@Ferian, honestly I think the questions should have been a separate vote. What is the specific issue with the questions?
I agree wholeheartedly - whereas the training focus and mutation can be conjoined under the broad category of long-term development, the immediate actions are altogether a separate category. But as Ao has said, it's too late to change that; what's done is done.

I have made some comments about the wording of the questions in an earlier post here. The questions with that altered wording are also featured in a complete state in my suggested plan here if that is a format you find preferable. If you see any issue with my wording of the questions, please don't hesitate to mention it. If you agree with my reasoning on some points, at least, I shall be thankful if you implement those changes in your plan as well. I would like to see this part of the vote get some more attention but alas, the other sections have sparked a livelier discussion.
 
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@Ferian I like the last question, the QM could close the vote and then open a redo on the questions vote if enough people raise a fuss but it's up to the author and me changing the questions on my vote would just confuse people at this point. We might also not have all the questions we voted for if we stress Karen out too much(I think).
 
It's not like the spirit of the questions changes... but, whatever. I guess I'll be sinking with my ship in solitude; pity.

There's no reason Rin would have to forge weapons herself, there are blacksmiths for that. Do you really think Minato personally crafted each of the kunai he applied the Hiraishin seal to, when he could just order them made to his specifications?
Also, the legendary blades of the Seven Swordsmen can't require exotic maintenance since their wielders know nothing about methods the Uchiha used in their creation. If even those masterworks don't need it, I doubt Rin would have to worry about loosing all that much time to maintenance.
Rin is a perfectionist who remembers just what quality weapons can be at their best. I doubt there's a smith in the Land of Fire she'd be happy with, not to mention that alchemy opens up options that are outright impossible to local smiths. Yeah, outsourcing is an option she'll take if necessary; but not for her own weapons, that much I am confident of.
Easily? Futhark runes are something many magi study for their entire lives without ever getting to that level.
Bazett's use of runic sorcery for enhancement was a large part of what made her an elite enforcer. As for Touko, according to her wiki article Ansuz is one of only three 'primeval runes' that she ever learned to replicate, despite being "one of the most powerful magi in the world".

Also, you seem to forget that we only sacrifice "directly offensive Elemental Magecraft" - indirect methods are still possible, so the field of attack vectors we loose and can't replicate with jutsu is incredibly narrow.
Quite easily, yes. First of all, and I can't emphasize this point enough, the Ansuz used in Kara no Kyoukai part 4 is modern rune-based magecraft. It is not one of Touko's three primeval rune replicas, which could amplify any other runic curse she used a million fold and which Aoko had destroyed years before the events of KnK. It is also mentioned that Touko's runes became weaker in general after that. Furthermore, replicating any primeval rune at all is a most impressive accomplishment. They are mysteries from the Age of Gods that shouldn't even exist in the hands of a modern magus; Touko's possession of 3 is a massive flex and a notable part of what validates her status as "one of the most powerful magi in the world". ...But I digress. Yes, Touko is exceptional; however, her runes after the loss of the 3 replicas are still normal runes.

Secondly, Bazett should never be used as an example of modern rune-based magecraft, or... anything related to modern magecraft, really. Her mysteries are potent but exclusive, preserved from the Age of Gods in the Fraga bloodline. They are powerful but not developed in the sense that modern magecraft is by necessity.

Now, moving on to the crux of the matter... Runes are one of the most stable, oldest, and easily available foundations in modern magecraft. Simply put, this means that there is a lot to study; versatility and adaptability come at a price (of putting in even more effort than other, more specialized foundations require). Tohsaka's explicitly specialize in energy transfer. Rin, even young and inexperienced, can reinforce objects, and even her body, selectively and precisely on the fly. Learning to fry people's hearts is not a great leap from there, if not exactly in character.

(...Random thought: we should be able to easily develop a magecraft-based version of basic Jūken, unless chakra flow works to counter magical energy similar to how magi can prevent any direct interference with their body via prana cycling. It'll be like returning to the family's roots - prior to meeting Zelretch, Tohsakas had specialized in esoteric martial arts, after all.)

On account of "only losing directly offensive Elemental Magecraft": with directly offensive elemental magecraft being limited to jewels, all other potential vectors of delivery are cut off, thus limiting combat use to basically single use bombs of lower yield than chakra techniques for the foreseeable future. There hasn't been much magecraft researching in this quest as is; I don't want to discourage it even more. Also, I think you greatly underestimate the amount of versatility we lose with that as well as the amount of versatility magecraft can allow for.
 
