Like I noted in my first post, we have the warning now, after this it would be fair.
*Looks at the comments our ability to have reasonable privacy needed to practice magecraft* Probably.
Tohsaka as an Uchiha Quest (Naruto/FSN)
- Thread starter AoMythology
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*Looks at the comments our ability to have reasonable privacy needed to practice magecraft* Probably.
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On that note, now that the revelation of "There's the possibility of Teleportation in this Skill Tree" has happened I am all for finding opportunities to work on our True Magic skill. It's just that right now we're in something of a political bind until we gain access to private training grounds.
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It's her only critical skill because magic is the one skill Tohsaka cares about in character. All the other skills are secondary to Rin; she defines herself as a mage first and everything else second.
AoMythology
AoM, Destroyer of Worlds
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I actually thought most of you knew that True Magicians can teleport.
(Unless I am mistaken about the skill, but considering that going to alternate worlds is a kind of teleportation, I doubt that.)
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I actually thought most of you knew that True Magicians can teleport.
But Rin has never teleported in spite of being the best mage in Fate Stay night that still counts as human.
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-[](To Sandaime) A people with many ideals and ambitions who happen to be a mix of soldier spy and mercenary.
DarkKing98
Certified Village Idiot
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That's honestly pretty bad. Magecraft has neither the power or versatility of the Shinobi Arts. It may also shut her out of certain paths that she could access cuz of not considering herself a Shinobi.
We've seen how Teleport Spam works for Minato. But I honestly feel uncertain about it with this. Maybe because I've been wanting to make a fighting build similar to our brother's.I actually thought most of you knew that True Magicians can teleport.
AoMythology
AoM, Destroyer of Worlds
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You need to build up your Body Flicker and Speed stat anyway before you can use teleportation in combat.
Honestly I think the Hiatus killed the idea, because I remember trying to practice things and then the quest froze up.
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Why? We have several options he simply couldn't access, including true magic, magecraft, senjutsu, medical ninjutsu, all five nature transformations, and jutsu fusion. I'd be rather disppointed if we just copied Shisui instead of e.g. finding an exploit and milking it for all it's worth.
I know of two other Uchiha quests where the voters go for a speed build, but Rin has other, unique options where she could shine.
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@AoMythology I will make one final statement, we unlocked our circuits turn 11 we did study magecraft turn 12, and only time after to study was turn 14, I am confused as to why we can't study magecraft. Out of curisoity since in the el-melloi case files, it is confirmed that jewel craft is based on rune craft, would it be valid to assume rin has some rune knowledge?
Hm, I suppose the magecraft/magic practice we could try is adding meditation where we try to think about Tohsaka memories, and then later combine flicker practice with attempts at teleport, so people would think it was a development of our body flicker? Oh, and to other people, perhaps we should work on our substitution technique at some point.
@Patch I treat ninjutsu as the local magecraft equivalent so studying ninjutsu is studying magecraft. Finally the tohsaka family craft is jewel craft... do you think an 8 year old can both afford an justify buying jewels for experimentation? We don't have our family crest so we only have Rin's personal knowledge.
Don't actually disagree with magecraft style research, but we basically don't have any of her family notes. Although if we learn true magic I guess we might be able to access the knowledge of other Rin's?
Hm, I suppose the magecraft/magic practice we could try is adding meditation where we try to think about Tohsaka memories, and then later combine flicker practice with attempts at teleport, so people would think it was a development of our body flicker? Oh, and to other people, perhaps we should work on our substitution technique at some point.
@Patch I treat ninjutsu as the local magecraft equivalent so studying ninjutsu is studying magecraft. Finally the tohsaka family craft is jewel craft... do you think an 8 year old can both afford an justify buying jewels for experimentation? We don't have our family crest so we only have Rin's personal knowledge.
Don't actually disagree with magecraft style research, but we basically don't have any of her family notes. Although if we learn true magic I guess we might be able to access the knowledge of other Rin's?
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I actually thought most of you knew that True Magicians can teleport.
I personally have never seen a canon Nasu work that featured True Magic and have enough knowledge of Nasu that I know next to nothing about Nasu and should consult a very specific group of friends if I have any Nasu questions.
For instance, did you know that Curses = Blessings? And that they're the same base function so if you can use Curses to cause debuffs you can give people buffs?
I had absolutely no idea you could do that.
It would be an immense help if you provided an informational post about what Magecraft can do, what True Magic can do, and who Rin used to be and what she used to be able to do.
DarkKing98
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Magecraft is basically a worse Shinobi Arts. True Magic is an option, but also a dangerous one. As for finding an exploit and milking it for all it's worth, that's exactly what Shisui did with the Sharigan and Body Flicker.
