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Remember, Naruto doesn't have to be male when doing this. He's a kitsune, and thus a shapeshifter.
Tome of the Orange Sky (Naruto/MGLN)
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True, but my main point is that, while Naruto would need to train for weeks to get the chains ready to hold the two targets down, Kushina can do that Right Now. This would let Naruto spend the time instead getting ready for the Finals, or for the counter invasion. A better use of his time, yes?
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Dealing with holding one target down. The two tails's host isn't actually hostile. Also, "learn how to suppress tailed beasts with chains" is already part of Naruto's preperations for the finals. Oh, and however many clones get used to learn new jutsu, work on sealing, and everything else he regularly is working on.
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Holy crap, what happened to Kakashi in that omake? Best I can figure out is he got de-aged and genderflipped, or she mind-whammied him into her own memories...?
Now, is that pun going to annoy people, or annoy people to the point that everyone points out that's actually a third story?
There are not enough Ranma/Naruto crossovers. Just saiyan.
Now, is that pun going to annoy people, or annoy people to the point that everyone points out that's actually a third story?
This is that blend of pragmatism that just screams "Ninja!"
I don't know if he'd take it back, but he certainly made a mistake.
Wow, he's really out of it!
I just realized that Kaede is going to be targeted for kidnapping during the invasion. Orochimaru wants to capture a young Uchiha with a sharingan and she is the only one who is a valid target in Orochimaru's eyes. The only other options are Itachi, Shisui, Izumi and Sasuke. The first three are adults and I think jonin and Sasuke can't be marked in Orochimaru's mind. Granted Kaede will probably be well protected so I don't think it will go well but it will probably make a number of people mad.
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Roachie probably was responsible for the death of Kaede's pet in the hopes of it being traumatic enough to awaken a Sharingan.
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I hate that I had the mental image of Orochimaru sneaking into people's houses and eating their hamsters because of this.
I know that's not where you were going with it, just... That's what my brain is full of now. Roachie breaking into people's houses, tying them up, and eating their pets in front of them in hopes of unlocking their superpowers, and wandering off.
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Czlyydwr Llrngwl
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That's really petty cruelty, but at the same time I could see it. And of course he may not have been, up until the next time the author checks the thrad...
Please! Mr. Maru is a SCIENTIST! He would take notes before wandering off.
I also just considered doesn't Garra have his real mother's soul in his seal or something like that? So is she also going to be eaten by the tome? Considering that Garra is an enemy and not using it would be a waste of resources someone else might get a power boost that wouldn't have otherwise plus the tome is going to get more knowledge and secret suna knowledge even possibly.
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No, he merely thinks he's a SCIENTIST. He's no more a scientist then Cave Johnson of Portal fame is.
Which is exactly why he would think just taking some notes would be sufficient, despite not having any experimental controls, or pre-written theory or even a plan other than "do horrible stuff and see if it works". I mean really, if you wanted to test conditions for activating a Sharingan scientifically, you'd need to have at least a couple hundred test Uchihas, properly isolated, and arranged into test groups. Need to eliminate the placebo effect after all - if a horrible thing doesn't cause any more of them to trigger than the isolation alone did, then clearly it's not effective. (Also, somehow I don't think this experiment would make it past the ethics review board.)
Mr. Maru would never think of something like that though, he's the type to just be horrible until it works, and then assume the thing he did is what's responsible.
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On the idea that the Rinnesharingan that the Ten Tails and Kaguya and others gained from the chakra fruit has properties specifically from the world it is grown on, it is possible that at least the basic Sharingan is actually unconnected to the parts that require the connection to the tree, its base abilities aren't too out there compared to the Byakugan even, (photographic memory with enhanced motion vision, chakra sight that can perceive elemental composition and sees through some objects similarly to a thermal scan as shown in Sasuke vs. Deidara, and a simplified genjutsu casting ability using eye contact)
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Yes. Because he knows Garra has a tailed beast inside of him. Which Garra will not have by the time the finals roll around. Ergo, learning some other trick with a broader range of use cases may well be a better use of Naruto's time before the finals.
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The interesting thing there (assuming I'm understanding things correctly and not getting this mixed up with a different fic) is that Orochimaru really isn't that invested in the outcome of the invasion itself. His primary goal is to locate the 'real' Kyuubi Jinchuriki... which is completely impossible and has been for some time. And he'll go after some side objectives like putting seals on a few interesting genin. But destroying Konoha isn't something he really cares about much at this point, so while he's got reasons to throw more firepower at the village, it doesn't really matter whether it succeeds in the conventional sense. And he may prefer not to fight Sarutobi at all.
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Figuring this out though isn't just a one trick pony. It's a stepping stone towards other things. Also, you assume he's not working on a dozen things at the same time.
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Why are people thinking that the ability to suppress a biju's chakra with the chakra chains won't translate to suppressing any other weaker source of chakra, I would assume the difference is control and potency of the technique similar to going from cutting a leaf to cutting a waterfall, just because you go from one to the next doesn't suddenly make using it at the lower level impossible.
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I'm not saying he should not learn to do this. I'm saying he shouldn't wait until he's able to before going after Garra if Kushina can do the suppression for him, and that focusing on something that will take the majority of the time before the finals when other things are more useful to focus on in that particular timeframe is less then optimal.
Yes, he's able to train in a dozen things at once. However, there is still a limit on how many man/clone hours of training he can get in by the exam, and even using clones he estimates being able to suppress a bijuu will take most of those hours. Better to, say, figure out the Swamp of the Underworld technique to deny Neji footing and Garra sand access in those hours...