(...Random thought: we should be able to easily develop a magecraft-based version of basic Jūken, unless chakra flow works to counter magical energy similar to how magi can prevent any direct interference with their body via prana cycling. It'll be like returning to the family's roots - prior to meeting Zelretch, Tohsakas had specialized in esoteric martial arts, after all.)
IIRC in Fate route thats how Kotomine died. Azoth sword to the chest, then activated.
 
Closing the vote

[W] Plan: What do you mean we can't get servants?
wins

It tied with Chakra Boost here, but won easily on SB.



Might do another birthday Omake thing, this time for Rin. Belated, though.
Adhoc vote count started by AoMythology on Feb 4, 2020 at 2:47 AM, finished with 47 posts and 18 votes.

  • [X] Plan Chakra Boost
    -[X] (Mutation) The Strongest Spear
    -[X] (Sealing) Making/Enhancing Weapons (Uchiha specialty)
    -[X] (Sealing) Bijuu and Jinchuuriki
    -[X] (Questions for Karin)
    --[X] Use S+++ diplomacy for rapport with Karin
    --[X] Are you alright with me asking a few questions, even if they might be harsh or hurtful?
    --[X] Include a relatively unimportant question she'll lie about (e.g. due to embarassment) to get a baseline on whether she's a good liar.
    --[X] Have you ever encountered or been in communication with Orochimaru before today?
    --[X] Is it correct that you are from Kusa and hold absolutely no loyalty to them, nor to any single person in Kusa?
    --[X] Excluding us, are there any other groups or individuals that you are involved with, in contact with, or hold loyalty to?
    --[X] Do you have any shinobi training?
    --[X] What about infiltration training?
    --[X] Who taught you about the healing bite?
    --[X] Where did you want to go before we met you?
    --[X] Did you recognize or know about any of us before our meeting today?
    --[X] What are your intentions towards our village?
    --[X] Towards me and Naruto?
    --[X] Are you planning to betray our trust?
    --[X] Did someone 'help' you flee that might have arranged for you to meet either Orochimaru or us?
    --[X] Do you have seals, tattoos, or other notable marks aside from scars anywhere on your person?
    [X] Plan: What do you mean we can't get servants?
    -[X] (Sealing) Contracts / Space-Time
    -[X] (Sealing) Making/Enhancing Weapons (Uchiha specialty)
    -[X] (Mutation) Nothing
    -[X] (Questions for Karin)
    --[X] Use S+++ diplomacy for rapport with Karin
    --[X] Are you alright with me asking a few questions, even if they might be harsh or hurtful?
    --[X] Include a relatively unimportant question she'll lie about (e.g. due to embarassment) to get a baseline on whether she's a good liar.
    --[X] Have you ever seen Orochimaru before today?
    --[X] Is it correct that you are from Kusa and hold absolutely no loyalty to them, nor to any single person in Kusa?
    --[X] Is there any other group you work for?
    --[X] Do you have any shinobi training?
    --[X] What about infiltration training?
    --[X] (Assuming she lacks training) Who taught you about the healing bite, then?
    --[X] Where did you want to go before we met you?
    --[X] Did you recognize or know about any of us before today?
    --[X] What are your intentions towards our village?
    --[X] Towards me and Naruto?
    --[X] Are you planning to betray our trust?
    --[X] Did someone 'help' you flee that might have arranged for you to meet either Orochimaru or us?
    [X] Plan Preserving Strengths
    -[X] (Mutation) Nothing
    -[X] (Sealing) Making/Enhancing Weapons (Uchiha specialty)
    -[X] (Sealing) Bijuu and Jinchuuriki
    -[X] (Questions for Karin)
    --[X] Use S+++ diplomacy for rapport with Karin
    --[X] Are you alright with me asking a few questions, even if they might be harsh or hurtful?
    --[X] Include a relatively unimportant question she'll lie about (e.g. due to embarassment) to get a baseline on whether she's a good liar.
    --[X] Have you ever seen Orochimaru before today?
    --[X] Is it correct that you are from Kusa and hold absolutely no loyalty to them, nor to any single person in Kusa?
    --[X] Is there any other group you work for?
    --[X] Do you have any shinobi training?
    --[X] What about infiltration training?
    --[X] (Assuming she lacks training) Who taught you about the healing bite, then?
    --[X] Where did you want to go before we met you?
    --[X] Did you recognize or know about any of us before today?
    --[X] What are your intentions towards our village?
    --[X] Towards me and Naruto?
    --[X] Are you planning to betray our trust?
    --[X] Did someone 'help' you flee that might have arranged for you to meet either Orochimaru or us?
    [x] plan for the future
    -[X] (Sealing) Bijuu and Jinchuuriki
    -[x] (Mutation) The Strongest Shield
    -[X] (Sealing) Contracts / Space-Time
    [X] Plan Ferian
    - [X] (Sealing) Bijuu and Jinchuuriki
    - [X] (Sealing) Contracts / Space-Time
    -[X] (Mutation) Nothing
    -[X] (Questions for Karin)
    --[X] Use S+++ diplomacy for rapport with Karin
    --[X] Are you alright with me asking a few questions, even if they might be harsh or hurtful?
    --[X] Include a relatively unimportant question she'll lie about to get a baseline on whether she's a good liar.
    --[X] Have you ever encountered or been in communication with Orochimaru before today?
    --[X] Is it correct that you are from Kusa and hold absolutely no loyalty to them, nor to any single person in Kusa?
    --[X] Excluding us, are there any other groups or individuals that you are involved with, in contact with, or hold loyalty to?
    --[X] Do you have any shinobi training?
    --[X] What about infiltration training?
    --[X] Who taught you about the healing bite?
    --[X] Where did you want to go before we met you?
    --[X] Did you recognize or know about any of us before our meeting today?
    --[X] What are your intentions towards our village?
    --[X] Towards me and Naruto?
    --[X] Are you planning to betray our trust?
    --[X] Did someone 'help' you flee that might have arranged for you to meet either Orochimaru or us?
    --[X] Do you have seals, tattoos, or other notable marks aside from scars anywhere on your person?
 
