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Another thought I had on Spider-Man and his future in phase 3.

Watching Civil War once more I can definitely see scenes where Spider-Man would start having doubts about the route that Tony is taking, specially the part where Tony has Wanda incarcerated. I think that scene would be the point where his doubts magnify to the point that he would defect to Captain America's side later in the movie.

I see that at that point we would have already established Spider-Man as a hero, one that while not as powerful as the rest, still is able to at least keep up and fight the good fight just like them. He would probably be seen as the next generation of hero that needs to be trained.

He would definitely see Tony Stark as his idol, and he still respects the hell out of him, but he also would have learnt the value of Power and Responsibility, and internalize it enough to apply it to his everyday life, both as a civilian and as a superhero. But it could be argued that what Tony is doing, is not assuming Responsibility, but passing it over to others so that they don't have to feel guilt over their actions, as now they are limited in their freedom to help people.

I want to see Spider-Man struggle in this decision, to consider both options, and eventually choose Captain America's side. not just because that's what he did in the comics, but because it is the actions that his character would most certainly take. His belief in accepting all the responsibility because of his power makes it unsuitable to the thought that he would allow the accords to limit his ability to help people.

Furthermore, this serves as a break from the Student-Mentor relationship that we might have established with Iron Man, and is also symbolic if we go the route of Spider-Man being the new face of the MCU breaking from his mentor's philosophy to establish his own.
 
So I just watched a video about why the Spectacular Spider-Man animated show ended. Apparently, Sony was losing a bunch of money in their movie division and sold the rights to make a Spider-Man television show to Disney and Marvel. However, the contract specified that they could not continue the Spectacular Spider-Man so the Ultimate show came about. Did that happen here? Did Disney buy the show rights long ago? If so, is it in the thread somewhere? If not, did the Spectacular Spider-Man continue?
 
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So I just watched a video about why the Spectacular Spider-Man animated show ended. Apparently, Sony was losing a bunch of money in their movie division and sold the rights to make a Spider-Man television show to Disney and Marvel. However, the contract specified that they could not continue the Spectacular Spider-Man so the Ultimate show came about. Did that happen here? Did Disney buy the show rights long ago? If so, is it in the thread somewhere? If not, did the Spectacular Spider-Man continue?
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I don't think it did. I mean in the update of the negotiations for Spider-Man it was mentioned that SONY still had some of the merchandise rights, which were supposed to have been given in the 2011 deal, so it is possible that the deal didn't go through, and Spectacular Spider-Man was still cancelled.
 
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166. Planning Session: Daredevil Season 2 Initial Discussion
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    • The Winning Vote said:
    [] Put Donald in charge of the Defenders. Splitting off those shows from the less connected ones will let them focus on crossovers and the overarching plot in New York.
    -[] You'll look for someone else to take point on Secret Warriors, Invaders, and other shows.
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    And with that you're off. You don't want to linger longer than is necessary when there's work to be done and stories to tell. Daredevil was one of your most successful series, and for good reason. The character is a great one, popular enough to have gotten his own movie - and a crappy spin-off you don't talk about - back in the dark times. There's a great villain too in Wilson Fisk, great enough that fans would probably be noticeable upset to not see more of him this season. It all depends on the story you and Donald want to tell. There's a need to set up the story of the Hand for the Defenders crossover, but that story doesn't necessarily need to be told. You could do an engrossing tale about Elektra and the Chaste, but you could also have Matt hunt down another street level villain, have a love affair with the Black Widow, or introduce another hero like Frank Castle (if you consider the Punisher to be a hero, which he really isn't). You'll decide all of that in the coming days, so it's a good idea to sit down and start throwing ideas around. Maybe something will come up you never thought of, either a new way of handling a storyline or a new storyline.

    This is a discussion update. There's no need to vote to make suggestions, just bring up your ideas for the show in-thread and I'll try to add them to the upcoming polls. You can suggest villains, story arcs, supporting characters, specific scenes, casting choices, crossovers, and anything else you might want to incorporate into this season.
     
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    • Honestly I think we can safely leave the majority of the details of the Defenders to him. I'd like to see his original ideas and maybe tweek them to better fit into the MCU as a whole.

    The Defenders have their niche and the entire reason we have him is so we can off load the work for this too him so we can manage the myriad other products until we have an overarching management team for each area except the movies which we take a direct interest in.

