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Tome of the Orange Sky (Naruto/MGLN)

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Morganite said:
The interesting thing there (assuming I'm understanding things correctly and not getting this mixed up with a different fic) is that Orochimaru really isn't that invested in the outcome of the invasion itself. His primary goal is to locate the 'real' Kyuubi Jinchuriki... which is completely impossible and has been for some time. And he'll go after some side objectives like putting seals on a few interesting genin. But destroying Konoha isn't something he really cares about much at this point, so while he's got reasons to throw more firepower at the village, it doesn't really matter whether it succeeds in the conventional sense. And he may prefer not to fight Sarutobi at all.

-Morgan.
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Whether or not he'll put effort into going after Sarutobi would depend on whether Danzo's implications that he was working with Orochimaru and the 'real purpose' of the Konoha Crush was killing the Hokage and Kazekage were true or just Danzo being Danzo. If Danzo was telling the truth, then Orochimaru will at least make an attempt at killing Sarutobi and the Kazekage regardless of how everything else goes: Because Orochimaru is the only other person on the planet who knows what Danzo is actually capable of, having almost certainly been the one who gave Danzo his armful o' magic eyeballs. So I'd expect Orochimaru would at least make a token effort to fulfill 'his side' of the plan, if only to keep Danzo off his back.

That said, I think it's likely that Orochimaru will pull the Impure World Resurrection regardless of anything else. (Which will of course work on the First and Second Hokages, but fail on the Fourth.) Because IIRC he wants to test out the technique in a real battle, and it's not like using it carries any danger to him. Orochimaru is also (justifiably) very confident in his ability to survive literally anything, so even if the entire Crush goes completely sideways I think he'd still get personally involved just because he's that confident that he can always escape.
(And if the Tome wasn't involved, I'd say he would be right to be that confident. But with the Tome being a thing, all bets are off.)
 
Neruz said:
but fail on the Fourth
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Actually, given the reason that it failed in the manga being that the fourth was chilling in the shinigami's stomach and that in this story the fox got ripped out of their rather destructively, it is likely that the Minato does get successfully summoned in this story should if be attempted, also possible that the tome gets to eat the bodies of the revived Kage and possibly make a copy of the first and second's minds, and even without that would possibly be able to upgrade the bodies for Naruto's parents in the tome with parts of the technique.
 
uaeoaeoeoi said:
Actually, given the reason that it failed in the manga being that the fourth was chilling in the shinigami's stomach and that in this story the fox got ripped out of their rather destructively, it is likely that the Minato does get successfully summoned in this story should if be attempted, also possible that the tome gets to eat the bodies of the revived Kage and possibly make a copy of the first and second's minds, and even without that would possibly be able to upgrade the bodies for Naruto's parents in the tome with parts of the technique.
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I was operating under the assumption that the Tome sucked Minato out of the Shinigami as well, but if it did indeed only get Kurama's Yin half then the Impure World Resurrection might work on Minato yeah, assuming that his soul took the opportunity provided by the Shinigami's rupturing to escape into the Pure Land.
 
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I'm not entirely sure that the Impure World Resurrection jutsu would actually work within the summoning suppression field over konoha...
 
Of course, if the Impure World Resurection is a summoning technique, it's likely to outright fail because Orochi isn't one of the authorized summoners. A fact which Orochi has no idea is even an issue. And Danzo doesn't know about the anti-summoning defenses either due to no longer having the authority to know about them or the ability to find out covertly. Also, Danzo's just lost access to even more of his hidden tunnel network.

Regarding the earlier bit about how Naruto should let his mom do the chakra suppressing chains bit while he spends the month learning flashy area effect jutsu...

CmptrWz said:
"It'll be a few days at least, since I need to be sure that I can suppress chakra with my chains, and I don't think I'll need either of your help there." Not now that he could get the Tome to make clones of his parents, anyway. "But if Hinata is getting one of the two bound to her then she's probably going to need to be ready to spend a day or two here instead of home."
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That was a few days before Naruto revealed everything to the 3rd Hokage. So, it looks like it wont be a month to get the adamantine sealing chains working. Naruto likely already has it working, and will soon (probably in the next update) be dealing with the tailed beasts.
 
ForestGardener said:
And hopefully the Ōtsutsuki got swatted by Please Ignore the Secret Kingdom in the multiple millennia between the Tome of the Orange Sky crash landing and the present so we don't have to deal with them in this story.

Anyway.

Tanuki and fox are both canids. Naruto became part-fox first and has been for several years now, giving the features plenty of time to 'settle' and become part of his self-image. Kurama apparently had far more chakra than Shukaku does. Between those factors I would expect Naruto to still mostly look like a kitsune if they decide to have him absorb the one-tail's chakra.
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I'm thinking Naruto would get the seal based tattoos the Tanuki got.
 
pids said:
I'm not entirely sure that the Impure World Resurrection jutsu would actually work within the summoning suppression field over konoha...
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Could go either way, on the one hand the technique's full name is "Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation", but on the other hand that doesn't necessarily mean it functions the same way that normal summons do, considering that it summons souls from the Pure Land whether they want to be summoned or not, rather than summoning previously-contracted animal friends from wherever it is that the summons clans live.

