'm going to need to be honest, what he said wasn't exactly unclear.
AsGryffynn
Preparing for launch...
- Location
- Madrid
Isn't the whole point of Fergus that he was betrayed himself and he simply defected?
I was just proposing an example...
That guy that betrayed the family she served because her master framed her into doing it?
I was using the Saber class as a gross overgeneralization.
I can understand that for the novel! However, it seems there has been no news of traditional heroic Heracles yet (unless he was a servant on the leaks)...
harouki
Getting over it
- Location
- California
Honestly, it's her own damn fault for being so fucking hard to roll in the gatcha!
A Nation's Virtue
南國山河南帝居
They probably didn't bother reclassing him for the game because he doesn't have the fanbase Cu or Arturia do.
Wade Garrett
Just trying to do the right thing
- Pronouns
- He/His/Him
Mordred, Knight of Treachery says hi.
And fair's fair, Gawain you know I love you but that "Fight everybody in an arena that has been hacked so my Numeral of the Saint is always turned on" was a dick move on your part.
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