    Anyways I say give him free regin and tell him to go nuts with only the mandate that he starts setting up the Defenders and the Hand.
     
    I really liked the Daredevil vs Punisher. On another hand, it would be pretty nice to see Black Widow involved in some capacity, and it would serve to connect the movies and tv shows.
     
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    I personaly would like to see Elektra and the Punisher in this season, also my suggestion for the actress for Elektra is Tonia Sotiropoulou an actual Greek actress who's been in James Bond and Hercules both were small roles though.
     
    So, I'll be reposting my ideas for Daredevil here. Mostly what I have alredy discussed before.

    The second season of Daredevil in OTL, well, it's not that good. Not so much as to sink it, it's just a bit jarring to see such a great show get such a drastic decline in quality so quickly.

    I can point out where it started going downhill. The first episodes were actually pretty good, and it seemed at first that it would be an interesting piece exploring vigilantism, the consequences of it, and how Matt is just so close to ending like Frank in some ways, but then they had to shoehorn Elektra and the Hand sub-plot into it, and it all just flies off the handle. This single plot here derailed the entire season for me.

    We go from fighting Punisher, and focusing on the crime of New York to suddenly seeing Elektra and having to care about her, making her Matt's love of his life,just when he is starting to care about Karen (and dear God, the pairing is iconic in comics) so, during the entire season we have to see Matt professing to be in love with Elektra and then with Karen in the same episode, sometimes in the same scene! Not to mention the whole Hand thing, showing them suddenly being so involved and so dangerous when at first it seemed like the were being careful and methodical. Which just makes it so unbelievable at times that it just makes me think that they had to rush everything because they were so desperate to move for Defenders that they didn't care for the story at all.

    Not to mention, when you include the Kingpin into the story, then you have to accept the fact that he is going to steal the show. His scenes with Punisher where just gold, and his confrontation with Matt was terrifying. They showed his power, even when he was in prision.

    I've said it before, Punisher did not ake for a good villain, but he made for an incredibly effective antagonist, so I would keep him in the show, but remove Elektra from the season, and focus more on what it should have been about: Vigilantism, and the consequences of it.

    If we have to introduce Elektra, then we must have her take center stage, not just be an add on for the season, so we should have her and the Hand plot be in season 3, while Season two focuses on Daredevil facing two different enemies:

    Punisher and Typhoid Mary.

    This characters seem perfect for Season 2, in my opinion, they are both victims who snapped and now one is trying to dispense his own twisted form of justice upon the world, while the other just broke under the strain and went insane, creating different personas to handle everyday life. Punisher would cause him to question whether Vigilantism can ever be justified. And the best part, Mary, in the comics, owes her trauma to Daredevil in his beginning days, which would put even more pressure upon Matt as he starts questioning himself as if he's actually helping the city at all.

    As for cameos for the TV show, hmm, I'm thinking that we can start the introduction and interaction here, with perhaps meeting Luke Cage as he goes against Punisher.

    Furthermore, we could have a cameo of the Black Widow appearaing, since there is a precedent in the comic that she and Matt know each other.

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    I personaly would like to see Elektra and the Punisher in this season, also my suggestion for the actress for Elektra is Tonia Sotiropoulou an actual Greek actress who's been in James Bond and Hercules both were small roles though.
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    I think, as I have argued above, that having Elektra appear at this point is a bad idea. If we a re going to make justice to her arc then she needs to be the focus of the story, and for that, having hwer be in the third season, just before Defenders, would work better.
     
    I've said my bit about Power Pack so I know what my ideal is (the pitch I wrote).

    I feel like Daredevil should have one thematic through-line that it sticks to throughout the whole season. I think having Punisher and Electra introduced at the same time could confuse this so I am a fan of it being Punisher and Typhoid Mary with the Hand getting more actively involved.

    I don't know what to do for Luke Cage or Jessica Jones beyond just getting the ball rolling on the Hand stuff. If someone has a compelling story to tell with them I'd be glad to hear it.

    Iron Fist should focus on his time at Kun Lun and have his main conflict being an outsider in Kun Lun and how he left even though he couldn't (The bad guys are Kun Lun attempting to keep their secrecy). Iron Fist isn't saving them or the greatest but he is taking old traditional teachings and adapting them to a changing world as opposed to the overly rigid flawed society of Kun Lun.