On the gripping hand, if memory serves Orochimaru summons the coffins with the pre-prepared sacrifices in them, and that would definitely be interrupted by the suppression field.

On the other gripping hand, after the first failure, Orochimaru could simply retreat far enough to perform the Impure World Reincarnation outside of the field, and then just send the reincarnated Kage into Konoha to cause chaos and maybe make an attempt on Hiruzen's life. He does want to test the technique out after all, so I'd expect that even if every other part of the plan goes to shit in the worst case scenario he'd probably still pull the Kage out and toss them at Konoha, if only as a spiteful 'fuck you' to cover his retreat.
 
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Neruz said:
On the other gripping hand, after the first failure, Orochimaru could simply retreat far enough to perform the Impure World Reincarnation outside of the field, and then just send the reincarnated Kage into Konoha to cause chaos and maybe make an attempt on Hiruzen's life. He does want to test the technique out after all, so I'd expect that even if every other part of the plan goes to shit in the worst case scenario he'd probably still pull the Kage out and toss them at Konoha, if only as a spiteful 'fuck you' to cover his retreat.
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That would require that he retreat a good distance outside of Konoha. Which I'm not sure Orochimaru would be willing to do unless he realizes his invasion has been completely curbstomped. For one thing, doing so would require taking down the barrier trapping the 3rd in place and preventing others from helping the hokage.
 
FaerieKnight79 said:
That would require that he retreat a good distance outside of Konoha. Which I'm not sure Orochimaru would be willing to do unless he realizes his invasion has been completely curbstomped. For one thing, doing so would require taking down the barrier trapping the 3rd in place and preventing others from helping the hokage.
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I'm not expecting the barrier to go up in the first place, or if it does go up I doubt it'll last long against the Tome. But yes if it does somehow go up and stay up he'd probably try to kill Hiruzen without summons and would only bring the barrier down to flee if Hiruzen manages to overpower him.

Which, with Hiruzen having access to his summons because he is on the list, is a likely outcome.


On the other hand; Orochimaru should become aware that Something Is Wrong before that point, because the three big snakes with bibs that are supposed to be summoned as a distraction will not be due to the field.
 
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Wasn't there something about a bunch of old Uzumaki summoning masks, with the one for the shinigami being broken? Or am I getting mixed up with a different story?
 
That happened. And this means that the summoning seal used by Minato against the nine tails and that the 3rd used in canon while fighting Orochimaru is no longer an option.

But then again, it's possible Orochi wont be able to call forth and enslave the former hokage of the Village. And the 3rd has been able to train and get back in fighting form. Not to mention the village having options and defenses which will prevent the major reasons the invasion was as effective as it was in canon. For example, a certain pervy sage will be able to focus on something other then fending off giant snakes.

Speaking of the pervy sage, Danzo may think he can distract the man and keep the only known seal master away from the village during the invasion. But even if the frog sage does get distracted, he can now get back to Konoha in seconds rather then days or weeks. And even if Orochi does somehow manage to trap the 3rd and summon forth 2 or 3 former hokages to fight for him... Hiruzen isn't trapped.

As I recall, the summoning of those three snakes happened concurrently with Orochi trapping Hiruzen and the invasion being signeled via a sleep genjutsu. It didn't look like he was actually directing or managing the invasion. Did he plan things? Yes, but he then let those plans happen on their own while he killed Hiruzen. I don't think in canon he'd even been aware of the fact his invasion had been repelled quite successfully until after he fled. Thus since Orochi is trying to keep a low profile for now, it's quite possible that his first indication that something is wrong will be... when he tries to retrieve his sword and summon the dead hokage.

And Danzo's first indication something is wrong will be when there are no giant tanuki and neko rampaging.
 
duckblaster said:
My impression was that it would also stop Orochimaru from summoning the other Hokages.
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I believe that CmptrWz has confirmed that the Shinigami Mask was not tied to the Edo Tensei, so the mask being broken does not impact that technique? I also suspect that the anti-summoning seal would not prevent the resurrection portion of the technique, since it is not summoning a physical object to a location.

However, the way that Orochimaru uses the technique during the Chunin Exams attack is inconsistent with later depictions — later it is depicted as a large seal on the ground, and subsuming the sacrifice over time. During the Chunin Exams, it has coffins slowly appear from the ground and burst open to reveal the reincarnated individual.

It is possible that Orochimaru managed to "stall" the technique — performing the initial sacrifice/transformation, and sealing the result in the coffins before it was finished (this would certainly make it easier to deploy multiple Hokage at once, since you only need to worry about using Edo Tensei on one at a time, and then seal them away for later — "Instant Hokage, Just Add Chakra" — without depleting your reserves in battle, and removes the need to have the living sacrifice handy to use) In which case, it might block the coffins from being summoned to his location (assuming he hadn't just stuck them in storage seals on the roof in advance), and just unleash a pair of uncontrolled immortal Hokage wherever he was keeping the coffins. Quite possibly in the middle of his workshop or army!
 
