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Tohsaka as an Uchiha Quest (Naruto/FSN)

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AoMythology said:
What is the evidence of this? I remember Shirou being excellent at sniffing out active Magecraft, but that IS like a bloodline. Rin was all but useless at that, and while she was decent to good at sensing inert Prana, I don't remember such a thing being superior to a natural Chakra sensor of Naruto.
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Sorry, I was thinking of the Hyuuga as an example, but I should have said "bloodline bullshit". At bare minimum, Magecraft can enhance the user's "normal" senses beyond anything chakra does without a bloodline - eyes seeing with perfect clarity for miles for example beats regular chakra enhancement, but isn't as nuts as Hyuuga 360 degree vision with no line-of-sight required.

AoMythology said:
Nope, there WAS a metal poster in the story a bit earlier than that, but it might have been a different poster. Taiga hit Shirou with it, but she forgot it was metallic and knocked him out.
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...It might be a difference between the LNs and the anime, in which case the LN should probably win. Sorry @plotvitalnpc.
 
In regards to magecraft it'll honestly be far more useful for something as basic as making a set of jewels to provide a secure method of communication between wearers. This would allow Rin to use her sensory ability to observe who is talking with who within the Uchiha Clan, and whether, or not anyone is talking with an outsider, and report everything back to Shisui for use in discerning where the faults lines within the coup faction are.

Actually if jewel/magecraft familiars are a sufficiently outside of context problem that the Sharingan identifies them to have a different color of chakra/energy then what Rin has she'd be able to listen in on what her kinsmen who're pro coup are planning to do in an upcoming meeting without any concern for it being traced back to her directly, and give Itachi/Shisui enough time to work out thorough counter arguments. This is a set of skills that should be far more easily acquirable than combat skills to warrant even a seat in the Uchicha Clan meetings if magecraft is available to train.
 
AoMythology said:
What is the evidence of this? I remember Shirou being excellent at sniffing out active Magecraft, but that IS like a bloodline. Rin was all but useless at that, and while she was decent to good at sensing inert Prana, I don't remember such a thing being superior to a natural Chakra sensor of Naruto.



Nope, there WAS a metal poster in the story a bit earlier than that, but it might have been a different poster. Taiga hit Shirou with it, but she forgot it was metallic and knocked him out.

@DarkKing98 Magecraft DOES do some things much better than Chakra/ninjutsu. @Deathbybunnies has a point.
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It'd be weird if they were different posters.
Chekhov's gun and all.
Or...chekhov's poster.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Sorry, I was thinking of the Hyuuga as an example, but I should have said "bloodline bullshit". At bare minimum, Magecraft can enhance the user's "normal" senses beyond anything chakra does without a bloodline - eyes seeing with perfect clarity for miles for example beats regular chakra enhancement,
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As a Uchiha we really don't need magecraft for that, the "bloodlines don't count" argument falls apart when you do in fact have a bloodline.
 
SpeckofStardust said:
As a Uchiha we really don't need magecraft for that, the "bloodlines don't count" argument falls apart when you do in fact have a bloodline.
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I'm not sure how well the Sharingan does with distance - I thought it was for seeing chakra and extreme detail with photographic memory - but yeah, hearing and smell etc. are more relevant to us personally.

EDIT: If Magecraft is possible here, and we're the only user, would that make our Magecraft stronger? Not only is this world not experiencing an age of science like our own, but I'm almost sure that I read somewhere that the magecraft was made more mundane due to the number of people drawing from the Root. Hell, maybe this world's Root won't be restricted and actual Magic will be possible!

Or maybe we won't be able to access the Root at all, and this is all moot.
 
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Deathbybunnies said:
I'm not sure how well the Sharingan does with distance - I thought it was for seeing chakra and extreme detail with photographic memory - but yeah, hearing and smell etc. are more relevant to us personally.

EDIT: If Magecraft is possible here, and we're the only user, would that make our Magecraft stronger? Not only is this world not experiencing an age of science like our own, but I'm almost sure that I read somewhere that the magecraft was made more mundane due to the number of people drawing from the Root. Hell, maybe this world's Root won't be restricted and actual Magic will be possible!

Or maybe we won't be able to access the Root at all, and this is all moot.
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Well unless Itachi has a superb sensory ability we weren't told of on screen it is presumably how he pulled off his Genjutsu outside the range of the sensory division feat.

The power of a particular mystery is drawn from the Root, and thus is a constant values that is divided between those who use it, which is true for an artificially created mystery like magecraft. There are enough unknowns that I'd caution against the assumption over it being stronger like whether, or not carving a system of rules onto the world to create interference is necessary for the planet, and frankly raw power isn't really important for magecraft whereas it being an outside of context problem is far more useful.
 
Yun said:
Well unless Itachi has a superb sensory ability we weren't told of on screen it is presumably how he pulled off his Genjutsu outside the range of the sensory division feat.
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I only read the manga, but I'll take your word for it.