    Secret Warriors would be neat to have She-Hulk and/or Namora join the cast. I think it could be fun to still keep AIM as the big bad just under MODOK now and the organization is more unstable than ever. Maybe throw in Grim Reaper and the Circus of Crime (for a Hawkeye crossover episode).

    Invaders should be the cold war years and the desperate measures the conflict drives SHIELD to.

    I don't have anymore ideas beyond that.
     
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    I think if we use Jennifer Walters in the shows it shouldn't be as She-Hulk, we should also bear in mind the timeline because I don't think she becomes She-Hulk until later this current year.
     
    One thing that we should also do in Daredevil is that we should make sure that this time the heroes who will become the Defenders are, if not acquainted, then at least aware of each other. We already had Foggy appear in Jessica Jones, so this time around we could have either Matt meet her, or her making a quick cameo.

    One idea I had been mulling is that if we introduce the Punisher we might actually get more mileage out of him than just having him appear in Daredevil. Season 2 had him at the end embrace the Punisher persona, just for him to seem to have given it up at the beginning of his own show, so this time we could have him embrace the persona, and then have him appear in some of the other shows as well.

    Can you imagine how it would be if Luke is doing his business of keeping his neighborhood safe, and then he has to face Punisher, stop him from killing someone, and then he dissapears again just to appear in Jessica Jones. I think it would be interesting if what makes our heroes meet each other at first is the threat of a madman bent on killing criminals. Sets the precedent for them to team up as well.

    One thing though, that I think we should do here is have Matt quit being Daredevil at the end, just like in Season 2. It was a neat idea, but it was terribly executioned, seeing as the impetus for it seemed to be Elektra's death. Here it ould be because while he has stopped Frank temporarily, he still is free to do his own thing, and while he stopped Typhoid Mary, it's still his fault for making her like this (if we go with the comics interpretation), is at this low point he would think that in the end he did more harm than good as a vigilante, and tries to stop. It would be in season 3 where he once more takes the mantle, and keeps it for good.

    I'm not married to the idea of him quitting though, that might be something that we want to explore later on, and put forward for after the Defenders series. Just bringing it up.
     
    I like the idea of putting Daredevil against Typhoid Mary and Punisher, although neither feels like they'd make a good Big Bad for the season.

    I mean, I fucking love the Shadow Archetype and Foil tropes, don't get me wrong. But Punisher and Mary both shine brighter in those roles. We can't put Daredevil against another fucking criminal empire, so maybe we try the Hand, but try not to fuck it up?
     
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    I don't know what to do for Luke Cage or Jessica Jones beyond just getting the ball rolling on the Hand stuff. If someone has a compelling story to tell with them I'd be glad to hear it.
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    Luke Cage season 2 could be reinterpreted, but instead of introducing Bushmaster (who could carry an entre season by himself, Dear God that man is awesome!!!) we can introduce Stryker this time. While Cornell seemed like a villain that could truly command Luke's attention, Mariah seems like she works better as a secondary villain.
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    Iron Fist should focus on his time at Kun Lun and have his main conflict being an outsider in Kun Lun and how he left even though he couldn't (The bad guys are Kun Lun attempting to keep their secrecy). Iron Fist isn't saving them or the greatest but he is taking old traditional teachings and adapting them to a changing world as opposed to the overly rigid flawed society of Kun Lun.
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    I feel that while that could be a reveal for later, but we should use Season 1 of Telamon's pitch for the Iron Fist series, but we should have some changes there, like the flashback scenes should add parts of young Danny battling the elements and surviving until he reaches the gate to K'un L'un (we could have it show that the masters only watched and didn't aid him).
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    I don't have anymore ideas beyond that.
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    Well, I have some that might work.

    One of the roles that we might give to the Chaste in the series (if we still plan on using them) is on them giving exposition and trying to once more convince Matt that he is needed in order to fight the Hand. In season 1 we had him dismiss the idea as he stopped believing what Stick was saying and expelled him from his city. Here we could have more members of the Chaste appear and try to appeal to Matt, explaining what the Hand is, what the Chaste is supposed to be, and teasing their origins in K'un L'un for the future Iron Fist series.

    Also in the last season we teased a possible relationship between Matt Murdock and Angela Del Toro, so we could either explore that relationship, or we can try and see if we can recreate the Matt Murdock/Karen Page romance from the comics and the OTL series.

