The idea is that the comics are only canon to the MCU, and don't interfere with any other timelines. They'd be a series of one shots detailing minor adventures from some of the characters, maybe a couple of two parts at max. The fans get to see how some of the other characters would slot into the MCU if we had the rights to them, and that leads to fan petitions raising public demand for us to get the rights to have those characters in the MCU, whether that's through us getting the rights back wholesale, or enough pressure being placed on the other companies to share rights with us for a few movies.
I understand the idea, but it is a stupid one. We are basically confirming these characters are in the universe regardless of whether or not we ever get to introduce them in the movies, just opening the can of worms of "where were they when Thanos attacked" and no, fighting an evil fox demon does not count. Worse, we allow comic book writers and comic book artists to introduce them, establishing character traits and outfits looong before we ever make movies with them. Not to mention that if we want to treat them as canon we have to actually take them into account. They will be in the same limbo the tv series were in OTL.
Besides, I doubt Sony gives a flying fuck about fan petitions. At least it's not offering stock options...
I understand the idea, but it is a stupid one. We are basically confirming these characters are in the universe regardless of whether or not we ever get to introduce them in the movies, just opening the can of worms of "where were they when Thanos attacked" and no, fighting an evil fox demon does not count. Worse, we allow comic book writers and comic book artists to introduce them, establishing character traits and outfits looong before we ever make movies with them. Not to mention that if we want to treat them as canon we have to actually take them into account. They will be in the same limbo the tv series were in OTL.
Besides, I doubt Sony gives a flying fuck about fan petitions. At least it's not offering stock options...
I mean, it's not like costume revisions don't happen. As for "where were they when Thanos attacked," that can be explained as them doing S+R or dealing with other disasters. It's entirely plausible that one villain would try to take advantage of Thanos showing up to advance their own agenda. I think it'd be easier to work them in than you're implying, but I won't deny that it'd be tricky to get right.
As for fan petitions, Sony the company might not care up until the shareholders say "Why the hell aren't you making a deal to get us some of the absolutely gigantic pile of money that is the MCU?" A fan petition is one of the few ways to actually put pressure on the companies by showing their shareholders how much demand there is for the product, which is "an MCU canon version of the characters you have the rights to."
I mean, it's not like costume revisions don't happen. As for "where were they when Thanos attacked," that can be explained as them doing S+R or dealing with other disasters. It's entirely plausible that one villain would try to take advantage of Thanos showing up to advance their own agenda. I think it'd be easier to work them in than you're implying, but I won't deny that it'd be tricky to get right.
As for fan petitions, Sony the company might not care up until the shareholders say "Why the hell aren't you making a deal to get us some of the absolutely gigantic pile of money that is the MCU?" A fan petition is one of the few ways to actually put pressure on the companies by showing their shareholders how much demand there is for the product, which is "an MCU canon version of the characters you have the rights to."
As far as I see it we are more or less damning those comic book runs to the fate of AoS which is canon limbo. Some consider them canon, a lot others don't. Or we will outright contradict them, because why would we let comic book writers dictate personality, origin, supporting cast and adventures.
At least there are less people reading comics than watching tv.
Regarding the fan petitions, I don't believe the shareholders will be quaking in their boots because a few thousand comic book readers are signing them. Besides, the leading plan isn't going for shared rights, but buying them outright.
Since we are presenting our plans to Bob Iger, I assume that he would tell us if something is unfeseable or a bad idea.
However, if you feel that adding the MCU comics is a bad idea then we can ask Ol' Tin Knight to remove that part (I think I might remove it from the plan i made since it is referenced there as well).
In the meantime, I think that I have an idea of what DC is trying to do. First Green lantern, then J'onn J'onnz, I'm pretty sure that they will add Aquaman and Flash later on, and eother Wonder Woman or Black Canary as well. If they go that route then they can remake the JLA storyline that came after Crisis on Infinite Earths, where the original roster changed to those I just mentioned (with the exception of Wonder Woman). If so, that is a good move, it is a very good storyline.
As far as I see it we are more or less damning those comic book runs to the fate of AoS which is canon limbo. Some consider them canon, a lot others don't. Or we will outright contradict them, because why would we let comic book writers dictate personality, origin, supporting cast and adventures.
At least there are less people reading comics than watching tv.
Regarding the fan petitions, I don't believe the shareholders will be quaking in their boots because a few thousand comic book readers are signing them. Besides, the leading plan isn't going for shared rights, but buying them outright.