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No questions for Karin from me.

[X] (Sealing) Bijuu and Jinchuuriki

+Your mother slipped you a handwritten scroll, by someone called Uzumaki Mito. The name 'Mito' is rather familiar
+Learn how to seal away Bijuu with your Four Elements Seal
+Your 'Four Elements Seal' will be more powerful, and you will be able to use it with fewer hand-seals
+Learn how to make a Jinchuuriki-suppressing tag
+For that matter, learn what a Jinchuuriki is and more about the Bijuu
+Will progress in Adamantine Attacking Chains slightly

[X] (Sealing) Cursed Seals (mainly countering them)
+Also known as Juuinjutsu
+Learn Evil Sealing Method
+Unlock the possibility for the Self-Cursing Seal (an immobilization Cursed Seal) and the Evil Unsealing Method
+Even Kakashi-san is ahead of you in this one; ever since Orochimaru became a missing-nin, Kakashi-san immersed himself in that field, and you haven't even touched it

[X] (Mutation) Nothing
+You are certain the other options will come at a cost
+???
 
No questions for Karin from me.

[X] (Sealing) Bijuu and Jinchuuriki

+Your mother slipped you a handwritten scroll, by someone called Uzumaki Mito. The name 'Mito' is rather familiar
+Learn how to seal away Bijuu with your Four Elements Seal
+Your 'Four Elements Seal' will be more powerful, and you will be able to use it with fewer hand-seals
+Learn how to make a Jinchuuriki-suppressing tag
+For that matter, learn what a Jinchuuriki is and more about the Bijuu
+Will progress in Adamantine Attacking Chains slightly

[X] (Sealing) Cursed Seals (mainly countering them)
+Also known as Juuinjutsu
+Learn Evil Sealing Method
+Unlock the possibility for the Self-Cursing Seal (an immobilization Cursed Seal) and the Evil Unsealing Method
+Even Kakashi-san is ahead of you in this one; ever since Orochimaru became a missing-nin, Kakashi-san immersed himself in that field, and you haven't even touched it

[X] (Mutation) Nothing
+You are certain the other options will come at a cost
+???

Uh, I've closed the vote already.

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Uh, I've closed the vote already.
 
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[x]Move around a bit, maybe kick something in frustration a few times
[x]Try to get away
[x]Boy
[x]Black?
[x]You couldn't make the name out

Can someone explain how you play this?
 
[x]Move around a bit, maybe kick something in frustration a few times
[x]Try to get away
[x]Boy
[x]Black?
[x]You couldn't make the name out

Can someone explain how you play this?

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