Regardless though, Shisui's fighting style is something easily adaptable since it mostly focused on overwhelming speed. How he used it was in conjunction of Genjutsu. We could change the Genjutsu part to Taijutsu or Ninjutsu. Or maybe some kind of weapon. Point is however that I see our brother's fighting style as something we can take and then make our own. After all, no one else seems capable of doing what he did with the Body Flicker and had it not been for Danzo's asspulls our brother would probably have gone down in history as one of the strongest Shinobi to ever be born.
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Correction: Elemental magecraft is inferior to ninjutsu. Conceptual effects like the Gandr curse can offer options that can't be replicated with chakra, as our father once commented on in a semi-canon omake.
Which makes it somewhat incompatible with sage mode, where we'd need to stay still for several seconds.
And you don't think that applies to Rin? Without Shisui's Sharingan specialty is might not be possible for her to reach his level with the body flicker:
And why exactly that exploit, when we don't know whether we can fully use it? Wouldn't Hiruzen's jutsu mastery and fusion be an easier exploit for us to replicate, considering that Jiraiya thinks our Sharingan specialty might be technique theft?
Or we could make Omni-Science + Eye of the Mind the core of a reactive fighting style where we counter or preempt attacks and go for the enemy's weakpoints.
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DarkKing98
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Powerful Genjutsu can cause more esoteric effects. Also to my understanding Gandr takes time to actually take effect. Which may be useful for assassination missions. But not for other situations. Also we can't be certain how effective Conceptual stuff stuff is on Shinobi. I did say the Shinobi Arts rather than just Ninjutsu after all.
Assuming we all want Sage Mode. Also, Shadow Clones or some other kind of clones to distract the enemy while we gather Nature Chakra.
It admittedly won't be exactly like Shisui. Ours would rely more on our Abilities as a Sensor than on Movement Prediction like Shisui's does.
Oh we can use it. Not 100% identical to Shisui, but we can use it. Omni-Science is a key factor after all. Jutsu Fusion however will be a much more time consuming thing to do. Not to say we can't combine them, but Jutsu Fusion is clearly one of the most difficult avenues for us, next to Shape Mastery.
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Let's say that true magic is the end goal. And that magecraft is important to our character.
Can we come up with a strategy that involves practicing magecraft with the true magic goal mind? Maybe a strategy to mimic the effects of the crystal sword. What are the steps that we imagine will get there, and can we incorporate magecraft into those steps as a nod to Rin Tohsaka's biases?
I would not be surprised if none of the steps have a combat application, but it would still be good to do them because Rin would want to do them.
Also, the ability to delete memories or shoot disease Rin has would be super useful to a ninja, even if we don't have the budget to store up excess Prana/chakra in crystals. Hell, even basic strengthening magic wouldn't be half bad.
Can we come up with a strategy that involves practicing magecraft with the true magic goal mind? Maybe a strategy to mimic the effects of the crystal sword. What are the steps that we imagine will get there, and can we incorporate magecraft into those steps as a nod to Rin Tohsaka's biases?
I would not be surprised if none of the steps have a combat application, but it would still be good to do them because Rin would want to do them.
Also, the ability to delete memories or shoot disease Rin has would be super useful to a ninja, even if we don't have the budget to store up excess Prana/chakra in crystals. Hell, even basic strengthening magic wouldn't be half bad.
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Then I'll simply quote the following WoG:
Well, we haven't looked at the gem prices in Konoha yet. Additionally, the Uchiha clan will get "enormous" reparations of "well over two hundred million ryo per year, tax-free, for at least ten years", so maybe there will be a pay-out to each of the 40-50 clan members next year?
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[X] Plan Insightful Rin
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- Tarn-Vedra
[X] Plan Insightful Rin
AsuraKyoko
The Witch who was known as the Goddess of War
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- Brockton Bay
[X]Plan: Normal Magic Ninja
- I would say that for Hinata we should apologize; I'm sorry I wanted to see if I could and then silently activate our Sharingon
He's wrong by the way, her specialty as listed in the character sheet is time-space and dimensional-True magic
Sharingan special ability: Maho no Mangekyo (Magical Kaleidoscope)
(While her Sharingan is active, Time-Space and Dimensional True Magic/Magecraft/jutsu are boosted in power and efficiency Beyond Colossally-Sky-high, but the drawback is that Uzumaki and Senju heritage and grafts don't boost Izanagi and other such jutsu.)
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[X]Plan: Normal Magic Ninja
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[X] Plan Insightful Rin
Well, good quality gems may be hard to get in Konoha. Need Iwa to supply that luxury.
Still, we'd probably put more time into magic when things aren't constantly on fire.