These are going to be short one shots, not major plot points. All of the comics should be self contained. It won't matter how canon they are, the primary purpose is to show characters we have interacting with characters we don't over minor "problem of the day" style issues. Also, the entire reason we'd be working with the comic book writers is so that we can coordinate personality, origin, supporting cast, and adventures with them.
The shareholders won't be quaking in their boots. That's not the idea at all. They'll be salivating over the potential money they could make partnering with us or selling us the rights they can't make good use of. Obviously we want to buy the rights wholesale, but that's really only feasible for Sony right now, and even then we aren't 100% guaranteed to get all the rights. Getting a fan petition to have Fox work with us on the MCU could be a much easier and cheaper route than simply trying to get Disney to go after Fox.
Man, the thread is very quiet today. Anyways, i wanted to discuss some plans for the future films, so I hope you can lend me your ears for a while.
I was thinking that for the third Thor movie we could do something similar to Ragnarok, but not have it be Ragnarok. More like, Thor is travelling through the cosmos using the Tessaract in order to find Bruce Banner, who would have dissapeared into Space like in Avengers: Age of Ultron. That way we can introduce Sakaar, and also have some homage to Planet Hulk without having to do the movie (I'm thinking that we can do another Hulk movie more focused on the Horror/Psychological genre for Hulk, since that seems to work best for him) and allow him to meet one of the greatest characters in Thor Lore...Beta Ray Bill!!
Now, for the movie I think that we should go for Matthew Vaughn as Director, since it seems that he can really work with the franchise, moving from one genre to another, I think he can do great for Thor. Taika Waititi should be used in another franchise, if ever. I have rewatched Thor: Ragnarok, and while it still seems somewhat funny, it leaves me unsatisfied now when I see how he could have handled Skurge the Executioner, or even Hela. Plus, while a more comedic Thor is good indeed, he went too far and turned him into a buttmonkey. Although I guess it was necessary in this iteration sine he was always too serious then.
Point is, since this Thir is different then there is no need to go full comedy with the style that Taika Waititi is known for, so I don't think that we should use that director for the franchise.
Although...Would he work better for the Deadpool franchise if we manage to obtain it?
Man, the thread is very quiet today. Anyways, i wanted to discuss some plans for the future films, so I hope you can lend me your ears for a while.
I was thinking that for the third Thor movie we could do something similar to Ragnarok, but not have it be Ragnarok. More like, Thor is travelling through the cosmos using the Tessaract in order to find Bruce Banner, who would have dissapeared into Space like in Avengers: Age of Ultron. That way we can introduce Sakaar, and also have some homage to Planet Hulk without having to do the movie (I'm thinking that we can do another Hulk movie more focused on the Horror/Psychological genre for Hulk, since that seems to work best for him) and allow him to meet one of the greatest characters in Thor Lore...Beta Ray Bill!!
Now, for the movie I think that we should go for Matthew Vaughn as Director, since it seems that he can really work with the franchise, moving from one genre to another, I think he can do great for Thor. Taika Waititi should be used in another franchise, if ever. I have rewatched Thor: Ragnarok, and while it still seems somewhat funny, it leaves me unsatisfied now when I see how he could have handled Skurge the Executioner, or even Hela. Plus, while a more comedic Thor is good indeed, he went too far and turned him into a buttmonkey. Although I guess it was necessary in this iteration sine he was always too serious then.
Point is, since this Thir is different then there is no need to go full comedy with the style that Taika Waititi is known for, so I don't think that we should use that director for the franchise.
Although...Would he work better for the Deadpool franchise if we manage to obtain it?
I think that Waititi would go great with Deadpool, his style would fit Deadpool's personality. He might also make a good Spiderman movie, since Spidey is also known for being comedic.
I think that Waititi would go great with Deadpool, his style would fit Deadpool's personality. He might also make a good Spiderman movie, since Spidey is also known for being comedic.
Deadpool seems to fit as you say, but I don't think he would be fit for Spider-Man. Deadpool's humor comes mostly from parody of itself and everyone around, while Spider-Man knows when to get serious and treat danger with the gravitas and respect that is needed.
Taika Waititi seems to always make fun everything, and shows no seriousness, so him in Deadpool is fine, but him in Spider-Man is not.