    One thing though, do you think we should include the Kingpin in some capacity, at least to show how he is regaining his power from jail in order to showcase how his greatest ability was always his willpower. But if we do that then I think that we could have season three focus on Matt and Elektra, dealing with the Hand, and then at the end of the Season we see that the Kingpin has been set free, leaving the stage set for Season 4 of Daredevil where we use the idea of OTL Season 3.

    We could even have Kingpin appear in the Defenders, as either an antagonist, or as an ally of convenience in order to take down the hand.

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    I like the idea of putting Daredevil against Typhoid Mary and Punisher, although neither feels like they'd make a good Big Bad for the season.

    I mean, I fucking love the Shadow Archetype and Foil tropes, don't get me wrong. But Punisher and Mary both shine brighter in those roles. We can't put Daredevil against another fucking criminal empire, so maybe we try the Hand, but try not to fuck it up?
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    The villain here would be Daredevil himself, as he fights against his beliefs (that he is helping the city as a vigilante, that he is doing the right thing) all the while he fights against both Punisher and Typhoid Mary.

    Although, your idea of including the Hand might work here, if we show them slowly trying to take over using different patsies which daredevil must fight against while he faces both of them, and having the Chaste appear and try to explain to matt about the danger of the Hand.

    What do you think?
     
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    overmind said:
    One thing that we should also do in Daredevil is that we should make sure that this time the heroes who will become the Defenders are, if not acquainted, then at least aware of each other. We already had Foggy appear in Jessica Jones, so this time around we could have either Matt meet her, or her making a quick cameo.

    One idea I had been mulling is that if we introduce the Punisher we might actually get more mileage out of him than just having him appear in Daredevil. Season 2 had him at the end embrace the Punisher persona, just for him to seem to have given it up at the beginning of his own show, so this time we could have him embrace the persona, and then have him appear in some of the other shows as well.

    Can you imagine how it would be if Luke is doing his business of keeping his neighborhood safe, and then he has to face Punisher, stop him from killing someone, and then he dissapears again just to appear in Jessica Jones. I think it would be interesting if what makes our heroes meet each other at first is the threat of a madman bent on killing criminals. Sets the precedent for them to team up as well.

    One thing though, that I think we should do here is have Matt quit being Daredevil at the end, just like in Season 2. It was a neat idea, but it was terribly executioned, seeing as the impetus for it seemed to be Elektra's death. Here it ould be because while he has stopped Frank temporarily, he still is free to do his own thing, and while he stopped Typhoid Mary, it's still his fault for making her like this (if we go with the comics interpretation), is at this low point he would think that in the end he did more harm than good as a vigilante, and tries to stop. It would be in season 3 where he once more takes the mantle, and keeps it for good.

    I'm not married to the idea of him quitting though, that might be something that we want to explore later on, and put forward for after the Defenders series. Just bringing it up.
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    I like everything about that except for the idea of him quitting. As a viewer that would just end up coming across as contrived since I know he's coming back.
     
    For the Defenders season 1, we need all four of our heroes to have an encounter with The Hand in their own shows, therefore gainning them personal enemies from The Five Fingers who would be "The Heavy" to each of the four Defenders, with the leader needing everyone to work together to defeat.

    What do you say to that, guys? Do you like the idea? I'm asking because I really like overmind's idea and I'm afraid to change it or try something of my own.
     
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    Luke Cage season 2 could be reinterpreted, but instead of introducing Bushmaster (who could carry an entre season by himself, Dear God that man is awesome!!!) we can introduce Stryker this time. While Cornell seemed like a villain that could truly command Luke's attention, Mariah seems like she works better as a secondary villain.
    I feel that while that could be a reveal for later, but we should use Season 1 of Telamon's pitch for the Iron Fist series, but we should have some changes there, like the flashback scenes should add parts of young Danny battling the elements and surviving until he reaches the gate to K'un L'un (we could have it show that the masters only watched and didn't aid him).
    Well, I have some that might work.

    One of the roles that we might give to the Chaste in the series (if we still plan on using them) is on them giving exposition and trying to once more convince Matt that he is needed in order to fight the Hand. In season 1 we had him dismiss the idea as he stopped believing what Stick was saying and expelled him from his city. Here we could have more members of the Chaste appear and try to appeal to Matt, explaining what the Hand is, what the Chaste is supposed to be, and teasing their origins in K'un L'un for the future Iron Fist series.

    Also in the last season we teased a possible relationship between Matt Murdock and Angela Del Toro, so we could either explore that relationship, or we can try and see if we can recreate the Matt Murdock/Karen Page romance from the comics and the OTL series.