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First, he has to know about the Swamp of the Underworld technique, for example. Maybe that's a Sage specific thing and Minato doesn't even know it's possible.
Second of all, I think you are making a critical mistake with your assumption of priorities. You are assuming that his mother using the technique while piloting an extremely fragile shadow clone is a better use of time. While yes, a barrier jacket makes shadow clones far more durable, they aren't invincible. In addition, Kushina may well be too busy dealing with killing the tailed beast to focus on maintaining a chakra suppression. You also assume Naruto needs a way to counter Neji and Garra's sand.
We know from canon that pure speed can and does negate the defensive advantage of Garra's sand. Rock Lee dominates the match with Garra in canon, and isn't actually hurt or nearly killed until after he opened several of the Gates. An act which at that point in time gives Lee a massive power boost but also seriously messes up his body after a short period of use due to the strain. At this point in time Garra is a crap fighter, relying entirely on his sand to fight and defend himself. Hell, Naruto already has a plethora of options for dealing with the sand.
We also know in this story that Naruto is at the very least capable of holding his own against Neji using just the gentle fist. His elemental clones were able to pressure Neji, and those were disrupted by any solid hit. We further know that his taijutsu is at least good enough to at pressure ANBU. In fact, while Naruto thought the ANBU he was sparring against where kicking his ass... the ANBU thought Naruto and his clones were toying with them. Neji, regardless of his 'prodigy' status, is unlikely to be on the same level as ANBU at this point in time.
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It's also the first field altering/controlling technique I could think of. I'm sure Naruto can come up with one on his own given time.
Naruto estimated it would take weeks (plural) to master the ability to suppress a bijuu's chakra. The finals are less then a month away; likely less then three weeks by now, certainly less then four. This makes Naruto reliably suppressing Garra in time a gamble. Meanwhile, if Kushina's clone gets popped, then all that is lost is surprise; I expect they would have at least a plan b, c, and d before trying, with d being disengage and try again later.
No, but a flashy field effect jutsu would look VERY attractive to potential customers. Not to mention the strategic use of such techniques would look good to the judges, and boost his chances of promotion.
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A flashy field effect jutsu... such as that upscaled bartender blender jutsu, for example? Or any number of water or wind based techniques he could use to negate the sand? Your idea requires two things:
A. that a personality imprint is capable of using the sealing chains, which may not be possible... especially if doing so requires a blood sacrifice
B. that Naruto thinks he needs a flashy field effecting jutsu
It also assumes that the judges care about "flashy". The judges are, as I recall, the attending kages. And they are judging if the chunin hopefuls have the right mind set and skill set to be chunin. "big and flashy" might wow the crowd, but is that what is being looked for by the judges? Or is tactical ability and how one adapts to changing situations more in line with what they're looking for? Remember that in canon it wasn't the genin with the flashy moves that got promoted. It was the ones who displayed more subtle qualities.
I'd go out on a limb and guess that none of Team Yurei are at risk of not being promoted. They've been displaying the desired qualities for a chunin the entire time, including when not in a match. Willingness to take the initiative? Check. Information gathering? Check. Tactical capability? Check. The skills needed for the rank? Check once again. If Naruto doesn't get promoted, it wont be due to a lack of "big flashy area effect moves".
For that matter, Naruto already has "big flashy area effect" moves that haven't been revealed yet. And we have no idea what jutsu he just got access to that'll be trained during the month before the finals.
A. that a personality imprint is capable of using the sealing chains, which may not be possible... especially if doing so requires a blood sacrifice
B. that Naruto thinks he needs a flashy field effecting jutsu
It also assumes that the judges care about "flashy". The judges are, as I recall, the attending kages. And they are judging if the chunin hopefuls have the right mind set and skill set to be chunin. "big and flashy" might wow the crowd, but is that what is being looked for by the judges? Or is tactical ability and how one adapts to changing situations more in line with what they're looking for? Remember that in canon it wasn't the genin with the flashy moves that got promoted. It was the ones who displayed more subtle qualities.
I'd go out on a limb and guess that none of Team Yurei are at risk of not being promoted. They've been displaying the desired qualities for a chunin the entire time, including when not in a match. Willingness to take the initiative? Check. Information gathering? Check. Tactical capability? Check. The skills needed for the rank? Check once again. If Naruto doesn't get promoted, it wont be due to a lack of "big flashy area effect moves".
For that matter, Naruto already has "big flashy area effect" moves that haven't been revealed yet. And we have no idea what jutsu he just got access to that'll be trained during the month before the finals.
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How about "big flashy moves concealing some more sneaky moves"? Think the judges would like that?
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How about the concept of Basic(s)kill? That is, the use of the most simple d-rank tricks in ways that are none-the-less cracked. I'm sure that will pop off with the crowd and impress the Kages at the same time.
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You mean things like demonstrating he can quickly clean up any evidence and hide any bodies using a cleaning jutsu? Such as the way Naruto fixed up the arena after his match with Rock Lee, and again after Sasuke's match in the prelims? Hell, the fact the team downplayed their abilities as much as they did without actually hindering their capabilities was likely exactly the sort of thing being looked for in a chunin infiltration specialist.
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Does Naruto even have to do that well to get promoted? Doesn't he simply have to reach the finals and show enough/be known by the higher ups as worthy to get the promotion? Plus if he does well enough in prep or during the invasion that can be used as proof of him deserving the promotion.