He did, but Ragnarok shined mostly thanks to comparing it to the other entries in the Thor Franchise, not to mention that Chris Hemsworth has amazing comedic talent and potential. Furthermore, Ragnarok and the way Waititi handled it was the natural course after the last installments, which necessitated a complete genre change. Here we have found the perfect equilibrium for Thor, so we should not try to further push the line.
Deadpool seems to fit as you say, but I don't think he would be fit for Spider-Man. Deadpool's humor comes mostly from parody of itself and everyone around, while Spider-Man knows when to get serious and treat danger with the gravitas and respect that is needed.
Taika Waititi seems to always make fun everything, and shows no seriousness, so him in Deadpool is fine, but him in Spider-Man is not.
That depends on what sort of Spider-Man story you're telling, I suppose, or where Peter is in his emotional development. I agree that he'd make a fantastic Deadpool director, though, especially since he's such a collaborative guy when it comes to the actors and their input.
It's a matter of some contention among fans, and this board in particular. I absolutely enjoyed it and would have remade it almost shot-for-shot (I do agree with the detractors about Korg's stuff in the last ten minutes of the movie, that's a little too tone-deaf for my taste). Others don't feel that way, and I can see their points, even if I don't necessarily agree with them.
I agree that we should start looking at future film plans, and what to do/not to do. Do we want to try and hammer out general ideas for the rest of Phase II, though? For instance, I mostly want to do Guardians Vol. 1 the same as MCU-Prime. I agree with previous suggestions about making Ronan more of an obvious extremist lunatic, and perhaps not using the Power Stone (I actually have some thoughts on the Power Stone) but otherwise Vol.1 is great and I don't want to deviate too far from it. I also still want to argue for holding off on a Hawkeye solo film, do that as Agents4, but the other thing I want to look at is what we're gonna do with Black Panther.
Personally, I really like what MCU-Prime's Black Panther did, but I'm also good with new and different ideas. Specifically, I would like to suggest having the Power Stone being involved in Wakanda, both giving a more realistic reason for Thanos to attack there (if that's the roadmap we take) and because it thematically makes sense to me -- the abilities the Heart-Shaped Herb confer, as well as its appearance, would lend themselves well to something like having the Power Stone lodged in the center of the Herb Garden.
Punisher TV series is going to be done right? The Slavers arc would be pretty awesome. It can end with Frank torturing Tiberiu Bulat (war criminal turned sex trafficker and serial killer) and telling him how he has never hated a man as much as Bulat and then set him on fire to end him. That was the best part of Puınisher MAX and it would be cool to have him on TV.
That depends on what sort of Spider-Man story you're telling, I suppose, or where Peter is in his emotional development. I agree that he'd make a fantastic Deadpool director, though, especially since he's such a collaborative guy when it comes to the actors and their input.
True, but my Main issue with Waititi is that he just doesn't seem to know when to stop the joke, or when the moment needs to be serious. As I said, Deadpool works fine with it, Spider-Man doesn't.
It's a matter of some contention among fans, and this board in particular. I absolutely enjoyed it and would have remade it almost shot-for-shot (I do agree with the detractors about Korg's stuff in the last ten minutes of the movie, that's a little too tone-deaf for my taste). Others don't feel that way, and I can see their points, even if I don't necessarily agree with them.
I agree that we should start looking at future film plans, and what to do/not to do. Do we want to try and hammer out general ideas for the rest of Phase II, though? For instance, I mostly want to do Guardians Vol. 1 the same as MCU-Prime. I agree with previous suggestions about making Ronan more of an obvious extremist lunatic, and perhaps not using the Power Stone (I actually have some thoughts on the Power Stone) but otherwise Vol.1 is great and I don't want to deviate too far from it. I also still want to argue for holding off on a Hawkeye solo film, do that as Agents4, but the other thing I want to look at is what we're gonna do with Black Panther.
Once more, I agree with GoTG, but disagree with Hawkeye, I feel that his perspective as a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent just as it has suffered such a crippling blow, while at the same time questioning if he really should he there (he should, I don't want him to quitar this time) would make for a great story.
Personally, I really like what MCU-Prime's Black Panther did, but I'm also good with new and different ideas. Specifically, I would like to suggest having the Power Stone being involved in Wakanda, both giving a more realistic reason for Thanos to attack there (if that's the roadmap we take) and because it thematically makes sense to me -- the abilities the Heart-Shaped Herb confer, as well as its appearance, would lend themselves well to something like having the Power Stone lodged in the center of the Herb Garden.