Yun said:
The power of a particular mystery is drawn from the Root, and thus is a constant values that is divided between those who use it, which is true for an artificially created mystery like magecraft. There are enough unknowns that I'd caution against the assumption over it being stronger like whether, or not carving a system of rules onto the world to create interference is necessary for the planet, and frankly raw power isn't really important for magecraft whereas it being an outside of context problem is far more useful.
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There's a whole bunch of unknowns - not least of which is whether we can draw from the Root at all here - but that particular factor is certainly in our favour.
 
Basic point is simple. The two systems have different difficulties on each upgrade, so you can mix and match for profit.

Incidentally, I wonder if the Uchiha clan counts as having metaphysical ownership over their clan holdings only, or if as a founding Konoha clan they have claim to the whole village under joint ownership? Rin in Fuyuki could literally draw on the power of the earth to recharge and heal as Second Owner(and literal owner of a whole bunch of city areas)
 
veekie said:
Basic point is simple. The two systems have different difficulties on each upgrade, so you can mix and match for profit.

Incidentally, I wonder if the Uchiha clan counts as having metaphysical ownership over their clan holdings only, or if as a founding Konoha clan they have claim to the whole village under joint ownership? Rin in Fuyuki could literally draw on the power of the earth to recharge and heal as Second Owner(and literal owner of a whole bunch of city areas)
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Really? I don't remember that part of an area ownership. Link?

Tsunade has left the village. If the Uchiha clan is slaughtered and Sasuke leaves too, then Rin might be considered Second Owner. It's not certain because if she's without Circuits and Magecraft as a whole doesn't exist in the Narutoverse, then there's no such thing for her.
 
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The vote is closed now.

Winners:
[21](Origin) Pick up the gem
[28](Milk) Drink
[14](Action) Try to find your Circuits

SB winners:
[20](Origin) Pick up the gem
[32](Milk) Drink
[24](Action) Try to speak

Total winners:
[W](Origin) Pick up the gem
[W](Milk) Drink
[](Action) Try to speak or (Action) Try to find your Circuits

Does anyone have arguments that will convince me one way or the other?


Tally:
Adhoc vote count started by AoMythology on Aug 4, 2018 at 6:56 AM, finished with 109 posts and 30 votes.
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Deathbybunnies said:
...The gem won, which means Rin's keeping her personality, and there's no way Tohsaka Rin wouldn't immediately check on the status of her Magecraft? It was her whole life.
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Ya know, this is what pisses me off the most. QM stated before, maybe even multiple times, that choosing a nongem origin would not completely change her personality.

Anyways, speech because how else will everything go with her absolutely perfect, flawless plans that will never fail at all?
 
DarkKing98 said:
Anyways, speech because how else will everything go with her absolutely perfect, flawless plans that will never fail at all?
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She's Tohsaka Uchiha Rin. She can make people go along with her ideas through sheer force of will, verbal communication is optional.

... why do I suddenly think we're going to need a lit of "Rin facts" for this quest?
 
Macros said:
She's Tohsaka Uchiha Rin. She can make people go along with her ideas through sheer force of will, verbal communication is optional.

... why do I suddenly think we're going to need a lit of "Rin facts" for this quest?
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Because the world is Naruto and thus you will get people who know nothing of the Nasuverse joining?
 
DarkKing98 said:
Ya know, this is what pisses me off the most. QM stated before, maybe even multiple times, that choosing a nongem origin would not completely change her personality.

Anyways, speech because how else will everything go with her absolutely perfect, flawless plans that will never fail at all?
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They literally all say "A change in personality", except for the cheat which says "Seriously reminds you of Archer's personality" which implies an even greater change. They wouldn't completely overwrite her personality, but they absolutely would affect it, and the gem made no changes at all. Which is relevant because Rin's whole purpose in life was Magecraft.

SpeckofStardust said:
Anyone else amused that there was like zero discussion on the milk drink?
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I did think about it for a bit, but I just couldn't see a reason not to drink it. Early mother's milk has Very Important nutrients, and refusing would likely mean a reputation hit.
DarkKing98 said:
Because the world is Naruto and thus you will get people who know nothing of the Nasuverse joining?
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It's not very complicated though - I doubt anything obscure enough to require an explanation will go unsaid in the main story. And if people know nothing about Rin in a quest called "Tohsaka as an Uchiha" then they ought to expect not knowing about the MC? It's not like this was in any way a hidden crossover.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
It's not very complicated though - I doubt anything obscure enough to require an explanation will go unsaid in the main story. And if people know nothing about Rin in a quest called "Tohsaka as an Uchiha" then they ought to expect not knowing about the MC? It's not like this was in any way a hidden crossover.
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This is the same site that, after being flat out told their write in will kill them, proceed to still vote for it and bitch about being killed.
 
DarkKing98 said:
This is the same site that, after being flat out told their write in will kill them, proceed to still vote for it and bitch about being killed.
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That was hilarious and they got exactly what they deserved. You can only hold someone's hand so much.

In this case, not knowing much about Rin's personality... well, either it comes across in the text naturally and they'll find out anyway, or it won't and the point is entirely moot.
 
It wasn't a default option or a trap or anything - they just came up with some very shaky and entirely unsupported logic about how stabbing themselves through the heart was the secret best option, voted for it, and then lost their shit when - surprise! - stabbing yourself through the heart kills you.
 
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