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Thor: Ragnarok
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FYI, if Super Hitler, Invincible Space Nazi, showed up in Washington DC tomorrow, and declared that he was going to turn America into the Fourth Reich so they could go back to terrorizing and genociding the untermensch, I would bet you literally all the money that exists on Earth that the entire US military would not get up in his face, and fight him in a hopeless battle, and die doing so, forcing Super Hitler to rely on an army of undead SS veterans.
So no, the Asgardians aren't "retroactively the bad guys" simply because they're haunted by the sins of their past.
So no, the Asgardians aren't "retroactively the bad guys" simply because they're haunted by the sins of their past.
That's really not fair either; there's very much a shared positive culture in America that is very white and plenty of celebration about it. I don't see how that's under attack though unless you want to count the unveiling of TSwift as a reptilianprolly the fact that "white" people don't have a shared heritage based on, for example, abduction and forced homogenization like black people in America and "white culture" is largely a racist reaction to black civil rights and doesn't really exist outside of Klan/Nazi/Trump rallies
Now, if you wanna talk about Polish culture or Russian culture or Welsh culture or French or Italian or German or Dutch or Scottish or Finnish culture then hey, there's some stuff you can look up to if you've really got an itch to reconnect with your good European heritage. But if you go looking for "white culture" all you're gonna find is white hoods and burning crosses.
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It's not like the movie ends with Odin saying "Asgard isn't a place, it's a people", which inspires Thor to finally self-actualize as a hero and focus on saving the people of Asgard instead of the city/planet/whatever itself. Asgardians themselves are innocent and worthy of preserving, but the world built on Odin and Hela's conquests is literally rotten (oh hey isn't it funny how Odin's treasure vault is built on top of a massive tomb?) and needs to be destroyed, so that the people can start over without being burdened by the sins of the past.
Fuck, the movie even has Loki doing the exact same thing Odin did, what with putting on a comically terrible play that attempts to retroactively cast Loki as a hero worthy of songs and legends.
Jace911
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I mean she is kind of taking flak recently for Reputation and some unintended unfortunate racist undertones...
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No one has said in this thread that it's wrong for white people to have something to look up to and at this point you're unironically spouting the rationale for #ItsOkToBeWhite .
(which, for those of you following along at home, was an online twitter/meatspace leafleting campaign, created by /pol/ and the Daily Stormer i.e. actual Nazis, with the express aim of stirring shit by insinuating that white people across America and the world are culturally homogenous, totally united across the entirety of their history, and massively oppressed somehow)
The whole point there was to get people to go "white culture is bad" and radicalize the normies... which I'm kind of worried about. Not so much that it'll turn Joe Smith into a Nazi but make him distrust the left and the media even more. Don't play the troll's game.
Which is the most dumb of controversies. I mean come on, if anyone is allowed to take potshots at Kanye I think the snake qualifies.I mean she is kind of taking flak recently for Reputation and some unintended unfortunate racist undertones...
Regardless @Mark , what part of white culture are you not allowed to do these days? I'm honestly curious
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Man, why is it now that you care about continuity when Thor 2 established both that the Convergence happened 5,000 years ago and Asgardians could live just as long. There was an issue of time anyway.
I'd argue that in America there's quite a variety of lily white cultural activities (namely being legally white, not in terms of excluding non whites), from the more redneck camping to country music to NASCAR (94% white!).
Frankly a better question is probably what culture is in the first place.
Claudette Savagely
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Er
Who here badmouthed 'white culture'? We're not on Twitter the injunction "Don't play the troll's game" is like 5 weeks late and on the wrong website my dude.
prolly the fact that "white" people don't have a shared heritage based on, for example, abduction and forced homogenization like black people in America and "white culture" is largely a racist reaction to black civil rights and doesn't really exist outside of Klan/Nazi/Trump rallies
Now, if you wanna talk about Polish culture or Russian culture or Welsh culture or French or Italian or German or Dutch or Scottish or Finnish culture then hey, there's some stuff you can look up to if you've really got an itch to reconnect with your good European heritage. But if you go looking for "white culture" all you're gonna find is white hoods and burning crosses.
Never too late to avoid making bad tactical moves. Not that it'll help much in this super particular case but it's a good habit
Jace911
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*raises hand* it me
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I do find it ridiculous to think that the director was saying that western civilization needs to be burnt down entirely when the character played by the director himself delivered a speech about how the ruined Asgard could become a place of safety for refugees, even if it does end up a punchline.
serra2
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Except he didn't say the first thing.
Jace911
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ehhh, not really?
"The foundations are solid!"
*explosion*
"Oh wait nevermind."
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The entire first movie is about Asgard clashing with a disenfranchised rival kingdom that Odin conquered aeons ago who are trying to get back a) their kidnapped prince, b) an ancient relic of theirs that Asgard has stashed away in its treasury like the Elgin Marbles. The second movie opens with an ancient war between the two dominant god-cultures of the time, with the triumphant Asgard banishing the losers to suspended animation in another realm.
Did you actually watch either of those two movies?
tankdrop24
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Well I mean it's the thought that counts.
serra2
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FTFY, Everyone assumed that the Dark Elves were extinct.
Claudette Savagely
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Well you got a chuckle out of me so there's that.
Thor is actually a history of the West! It all makes sense now! You beat up the commie elves, lost generation the Ice Giants, and form your nation through good old imperialism. By Odin it was there all along we were just too blind to see it.
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This but Unironically
I have never been less ironic in the past few minutes at least.
Claudette Savagely
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I'm honestly not sure what the fuck is even going on anymore after someone decided that @Jace911 mocking the ahistorical and decidedly (even more actively and aggressively than usual) white supremacist conception of 'white culture' as conceived of by a small number of American fascists was somehow a bad tactical manoeuvre so I'm going to go have dinner