Thor: Ragnarok
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If they're going to offering parts to athletes with no real acting good background, then how about a real athlete instead of a CrossFit Star.
Like Rhonda Rousey, Gina Carano, or Hope Solo.
Arthur Frayn
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Rhonda Rousey and Gina Carano both had supporting parts in the Fast films (Carano was fine, while Rousey was…not great), and Carano starred in Haywire (though IIRC she was dubbed).
Jace911
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well that sure is a mildly warm take, but I don't really know what to do with it
VolantRedX
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As someone who has seen tons of wrestling, not all of them can act.
Well, I was referring to Batista there; you're of course going to have a skill gradient. But your top tier talent is going to be able to transfer their skills pretty well
It's usually high school play bad rather than Shaq trying to carry a movie bad.
Reveen
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Wrestling and film acting aren't things that necessarily feed into each other anyway. One is bombast, audience interaction, and semi-improvisional theatrics. The other is line memorization, deliberate craft, and constant shoots, direction, reshoot, rinse repeat. It requires different skills. Sometimes even when the stars seemingly align it doesn't work. Like when you take former stage musical actor Hugh Jackman and try to get him to star in the movie adaptation of a stage musical.
It certainly helps if the specific role meshes with the performers, yknow, thing. Batista is a big tough guy. Drax the Destroyer is a big tough guy. So that works out pretty well.
It certainly helps if the specific role meshes with the performers, yknow, thing. Batista is a big tough guy. Drax the Destroyer is a big tough guy. So that works out pretty well.
VolantRedX
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The one skill pretty much every wrestler turned actor has that gets commented on is their ability to remember lines and run through a scene in one or two takes without missing a line. Beyond that it's mostly a matter of their own talent. Batista is actually surprisingly good and providing a nuanced performance. Cena however hasn't really shown the same talent.
Reveen
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Yeah, but the difference we're talking about here is one or two takes to make sure everyone knows their lines, and literally hundreds of takes so the director
Arthur Frayn
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Um, almost every director is deeply involved in the edit process. Editors might be wired differently than directors and directors might defer to their judgement on occasion, but they're involved at every step of the process.
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Omegahugger
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I saw the movie. Liked it overall. Some of the humor missed and dragged down the serious parts, but that's still better than the other Thor movies because there are scenes I remember to be dragged down.
That being said, I have one problem with it: You a movie named Thor. Based around Ragnarok. Where the villains are Hela and Fenris.
Let me repeat that: You have a movie named Thor. Based around Ragnarok. Where the villains are Hela and Fenris.
You are missing a very important someone here!
It's not like you had to make huge changes to the story. Just a little something to show you remember that the Jormungandr exists.
Like imagine if, during the climax with the big battle between Hela and Surtr, she resurrects a gigantic serpent from the ocean to try and match his side. Or if instead of riding a giant wolf, she rode into battle on a huge snake. It's not like Hela and Fenris really acted together at any point in the movie, so you could still have him run freely. Just... Something.
I'm almost at the point where I'd even accept a cat that was too heavy for Thor to lift, though that probably would have left me complaining anyways.
That being said, I have one problem with it: You a movie named Thor. Based around Ragnarok. Where the villains are Hela and Fenris.
Let me repeat that: You have a movie named Thor. Based around Ragnarok. Where the villains are Hela and Fenris.
You are missing a very important someone here!
It's not like you had to make huge changes to the story. Just a little something to show you remember that the Jormungandr exists.
Like imagine if, during the climax with the big battle between Hela and Surtr, she resurrects a gigantic serpent from the ocean to try and match his side. Or if instead of riding a giant wolf, she rode into battle on a huge snake. It's not like Hela and Fenris really acted together at any point in the movie, so you could still have him run freely. Just... Something.
I'm almost at the point where I'd even accept a cat that was too heavy for Thor to lift, though that probably would have left me complaining anyways.
Pandemonious Ivy
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I'd still give it a 7.5/10, but I found this video fairly insightful.