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Chronocidal said:
However, the way that Orochimaru uses the technique during the Chunin Exams attack is inconsistent with later depictions
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The "later depictions" are after the Time-Skip and Satan only knows how many tweaks and improvements from first Orochimaru then Kabuto on the Jutsu after the Invasion showing.

Because that is one of the few positive things one can say on Orochimaru: he always try to mod and improve what he gets his hands on (see Anko's Prototype Cursed Seal vs the later versions sported by the Sound Four, Sasuke and Kimimaro).
 
Isn't the version used in the Chunin exams still the original "needs the sacrifice of a living person, and the 'resurected' person only has the chakra capacity of the sacrifice" version? As opposed to the improved version created by Kabuto in canon which brings someone back with their full chakra capacity (rather then just the capacity of the sacrifice)? As such, it's quite possible that the improved version requires more time and a large seal array, while the original didn't.
 
FaerieKnight79 said:
Isn't the version used in the Chunin exams still the original "needs the sacrifice of a living person, and the 'resurected' person only has the chakra capacity of the sacrifice" version? As opposed to the improved version created by Kabuto in canon which brings someone back with their full chakra capacity (rather then just the capacity of the sacrifice)? As such, it's quite possible that the improved version requires more time and a large seal array, while the original didn't.
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As I recall, Hashirama and Tobirama were throwing around jutsu like it was no big deal, and were still going strong when Sarutobi was so worn out that he decided to summon the Shinigami as a Hail Mary.
 
IIRC, Impure World Resurrection always had a rapid regeneration factor. I always interpreted that to include rapid regeneration of chakra. Thus if the version used in Chunin Exams were limited to the chakra supply of the sacrifice, that limit applied to the per second output, not to the maximum total output.
 
AzrielIlluminare said:
He sacrificed the Genin Team he sent from Sound for the Jutsu, or well Zaku and Kin, Dosu got killed by Gaara. So I don't think the resurrected individual is limited to the sacrifices Chakra output.
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Unless this is anime continuity, then maybe Zaku was one sacrifice, but Kin had to have survived because she appeared in an anime exclusive arc.

This would also make sense for him from a resource management line of thought, Kin lost but suffered minimal injuries in her fight so she could still have various possible uses later, Zaku blew his fucking arms up and I doubt Orochimaru would care enough to get him replacements over swapping him for one of the zombie hokage, that still leaves who the other two sacrifices(because he expected to get Minato so must have had a sacrifice for him) were, but I doubt he had any trouble finding a random unlucky victim, possibly one of his failed experiments or if he already replaced the Kazekage before preparing the technique maybe one of suna's more expendable(in his perspective at least) ninja.
 
uaeoaeoeoi said:
Unless this is anime continuity, then maybe Zaku was one sacrifice, but Kin had to have survived because she appeared in an anime exclusive arc.

This would also make sense for him from a resource management line of thought, Kin lost but suffered minimal injuries in her fight so she could still have various possible uses later, Zaku blew his fucking arms up and I doubt Orochimaru would care enough to get him replacements over swapping him for one of the zombie hokage, that still leaves who the other two sacrifices(because he expected to get Minato so must have had a sacrifice for him) were, but I doubt he had any trouble finding a random unlucky victim, possibly one of his failed experiments or if he already replaced the Kazekage before preparing the technique maybe one of suna's more expendable(in his perspective at least) ninja.
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In the Anime, Kin's face is explicitly shown as one of the sacrifices when layer of transformed dirt sloughs off the defeated/sealed Senju Hokages.


While Kin does show up in the Anime OVA and Naruto: Ultimate Ninja 3 game arc "Finally a clash! Jōnin vs. Genin!! Indiscriminate Grand Melee Tournament Meeting!!", she is far from the only confirmed-dead character to do so: Zaku (the other Edo Tensei sacrifice), Dosu (killed by Gaara), the Sandaime Hokage (killed by Orochimaru), Hayate (killed by Baki), Haku (killed by Kakashi), Zabuza (killed by Kakashi), Jirōbō (killed by Chōji), Kidōmaru (killed by Neji), Tauyua (killed by Temari), Sakon and Ukon (killed by Kankuro), and Kimimaro (killed by Orochimaru's medical ineptitude) all appear.

Since this arc is supposed to be an in-Konoha special tournament/competition, it is possible that some ninja were charged with disguising themselves as former opponents of the genin, and to fight with approximations of those opponents' skills, to gauge how far the genin had grown.
 
Or the OVA and video game arc aren't considered canon. I'd especially consider an arc in a video game as being suspect regards to how canon it is.... Unless it's Dot Hack. Those games are canon, and an integral part of the Dot Hack story line.
 
FourmyleOfCeres said:
I hate that I had the mental image of Orochimaru sneaking into people's houses and eating their hamsters because of this.

I know that's not where you were going with it, just... That's what my brain is full of now. Roachie breaking into people's houses, tying them up, and eating their pets in front of them in hopes of unlocking their superpowers, and wandering off.
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Unfortunately for Roachie, this is not a universe where extradimensional entities can connect to people who have a horrible experience. Although he would fit right in with Cauldron.
 
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