    One thing though, do you think we should include the Kingpin in some capacity, at least to show how he is regaining his power from jail in order to showcase how his greatest ability was always his willpower. But if we do that then I think that we could have season three focus on Matt and Elektra, dealing with the Hand, and then at the end of the Season we see that the Kingpin has been set free, leaving the stage set for Season 4 of Daredevil where we use the idea of OTL Season 3.

    We could even have Kingpin appear in the Defenders, as either an antagonist, or as an ally of convenience in order to take down the hand.


    The villain here would be Daredevil himself, as he fights against his beliefs (that he is helping the city as a vigilante, that he is doing the right thing) all the while he fights against both Punisher and Typhoid Mary.

    Although, your idea of including the Hand might work here, if we show them slowly trying to take over using different patsies which daredevil must fight against while he faces both of them, and having the Chaste appear and try to explain to matt about the danger of the Hand.

    What do you think?
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    I don't know if we want to tie the Hand to Kun Lun.

    I do like the kingpin leaving prison in season three (I'd rather not have him show up in Defenders) and you are very passionate about Luke Cage so I'll trust that you've got something.

    I do have two big problems though. Firstly we still have absolutely nothing planned for Jessica Jones at all. Secondly while your ideas for Daredevil could work it's still a little too nebulous for me as it doesn't really have a turning point in the arc. What would the proposed climax of this season even be and how would it tie into the seasons main threats (Punisher and Typhoid Mary)?

    I feel like the final climax could be him being confronted by an agent of the Hand or the Chaste about how everything he does on his own is meaningless since he is on his own and won't truly step too far outside the law. The climax is the Hand setting up three incidents at three locations by manipulating Frank and Mary into doing something while the Hand does its own scheme. Matt fails to stop all three things and the Chaste realizes that Matt won't do what they want them to. The season ends with Matt realizing he needs a team while the Chaste go off to enact their own plan against the Hand.
     
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    I don't know if we want to tie the Hand to Kun Lun.
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    They already are. In OTL Defenders it was explained how they were actually one parrt of K'un L'un. Of course, we are doing a more canonical Hand now so perhaps that can change, but still, the Chaste can be an organization created and used by the masters of K'un L'un in order to make sure the Hand never releases the demon.
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    I do like the kingpin leaving prison in season three (I'd rather not have him show up in Defenders) and you are very passionate about Luke Cage so I'll trust that you've got something.
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    Well, Season 2 of Luke Cage was amazing, Bushmaster alone makes it worth watching. Only thing I'd change would be making Mariah Dillard the main villain, whic is why I want to have Stryker appear here, as he tries to destroy everything that Luke Cage has built, all the while we can have their father appear as he did in OTL season 2.
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    I do have two big problems though. Firstly we still have absolutely nothing planned for Jessica Jones at all.
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    Yeah, that is quite a pickle indeed. main problem i see here is that Season 2 of jessica Jones had her go against the very organization that gave Luke Cage his powers and also her mother, who had the same abilities as her. The show suffered from what OTL Daredevil Season 2 did, they did not have a main villain.

    So, what we can do here is that the very organization that is creating these "Enhanced" people are actually a part of the Hand, who are trying to form their own army of superbeings to fight the army of the Seven Cities. We can tease that bit in the series as a dprelude to iron Fist.
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    Secondly while your ideas for Daredevil could work it's still a little too nebulous for me as it doesn't really have a turning point in the arc. What would the proposed climax of this season even be and how would it tie into the seasons main threats (Punisher and Typhoid Mary)?

    I feel like the final climax could be him being confronted by an agent of the Hand or the Chaste about how everything he does on his own is meaningless since he is on his own and won't truly step too far outside the law. The climax is the Hand setting up three incidents at three locations by manipulating Frank and Mary into doing something while the Hand does its own scheme. Matt fails to stop all three things and the Chaste realizes that Matt won't do what they want them to. The season ends with Matt realizing he needs a team while the Chaste go off to enact their own plan against the Hand.
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    I like everything about that except for the idea of him quitting. As a viewer that would just end up coming across as contrived since I know he's coming back.
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    Okay, the idea of quitting can be scrapped, and King crimson I like what you did, but i think that one of the things we can do here is instead of Daredevil failing, he manages to stop one, leaving the other incidents to happen. This nearly breaks him as the hand shows him the futility of facing them, and he starts thinking that he can't do anything against them. He starts thinking that perhaps Stick was right, that his methods are the only way to stop the hand, but then he hears how the other incidents were stopped. He inmediately searches for more information, and finds that they were stopped by his future teammates: Luke Cage and Jessica Jones (they did not know it was the Hand).

