There Was An Idea: A Kevin Feige Quest

He does not warrant more set up than our big bad Thanos.
I have been trying to speak for more setup for him as well, but no one seems to want to speak about it.

But we are discussig Spider-Man, and he deserves a proper movie, not the mess that SONY made of him.
And there can't be more than one newspaper in New York? OTL Marvel didn't care, so why do we need to put effort into establishing the Bugle?
Because the Bugle is iconic in Spider-Man lore, and we have already established in the shows that there is no newsaper called the Bugle, or at least it has not been mentioned despite being a big newspaper according to the lore.

Establishing it now gives a great explanation and makes it all flow smoother.
Am I really? Spider-Man isn't the outstanding earner you are making him out to be and besides general audiences seem to not care that he is Marvel's top-dog. Not to mention that six years into the MCU there is no point in talking about name recognition anymore. There should already be an entire internet industry set up processing any piece of Marvel news for the enthusiasts, and everyone else can't distinguish between Z- and B to A-lister anyway.

So I really don't see why we need half a dozen cameos of his supporting cast.
Yes you are, the earning that Spide-Man made at the beginning wer because of comic book fans, who then pushed the character more and more into mainstream audiences, who now see what Spider-Man is and what he can be. However after the Spider-Man 2 movie by Sam Raimi all it has shown is lackluster interpretations of the character, and people still go because of the character itself.

Even now, in OTL, Spider-Man still has the greatest fans, the greatest recognition, and he most recognitable supporting cast than the Marvel Trinity. He is going to be our greatesthero if properly used.
You know since we have the rights to Spider-Man and his associated characters and we will at least be doing a trilogy that takes place when he's in high school (SM1-Freshman, SM2-Sophmore, Infinity War-Junior(?) and SM3-Senior) I think it would be cool for our third Spider-Man movie to be based off of Kraven's last hunt or The Death of Jean DeWolff if we wanted to go for a darker tone since Peter would be 18 at that time in the MCU.
Kraven I agree, but he should be the one villain that appears after Infinity Wars or Endgae (if we do them) since he is truly a dark and dangerous character, so he should appear when Peter has alreay established himself and serves as a growing up moment.
 
Yes you are, the earning that Spide-Man made at the beginning wer because of comic book fans, who then pushed the character more and more into mainstream audiences, who now see what Spider-Man is and what he can be. However after the Spider-Man 2 movie by Sam Raimi all it has shown is lackluster interpretations of the character, and people still go because of the character itself.

Even now, in OTL, Spider-Man still has the greatest fans, the greatest recognition, and he most recognitable supporting cast than the Marvel Trinity. He is going to be our greatesthero if properly used.
And none of that has made him an exceptionally strong earner by Marvel standard. You aren't doing a good job of convincing me here.
 
My main concern is making the world feel logical and whole, rather than shoehorning in all of the Spider-Man lore and side characters into New York suddenly during the first Spider-Man movie. Also, we can find ways for some of these characters to have interesting places in the MCU, whether in the movies or the shows, beyond their relationship to Spider-Man.

It's about improving the quality of the MCU as a whole, by making the transition as smooth as possible, to the point where people decades from now won't even suspect that we didn't have the rights to use Spider-Man characters to begin with.
 
And none of that has made him an exceptionally strong earner by Marvel standard. You aren't doing a good job of convincing me here.
Yes you are, the earning that Spide-Man made at the beginning wer because of comic book fans, who then pushed the character more and more into mainstream audiences, who now see what Spider-Man is and what he can be. However after the Spider-Man 2 movie by Sam Raimi all it has shown is lackluster interpretations of the character, and people still go because of the character itself.
This, lackluster interpretations of the character is what has prevented him to truly shine as he deserves. He is not being a big earner because he is not being used properly, he is notbeing given the proper treatment and storyline, his background, origins, phlosophy, personality is not being given the appropiate respect and care for the movies that could make him a truly big earner.
My main concern is making the world feel logical and whole, rather than shoehorning in all of the Spider-Man lore and side characters into New York suddenly during the first Spider-Man movie. Also, we can find ways for some of these characters to have interesting places in the MCU, whether in the movies or the shows, beyond their relationship to Spider-Man.

It's about improving the quality of the MCU as a whole, by making the transition as smooth as possible, to the point where people decades from now won't even suspect that we didn't have the rights to use Spider-Man characters to begin with.
I agree, after all the goal of the MCU has always been to make movies and TV shows which are all connected among themselves. Spider-man's characters can appear in different franhises, not only in the Spider-Man movies. hell, i wanted to suggest that first they appear in Daredevil as those are very connected thanks to ben urich, after we can have other characters just doing their own thing in other franchises.

