It did always surprise me that there was no Izanami technique when the other four were used. On the other hand, she's basically the Kami of Impurity, so I can get it as well.
Tohsaka as an Uchiha Quest (Naruto/FSN)
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Well, that would be a problem if Itachi was a One Trick Pony with the genjutsu, but even without it he still outclasses him in every aspect. And Danzo has not any defense that could resist either Amateratsu or Susanoo, the only thing that he has on his favour is Izanagi and that only gives him 5 minutes of playing with unlimited lives, once he runs out of Sharingan Itachi would annihilate him . He also has the Kotoamatsukami but despite how powerful it can only be used with one person a day, making it of a very limited use in a fight.
If the fight is Obito and Danzo together Itachi would have it very difficult to win, but against Danzo alone, Itachi would curb stomp Danzo even without actually trying too hard.
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DarkKing98
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Guys. Ya do remember we're talking about 12 year old Itachi, right? The dude with S Rank Intelligence, Genjutsu, and Dex/flex and A++ at best other stuff. He's certainly not the peek of his power or skill. I wouldn't be surprised if Danzo is superior in several aspects.
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Why arbitrarily remove the results of the vote we made, for no reason other than to raise difficulty? You are the quest author, you can choose whether or not Danzo has access to the ability and have it still make sense either way. Choosing to give Danzo the ability anyway is not very fun, since it invalidates any change that was made by our vote.
It's just baffling to me.
It's just baffling to me.
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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You say this. But how does this raise the difficulty? The Massacre is...changing. It happening? So what? The circumstances have now changed. Things are shifting. Itachi may no longer be the culprit. In fact, it may be Danzo. Which can set off a whole new chain of events.
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The results have hardly been removed, it's just that we were unlikely to ever stop the massacre in the first place. We probably have changed how many Uchiha/other people will die, who exactly will die or live, and how everything is going to go down, but the multitude of factors made it very difficult to ever fully stop.
First there is the Uchiha trying to cause a coup because of how relations between them and the village have soured, which would eventually prompt the Hokage to move in and take them down. Then you have Danzo and his manipulations disturbing any chance of creating peace. Finally there's Obito lurking in the background, causing everything to go to hell in the first place by releasing the Kyubi and then moving to wipe out the clan later.
It does feel a little odd to give Danzo the same ability as he had before with a nerf, but the explanations given of how he gained it and why he would have held off before now felt fine to me. We still got quite a benefit from it with the commands being resistible if we're extremely opposed to them.
I was really interested by Kaguya countering our time travel. I wonder how much power she can directly wield in the world and what sort of capabilities she has in regards to magic. I hope that it hasn't got Zetsu looking into us.
AoMythology
AoM, Destroyer of Worlds
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Closing the vote in ~18.5 hours.
AsuraKyoko
The Witch who was known as the Goddess of War
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[X]Tell her about what Shisui said
[X]Say yes
[X]The woman
[X]Say yes
[X]The woman
Summon a Big Brother (non-canon Omake)
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(Probably) very non-canon omake.
******
You remember a grail. A device of infinite wish-granting potential. It could turn reality on its head. It could break any law, natural or magical. Most importantly, it could undo history itself and bring back the dead.
A half-remembered echo tells you that history can not be changed. That doing so can not be allowed.
You ignore the thought.
You're ignoring a lot of things.
You ignore that the ninja world has no grail, the ritual you have planned will bring the grail to you.
You ignore that you have no catalyst, your eyes will be more then sufficient.
You ignore that it would take a miracle for this to ever work. Every half-remembered thought you've ever had about spellcraft said that this will work.
You begin the chant.
Let silver and steel be the essence.
Let stone and the archduke of contracts be the foundation
Let red the colour I pay tribute to
Let rise a wall against the wind that shall fall
Let the four cardinal gates close.
Let the three-forked road from the crown reaching unto the Kingdom rotate.
The ritual circle fails to react. It is reaching for a spirit that has no right to be summoned, using a ritual with no power behind it.
I hereby declare.
Your body shall serve under me.
My fate shall be your sword.
Submit to the beckoning of the Holy Grail
If you will submit to this will and this reason…Then answer!
Now time for the part of the ritual of your own creation. You know not where you are reaching, but you reach out with your magic all the same.
And with your answer the Holy Grail shall arrive.
From beyond the veil of space I call forth the sacred vessel
And from beyond the veil of time I call forth your spirit to fight for the Grail!
You find something at the core of your heart, and grab it with all your strength. And with that, the ritual circle explodes into light. You need to finish the summoning now!
An oath shall be sworn here!
I shall attain all virtues of all of Heaven.
I shall have dominion over all evils of all of Hell!
Yes! The magic is solidifying into something! Just a little more to go.
From the Seventh Heaven, attended to by three great words of power,
Come forth from the ring of restraints,
Protector of the Holy Balance!