    What do you think? Could it work?
     
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    They already are. In OTL Defenders it was explained how they were actually one parrt of K'un L'un. Of course, we are doing a more canonical Hand now so perhaps that can change, but still, the Chaste can be an organization created and used by the masters of K'un L'un in order to make sure the Hand never releases the demon.
    Well, Season 2 of Luke Cage was amazing, Bushmaster alone makes it worth watching. Only thing I'd change would be making Mariah Dillard the main villain, whic is why I want to have Stryker appear here, as he tries to destroy everything that Luke Cage has built, all the while we can have their father appear as he did in OTL season 2.

    Yeah, that is quite a pickle indeed. main problem i see here is that Season 2 of jessica Jones had her go against the very organization that gave Luke Cage his powers and also her mother, who had the same abilities as her. The show suffered from what OTL Daredevil Season 2 did, they did not have a main villain.

    So, what we can do here is that the very organization that is creating these "Enhanced" people are actually a part of the Hand, who are trying to form their own army of superbeings to fight the army of the Seven Cities. We can tease that bit in the series as a dprelude to iron Fist.


    Okay, the idea of quitting can be scrapped, and King crimson I like what you did, but i think that one of the things we can do here is instead of Daredevil failing, he manages to stop one, leaving the other incidents to happen. This nearly breaks him as the hand shows him the futility of facing them, and he starts thinking that he can't do anything against them. He starts thinking that perhaps Stick was right, that his methods are the only way to stop the hand, but then he hears how the other incidents were stopped. He inmediately searches for more information, and finds that they were stopped by his future teammates: Luke Cage and Jessica Jones (they did not know it was the Hand).

    What do you think? Could it work?
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    Loving that! Would we see the incidents from the other shows perspective or would it just be something that happened off-screen?
     
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    Loving that! Would we see the incidents from the other shows perspective or would it just be something that happened off-screen?
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    I was thinking that we could make quick cameos of them at the end of Daredevil, but then at the beginning of Luke Cage we start with the scene of him stopping the incident, and we can then have him be visited by Daredevil at some point in his series.

    For Jessica Jones, she would be visited by Luke , but we would not show her stopping the incident (although we could show a recording that someone took of her) as she seems more like the kind of person that would not give it any special attention.
     
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    King crimson I like what you did, but i think that one of the things we can do here is instead of Daredevil failing, he manages to stop one, leaving the other incidents to happen. This nearly breaks him as the hand shows him the futility of facing them, and he starts thinking that he can't do anything against them. He starts thinking that perhaps Stick was right, that his methods are the only way to stop the hand, but then he hears how the other incidents were stopped. He inmediately searches for more information, and finds that they were stopped by his future teammates: Luke Cage and Jessica Jones (they did not know it was the Hand).

    What do you think? Could it work?
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    Grammar didn't come over right in what I was saying. When I wrote "He fails to stop all three things" I meant that he couldn't succeed in preventing one goal (most likely the Hand's main one) from succeeding not that he didn't succeed at any of them. I can see where the confusion came from and I agree that Daredevil should successful stop at least one.

    I don't know if I want his future teammates to stop the incidents in this climax. I'd rather have them prevent some other Hand objective and Daredevil recruits them off of that.

    Other than that I think it is good and could work.
     
    King crimson said:
    Grammar didn't come over right in what I was saying. When I wrote "He fails to stop all three things" I meant that he couldn't succeed in preventing one goal (most likely the Hand's main one) from succeeding not that he didn't succeed at any of them. I can see where the confusion came from and I agree that Daredevil should successful stop at least one.

    I don't know if I want his future teammates to stop the incidents in this climax. I'd rather have them prevent some other Hand objective and Daredevil recruits them off of that.

    Other than that I think it is good and could work.
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    That makes more sense, and yeah I agree with you here. I'd add the part about matt perhaps thinking of fully joining the Chaste in order to stop the Hand, until he finds out about how other heroes (Luke and Jessica) stopped other objectives of the hand, and from there thinking that perhaps together they can stop them.