I can easily see J. Jonah Jameson making appearances in press conferences or appearing in TV to discuss the latest Avengers fights.

Hobie Brown, the Prowler, couldn't he make an appearance or cameo in Jessica Jones at some point? or in Luke Cage?

Dr. Otto Octavis is one of the most brilliant minds in Marvel, despite him being a supervillina, we can easily make him appear in Secret Warriors at some point, give him an origin wither with S.H.I.E.L.D. or one of the rival organizations.

Kraven is a hunter from africa, now i'm not going to say that we need to shoehorn him into Black Panther, but having one mantion about some crazy hunter that always seems to be close to thecity wouldn't e out of the question.

There are many ways that his foes and charters can be shown and it would only enrch the MCU even more.
 
It's about improving the quality of the MCU as a whole rather than focusing solely on our profit margin, by making the transition as smooth as possible, to the point where people decades from now won't even suspect that we didn't have the rights to use Spider-Man characters to begin with.
Yes, and from where I am sitting it seems like Spider-Man gets preferential treatment on the ground of being really popular in the comics, when the majority of our film going audience either doesn't care about it or doesn't know. No other hero got multiple cameos in the tv series to introduce his supporting cast. That is for sure not going to feel natural when across all tv series audiences suddenly run into as many Spider-Man characters as possible.

I mean, I can get behind making the Bugle an easter egg (maybe Ben Ulrich has a job interview there), but do we really have to force in Osborn and Oscorp, Uncle Ben with Peter in tow, maybe more? That's too much.
 
Yes, and from where I am sitting it seems like Spider-Man gets preferential treatment on the ground of being really popular in the comics, when the majority of our film going audience either doesn't care about it or doesn't know. No other hero got multiple cameos in the tv series to introduce his supporting cast. That is for sure not going to feel natural when across all tv series audiences suddenly run into as many Spider-Man characters as possible.

I mean, I can get behind making the Bugle an easter egg (maybe Ben Ulrich has a job interview there), but do we really have to force in Osborn and Oscorp, Uncle Ben with Peter in tow, maybe more? That's too much.

My first point is that we should have Osborn and probably J. Jonah Jameson at least be referenced if we're going to use them, otherwise it would be odd as to why they suddenly appear out of nowhere.

My second point, to address "No other hero got multiple cameos in the tv series to introduce his supporting cast", is that we don't have to use them as supporting cast members to Spider-Man. We have the option to have characters that are usually Spider-Man villains have legitimate parts in other series as we see fit. Especially those that have relationships to other already established characters, for example if they are hired by Kingpin. The Spider-Man mythos could be what "webs" our movies and television shows together.
 
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Yes, and from where I am sitting it seems like Spider-Man gets preferential treatment on the ground of being really popular in the comics, when the majority of our film going audience either doesn't care about it or doesn't know. No other hero got multiple cameos in the tv series to introduce his supporting cast. That is for sure not going to feel natural when across all tv series audiences suddenly run into as many Spider-Man characters as possible.
We have tried to have more characters fro other franchises appear inother shows. We have done so in Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Secret Warriors has done it with the movie characters.

The thing is that Spider-man tends to have a rogue gallery that goes all over the place, with many of his foes having also faces different heroes at the same time.
I mean, I can get behind making the Bugle an easter egg (maybe Ben Ulrich has a job interview there), but do we really have to force in Osborn and Oscorp, Uncle Ben with Peter in tow, maybe more? That's too much.
Osborn and Oscorp are basically a Corporation and head of that corporation, which takes time to have been created, and if we want Green Goblin then yes we need to have them exist from a while to at least justify why they were never shown before.

Uncle Ben and Peter parker, of course they need to be established. If we are not doing an origin story then we need to at least show why this Spider-man is different than all other Spider-Mans before, adn for that we need to show the subtle differences at the beginning.

I mean, we want his phrase to be "With great Power come great Responsability" not "Your father lived by a philosophy, a principle really. he elieved that if you could do good things for other people you had a moral obligation to do those things. That's what's at stake here, not choice, responsability".

Dear God, what was SONY thinking with that?
 
I don't think Ben or Peter need to be established outside of a Spider-Man movie. It's not like they are public figures or anything. (Or if we bring Spider-Man into another movie to help out like what happened in Civil War)
 
Hmm. I guess, but I still think that if we ae not doing an origin story then we should at least show a Post-Credit scene where Peter is told of Uncle Ben's death.
 
Hmm. I guess, but I still think that if we ae not doing an origin story then we should at least show a Post-Credit scene where Peter is told of Uncle Ben's death.
I'm up for a complete downer of a post-credit scene. Make it as dramatic and as sad as possible. Cue the emotion dictating music. Make it a real tear jerker. The audience needs to feel what Peter does.
 