With a dust explosion, a familiar man stands before you. All you manage to stutter out is, "Big brother?"
******
You remember a grail. A device of infinite wish-granting potential. It could turn reality on its head. It could break any law, natural or magical. Most importantly, it could undo history itself and bring back the dead.
A half-remembered echo tells you that history can not be changed. That doing so can not be allowed.
You ignore the thought.
You're ignoring a lot of things.
You ignore that the ninja world has no grail, the ritual you have planned will bring the grail to you.
You ignore that you have no catalyst, your eyes will be more then sufficient.
You ignore that it would take a miracle for this to ever work. Every half-remembered thought you've ever had about spellcraft said that this will work.
You begin the chant.
Let silver and steel be the essence.
Let stone and the archduke of contracts be the foundation
Let red the colour I pay tribute to
Let rise a wall against the wind that shall fall
Let the four cardinal gates close.
Let the three-forked road from the crown reaching unto the Kingdom rotate.
The ritual circle fails to react. It is reaching for a spirit that has no right to be summoned, using a ritual with no power behind it.
I hereby declare.
Your body shall serve under me.
My fate shall be your sword.
Submit to the beckoning of the Holy Grail
If you will submit to this will and this reason…Then answer!
Now time for the part of the ritual of your own creation. You know not where you are reaching, but you reach out with your magic all the same.
And with your answer the Holy Grail shall arrive.
From beyond the veil of space I call forth the sacred vessel
And from beyond the veil of time I call forth your spirit to fight for the Grail!
You find something at the core of your heart, and grab it with all your strength. And with that, the ritual circle explodes into light. You need to finish the summoning now!
An oath shall be sworn here!
I shall attain all virtues of all of Heaven.
I shall have dominion over all evils of all of Hell!
Yes! The magic is solidifying into something! Just a little more to go.
From the Seventh Heaven, attended to by three great words of power,
Come forth from the ring of restraints,
Protector of the Holy Balance!
With a dust explosion, a familiar man stands before you. All you manage to stutter out is, "Big brother?"
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AoMythology
AoM, Destroyer of Worlds
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Far from canon, true, but I like it.
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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[X]Tell her about what Shisui said
[X]Say yes
[X] The boy
[X]Say yes
[X] The boy
SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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BTW, I don't really understand how this isn't game, set, and match for Danzo.
Hiruzen now knows Danzo's secret. He can easily and blatantly prove Danzo has been egregiously breaking the law and wronging the Uchiha clan BIG TIME. All he has to do is order Danzo to remove the clothing on his upper body and submit it to detailed inspection by experts (to cheat any attempts at concealing the Sharingan implanted there), like Hyuuga and sealing experts, and he'll have Danzo dead to rights. At the very least, Hiruzen now knows beyond the shadow of a doubt that Danzo is doing egregiously illegal stuff that is not at all sanctioned (nor for the benefit of the village), even implicitly. He knows that Danzo murdered Shisui, making him a traitor. He can order him arrested on that alone. And Hiruzen, realizing that events were being manipulated towards a violent end, would probably take more proactive and bold measures to prevent violence. Like, say, going right to Fugaku and asking him to enter into negotiations in order to ease tensions between Konoha and the Uchiha clan and avoid any conflict. And there are a lot of concessions Hiruzen could make to placate the Uchiha, including amnesty, or making Fugaku his #2 (Danzo's position, fittingly enough). Yes, some would say that such a move would be reckless, making it even easier for Fugaku to conduct a coup (or just assassinate Hiruzen and take power), but such a huge show of trust/faith would probably be particularly moving, especially if Hiruzen moves to start grooming Fugaku to be his successor (he is a pretty ideal candidate, with his great skill, power, and Mangekyo).
I just think things would be far more interesting if the Massacre doesn't happen. It leaves so many more options open. Tobi might try to massacre the Uchiha himself, but between Fugaku and Itachi (among others), they could probably fight him off (Amaterasu seemed to be particularly effective at making even Tobi briefly freak out). While Tobi is so good that he can outclass almost anyone in a one-on-one fight eventually, he starts to have a hard time when being ganged up on by a large number of really good shinobi.
Furthermore, Rin really should have awakened her Sharingan by now. Losing your beloved older brother will absolutely do that. Yes, she's young, but there's definitely precedent for it. Even if it's just one tomoe, it should be there.
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Danzo still has bullshit mind-control eye, though.