    One thing though, I feel that Jessica Jones should be the one that wants nothing to do with this, since she is the more cynical and the one that doesn't want to be a hero for the longest time (perhaps she starts mellowing out by the end of season 2 or 3) but the point is to have them know each other, but not fully form yet.

    Mostly because I still want them to be recruited by Dr. Strange.
     
    Perhaps The Hood could be introduced in season 2 of Jessica Jones, if we have an organization of people enhancing others, perhaps The Hood could be one of the people that was enhanced with some sort of stealth related power and either broke free of their control or was 'let go' to cause havoc as a solo operative/nuisance to the heroes.

    Then later (few years from now) we could show him being inspired by the Defender's coming together as he starts to track down some of the people that were enhanced by the Hand or acquired power in other ways to form his own super-criminal organization in the wake of The Hand's destruction. Which could then turn into the place where street level villains collaborate or don't depending on what events occur, their conflicting personalities, motivations, and any moral differences. Obviously some aspects of the organization would be that some members don't get along, some leave and do things on their own, the organization could be relatively loose (just hanging out and commiserating) to strong (actively working together) but I think we can avoid some bad melodrama with the following idea for a season structure:

    Maybe for a possible Hood show the first season could have the street-level villains coming together to pull off one big job, and each episode follows one of the members: their background, establish their personality and position in the organization/relations to other member, showing off them setting up and then executing their job. We should perhaps split it so we get 2 episodes per Character, with the 1st being to establish them and their position in the organization (how they got into super-crime, how they found the organization, and their relationship to the other members), while the 2nd is related to the their role in the big job itself. Perhaps we could have a mid-season 'finale' where after the organization truly comes together they discovers the opportunity for the big job (perhaps they were hired to steal a movie macguffin) and then we go into the execution portion, with the finale showing how the public/heroes viewed the events and the impact of the organization's success.

    Kind of like Arrested Development season 4. Give each character an episode to really shine, and also have a few episodes sprinkled in the beginning/middle/end that have a more overall perspective of events.
     
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    Perhaps The Hood could be introduced in season 2 of Jessica Jones, if we have an organization of people enhancing others, perhaps The Hood could be one of the people that was enhanced with some sort of stealth related power and either broke free of their control or was 'let go' to cause havoc as a solo operative/nuisance to the heroes.
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    Breaking free sees like the most plausible idea here. As his abilitites would take by surprise everyone at first, which would give him the window needed in order to escape.
    Nystical said:
    Then later (few years from now) we could show him being inspired by the Defender's coming together as he starts to track down some of the people that were enhanced by the Hand or acquired power in other ways to form his own super-criminal organization in the wake of The Hand's destruction. Which could then turn into the place where street level villains collaborate or don't depending on what events occur, their conflicting personalities, motivations, and any moral differences. Obviously some aspects of the organization would be that some members don't get along, some leave and do things on their own, the organization could be relatively loose (just hanging out and commiserating) to strong (actively working together) but I think we can avoid some bad melodrama with the following idea for a season structure:

    Maybe for The Hood show the first season could have the street-level villains coming together to pull off one big job, and each episode follows one of the members: their background, establish their personality and position in the organization/relations to other member, showing off them setting up and then executing their job. We should perhaps split it so we get 2 episodes per Character, with the 1st being to establish them and their position in the organization (how they got into super-crime, how they found the organization, and their relationship to the other members), while the 2nd is related to the their role in the big job itself. Perhaps we could have a mid-season 'finale' where after the organization truly comes together they discovers the opportunity for the big job (perhaps they were hired to steal a movie macguffin) and then we go into the execution portion, with the finale showing how the public/heroes viewed the events and the impact of the organization's success.

    Kind of like Arrested Development season 4. Give each character an episode to really shine, and also have a few episodes sprinkled in the beginning/middle/end that have a more overall perspective of events.
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    This here is where it gets a bit out there. I mean, establishing the Hood as an antagonist seems like a fine idea, making an entire series about him and an organization seems like ti would not work. Despite all that we have accomplished, I don't think Disney is going to allow us to make a series that shows villains as protagonists, and actually shows them getting away with it (Because they are going to have to do so if the show wants to last more than one season).

    The Hood strikes me more as the kind of antagonist that always comes back, the one that hides in the shadows, and when you find about him he is already gone. This kind of villain can work, but not for long or people will get tired of him.

    So, perhaps he can become a villain when we start making the Heroes for Hire series.
     
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