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We could have someone reading a copy of the Bugle with the headline Community Figure Ben Parker Gunned Down! and work from there?
 
We could have Oscrop running for mayor in the "background" of the third season of Daredevil / Luke Cage / Jessica Jones. (Not enough time to get it into the second season considering the hack and deal took place at the end of this year)

On a platform of security and defense, of course. From the rise of superheroes in general, to the events that occur in the shows, to what will happen in that same year... it would put his campaign right during the time of CA:WS which could tie into the Hydra reveal and possibly into Civil War.

With Hydra being revealed to the public, Oscorp's poll numbers rise exponentially and get him the win, and he later uses that influence to support the regulation of superheroes.

Oh and have Peter initially support the act because of Osborn and Tony. He could hero worship Tony, has respect for both Tony and Osborn as geniuses, and is convinced on the issue itself with how well Osborn argued for it.

This is of course building up to a cringe inducing scene in a future Spider-Man movie where Peter votes for Osborn's for his 2nd term as Mayor. (Still pre goblin)

Furthermore, setting up Osborn will make it easier to do a Thunderbolts movie.

And if Osborn is in politics we could have a "designated survivor" style Presidential succession in the snap where we end up with President Osborn.

Give Osborn success after success, raising him up, for his inevitable fall into becoming the Green Goblin. Where he will be out for revenge.
 
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So the consensus thus far seems to be to set up the Daily Bugle, maybe Oscorp, and stop there until the Spider-Man movie? Of course we will have plenty of opportunities to actually, you know, vote on how to handle it, and for the immediate future the best thing to do is focus on fixing our mistake with Glover and get the TV shows going, with maybe a general directive towards what sort of plot we want, just enough to get a little control, little enough to ensure the guy can work his ideas.
 
163. Planning Session: Marvel TV in 2014, Part 1
Gosh, so much time spent on movies each year. Sometimes you just want to melt into your couch and watch some good old fashioned American television. But who are you kidding, nothing can scratch that itch like a quality superhero show. If you want something done right, you do it yourself. 2013 was a pretty successful year in terms of Marvel's infant series. Secret Warriors, Invaders, Daredevil, Luke Cage, and Jessica Jones all brought viewers to the Disney Plus platform. You've shown the executives that there's money to be made on the small screen if they don't Sony things up and interfere with the creatives. You owe at least some of that realization to Game of Thrones.

Either way, you've got oodles of freedom and a hankering to use it on some miraculous stuff. There's money to be spent and great weirdness to be adapted. You should decide here and now if you want to develop a second season for any of the 2013 shows this year. Not doing it won't mean you're dropping them entirely, just that it's not happening right now (though letting any show sit too long will release its actors from their contracts and let them go tragically join new shows). Once you've decided on that you can determine if there'll be any new programs joining them. Five is already plenty, but you've never been a small thinker and there are so many characters worth doing.

Will You Develop a Second Season for These Programs?

[] [Warriors] Yes
[] [Warriors] No

[] [Invaders] Yes
[] [Invaders] No

[] [Daredevil] Yes
[] [Daredevil] No

[] [LukeCage] Yes
[] [LukeCage] No

[] [Jessica] Yes
[] [Jessica] No

How Many New Programs Will You Develop in This Year?

[] [Original] 0
[] [Original] 1
[] [Original] 2
[] [Original] 3
[] [Original] 4
[] [Original] 5
 
It's been a while, but I think our most critically acclaimed shows were Secret Warriors and Daredevil. All of them were good, but I think those two were the best.
 
[] Plan All the Good Things

[] [Warriors] Yes

[] [Invaders] Yes

[] [Daredevil] Yes

[] [LukeCage] Yes

[] [Jessica] Yes

[] [Original] 3

This is what I think Will give us the best success for the moment. We continue the momentum for our established series and add a couple more.

Iron Fist is a given, the Sub-Mariner Mini-series is the other one.
 
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Warriors, Luke cage, daredevil, Jessica all should get a season 2 and add 1 or 2 others such as blade or punisher.
There could be
[] Plan All the Good Things

[] [Warriors] Yes

[] [Invaders] Yes

[] [Daredevil] Yes

[] [LukeCage] Yes

[] [Jessica] Yes

[] [Original] 2

This is what I think Will give us the best success for the moment. We continue the momentum for our established series and add a couple more.

Iron Fist is a given, the Sub-Mariner Mini-series is the other one.
Yes iron fist should be introduce in Luke cage like Barry Allen in the arrow season 2 show.
 
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