Violation of Rule 4: Don't Be Disruptive
The problem with this analysis is that it takes all the changes at face value. Waititi INVENTED this history to serve his narrative. This isn't Asgard looking to it's dark past, this is a director inventing a dark past so that when Asgard is destroyed he can moralize (and his self insert character actually does) about the righteousness of it's destruction and how the modern day Asgardians DESERVED to be destroyed for the perceived sins in their past.
I'll leave it at that, but suffice to say I was not a fan of the director, not just because he took the series in a much different direction than the last two directors, ditched the more Shakespearean delivery and dumbd the characters down to dude bros, but also because he butchered the backstory by overshadowing thousands of years of Asgard serving as the protector of the nine realms with a vaguely defined Colonial (than therefore evil) past.
The overall message of the movie came across that no amount of good works on Odin's part could ever atone for the "EVIL" of his colonial past and NOTHING short of the total destruction of Asgard, (down to the bedrock...and then basically nuking the bedrock just to make sure they couldn't rebuild) could ever make things right.
I'm almost surprised he didn't throw in an end-credit scene where we see how much better off the 9-realms are WITHOUT Asgard oppressing them.
EDIT: I also question this analysis since it's plainly obvious to apparently everyone but this guy that Loki stole the Tesseract.
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Pandemonious Ivy
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I've seen your previous rants about this exact thing, in fact I could go quote at least 5 posts where you've used the same rhetoric while ignoring all criticism and rebuttals against it. It's not relevant to the link I posted and you aren't contributing anything new to your own argument. So there's nothing really worth engaging with, knowing that you'll just keep repeating this while ignoring everything I could say about it. Just wanted to make sure you understand why I'm not about to have an actual back and forth with you about this. I'm sorry you didn't enjoy the video or the movie.
You don't have to. If you can enjoy it as a space movie....go for it, I just couldn't get past the character alterations and the forced politics.
I viewed Asgard as something to aspire to...but the director took this movie in a different direction and made it something to despise.
The video is a critique from a specific point of view, one where the narrator believes that the "People" are all that matters and that they can be violently cut off from their culture and their land....and still retain their identity. I happen to disagree with that perspective, so I commented on WHY I felt his analysis was lacking.
If you quite literally Destroy Valhalla.....where do the Honored Dead go when they die?
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Are you aware that there is no "real history of Asgard" because this is a story? Are you aware of the fact that everything in a story is made up?
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I can't possibly imagine why /s
Arthur Frayn
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Claudette Savagely
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Weirdly enough @Mark despises "forced politics" in films when films depict colonialism as bad, but is totally ok when films depict glittering realms full of golden warriors who are mostly white jacking off about how awesome they are Edit: and killing loads of Edit2: obviously irredeemably evil dudes to self-congratulatory narration.
That's not any sort of political position, obviously, and it definitely isn't forced.
No sir! Totally neutral!
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I'm not arguing that the MCU isn't an interpretation crafted from mythology, what I'm saying is that we had an established backstory for Asgard with established characters from the first two movies.... and then this director came along and rewrote it to fit what he wanted.
I preferred Thor and Loki to talk as they did in then previous movies..... not as if they had suddenly grown up in Southern California.
This version of Thor is less "Asgardian" and more Australian actor playing California surfer with lightning.
The Wise and powerful Alien Civilization that saved Norway from the Frost Giants and maintains the peace across the nine-realms WAS something to aspire to.... The Bloody Conquers who's implied but never detailed past sins require them to be utterly destroyed..... is decidedly NOT to be aspired to.
My dislike for the narrative stems from Waititi's use of Asgard as a surrogate for his own issues with the British. It was subtle, but still enough to ruin a movie I was really looking forward to.
Instead of Asgard being destroyed in a heroic effort to save the 9 realms from an external evil....Asgard itself is the evil for which it must be destroyed, to save the 9-realms FROM ASGARD.
EDIT: You probably want to combine those two posts to prevent multi-post rule violations
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Omegahugger
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I would actually argue that the Thor movies have about as much in common with Norse mythology as Frozen does with the Snow Queen. Which is to say not a whole lot.
... Okay, slightly more as they actually keep names from the source material, but still about that level.