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Which isn't infallible, and would Hiruzen truly be so stupid as to meet with Danzo alone when he already knows of the eyes, the experimental arm, and Orochimaru's involvement-- not to mention Shisui's murder/sacrifice? All it takes is one Hyuuga or even a sensor to recognize Chakra being used for a genjutsu and then Anbu would be throwing themselves at Danzo. What kind of order with the eye could Danzo feasibly give to rationalize his plans to destroy and defame a founding clan, murder an innocent and powerful Shinobi, work with known traitors, pervert multiple clan bloodlines, and also destroy any chances of peaceful reconciliation-- which also happens to be one of the Sandaime's core beliefs that I don't believe for a second would be surpassed by the weakened Koto Eyes implanted bullshit when it is so intrinsic to who Hiruzen is.
The only way Danzo gets out of this is if the author pulls some illogical or unreasonable bullshit solely for the purpose of making canon shit still happen. Like he's doing with Kagami's eyes in the first place.
Honestly, how could he be sentimental to Kagami to such an extent as to refuse the use of such an incredibly useful tool, but at the same time not sentimental enough to not murder his descendants and clan? Doesn't really make sense to me for such a coldly logical person who believes true shinobi eschew emotions.
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SaltyWaffles
I am dissapoint, son
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This, SO MUCH. Author, don't let us down.
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If this was the aim, it could easily have been achieved without giving Danzo Kotamatsukami. It's not that the massacre is going ahead, or that we failed to stop it, it's that one of the few changes we did make was mostly invalidated. Danzo could have gotten another bullshit powerup and we'd have been happy. He could have gotten something better than Kotoamatsukami and we'd have been happy (provided the reason made sense in story.) But giving him the exact same power we successfully stopped him from getting feels pretty lame.
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And why would this be relevant here?
Danzo is a traitor working behind the back of Sarutobi and disobeying direct orders, and now Sarutobi has the proof of all this. It doesn't matter how loyal he is to Konoha all that shit is still punishable with death.
Sarutobi can and should kill the fucker in the spot, because both the Uchiha and Danzo may be traitors, but whereas the Uchiha have a relatively decent reason, Danzo only reason to be a traitor is because he wants to control Konoha.
And I would like to discuss how loyal can be to Konoha if when Konaha needed him the most (during Pain attack), he and the foundation decided to hide like cowards, simply because he wanted as much devastation and death in Konoha as possible, because it would weaken Tsunade's position and put him in a a better position to become Hokage.
Danzo has told the lie that: "all I do I do it for the Leaf" that he actually believes it himself. But it is still a lie and all he has done it is because he wants to control it.
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DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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Hiruzen, as any intelligent Kage should be, is highly concerned about his reputation and appearance to Leaf in general. Currently? He can't touch Danzo. Yes, he knows a whole shit load of stuff he could execute him for. Doesn't matter though if he can't find actual evidence to allow him to act. Reflects badly on him.
Wait, you mean to tell me Danzo might actually be a hypocrite, putting him at thematic odds to Shisui and Itachi, whose integrity concerning matters of loyalty was their tragic downfall?
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An intelligent Kage would be concerned With his village reputation that is true.
But a Kage that would rather leave alone and incredibly powerful enemy, that control a powerful Black Ops organization, and that he know now that he has been conspiring againts him for years, instad of risking a slight stain in the Village reputation (and since Danzo official cause of death can always be due to illness or an accident, it would be a very small stain) he is in the too dumb to live cathegory.
AoMythology
AoM, Destroyer of Worlds
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Unfortunately, DarkKing98 is right.
Fortunately, Danzo will be fucked eventually. The Kotoamatsukami, unlike what he thinks, will only delay his doom slightly.
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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For all the cries of hypocrisy Danzo gets, he truly does care for Leaf. At least enough that if he was dying of illness he'd either remove the seal that activates upon his death that drags shit in and seals it into him off his body or would leave the area entirely.
Yeah, don't forget about that death seal. I'd have no doubt Hiruzen knows about it so he needs to be very, very carefull on how and where he kills Danzo in the first place.
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I'm just saying even if Sarutobi had the evidence he needed to execute his old friend, he might not for a very simple ninja-reason: Killing Danzo would weaken the leaf.
Danzo is a subordinate who is 100% loyal to the village before the office of the Hokage. He takes on missions that would be politically and morally impossible for the current Hokage to assign, even if they are necessary to the well-being of the Leaf, and does so in a way that gives the Hokage complete plausible deniability.
While the Hokage orders a peaceful resolution to the Uchiha crisis as Hokage, Danzo cuts off the head of the snake in a way that makes no one look bad. Hell, the organization is structured specifically so that it can take the fall if the members are ever called out.
Danzo is a subordinate who is 100% loyal to the village before the office of the Hokage. He takes on missions that would be politically and morally impossible for the current Hokage to assign, even if they are necessary to the well-being of the Leaf, and does so in a way that gives the Hokage complete plausible deniability.
While the Hokage orders a peaceful resolution to the Uchiha crisis as Hokage, Danzo cuts off the head of the snake in a way that makes no one look bad. Hell, the organization is structured specifically so that it can take the fall if the members are ever called out.