I've been on vacation so the updates haven't been flowing quite as regularly. Not unexpected for a quiet period! Fortunately (for y'all) I'm home and should have the culmination of Sony crapping the bed tomorrow! After that we'll do television, have an update on the video games, and jump into the next three movies (Doctor Strange, Captain America 2, and Guardians of the Galaxy)!
[] Plan Great Compromise
[] Choose the stick. Fuck Sony. They clearly have no idea what to do with Spider-Man or his people. Rally public opinion and offer a one-time purchase to reclaim the rights.
-[] Go to Bob and ask him what he thinks about your idea (Offer them up to 1 billion, starting at 500 million for Spider-Man, Spider-Man video games exclusive to PS, and either 25% profits on our first Spider-Man movie or 10% profits on our first 3 Spider-Man movies, in exchange for ALL Spider-Man and associated character rights and merch). What's the worst that could happen? He already thinks your a joke with money, and if he doesn't like the idea, that's fine. Just impress upon him to not agree to rights sharing under any circumstances (better to get the full rights), and otherwise take whatever deal he thinks is reasonable. If he likes yours, hey, it's a bonus.
--[] Either way, get the comic writers working on series for the MCU that covers the gaps between movies and shows some of the characters you don't have movie rights to.
--[] And, of course, mobilize fans of the MCU and get them petitioning to bring Spidey home!
--[] But most importantly, see about making a public statement. Obviously it'd need to be run by PR first, but you think this is the best way to handle the Sony hack and do the most damage to them. "While I'm certainly not pleased (and neither is my wife) about some of the comments that were made against me personally, I take bigger issue with the disrespect shown to the people working on these movies, and the characters of the Marvel Universe. Many fans read Marvel comics because they can see themselves in the characters. By dismissing these characters and their struggles, Sony's executives have shown that they aren't just incompetent, but actively malicious. Marvel Comics has always been about standing up to bullies, no matter who they are or how powerful they may be. Sony clearly doesn't understand that, and they shouldn't get the chance to butcher these characters any further." GM Note: If you cite another plan in your plan you need to link to it. Don't make me go searching for it. Also, respect the hyphen.
Naturally, you didn't have much to do with the actual negotiations. You were kept in the loop throughout the whole agonizing process though, which has left you wondering whether it would have been better to sit in painful ignorance instead. Some people have a real knack for sticking to their guns, especially when it comes to money. Not that you consider corporations to be people.
From what you gather, Disney pretty much jumped right in with a baby carrot barely concealing a baseball bat. Several key figures at The Walt Disney Company (including Bob Iger and yourself) had been personally attacked and personally offended by the leaked exchanged, as well as affronted by the mismanagement of one of Marvel's most beloved properties. To phrase it bluntly, there was very little will at Disney to continue collaborating with Sony beyond the bare minimum. Accept Disney's more than generous offer, regain some consumer goodwill, and use the cash to bring in some badly needed new blood.
Of course Sony had resisted. The Amazing Spider-Man 2 (respect the hyphen) might have been a costly fiasco, but the character was still a merchandising goldmine and one who - with another reboot, a few years, and a fresh set of eyes - would put asses in seats. There was a genuine fear there - born of teetering on the edge of bankruptcy - that giving in would throw them off of that cliff.
Why not share the rights to Sony's crown jewel? There was money to be made by both companies if they allowed a Sony-owned Spider-Man to appear in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Money could be shared in a manner more than favorable to Disney and Sony could use the rebooted character's popularity to continue creating movies based on characters in the Spider-Man mythos (while of course respecting the boundaries of Marvel's universe and their inability to make stories inside of it). They'd even be willing to hand over all merchandising rights in exchange for a one-time sum and say a few million for every Spider-Man movie Marvel helped- wait don't leave!
In the end, the only thing keeping Sony from going out of business was gamers. PlayStation sales remained steady even as the rest of the company reeled. Disney's negotiators had used that to break Sony's resolve. Exclusivity for Spider-Man video games (including the one already in production) was no small win, and $750,000,000 would go a long way toward keeping the doors open.
To Disney that was more or less small change. The merchandising potential of the character and associated characters was enough for them to drool over. For Marvel fans it meant something quite different. Something the nerds had been dreaming of for well over two years now. It meant that the Marvel Cinematic Universe was one very large step closer toward becoming everything it was meant to be. It meant that you were going to be revisiting some of your long-term plans for phases two and three and beyond in the very near future. It meant that something Amazing, Astonishing, Spectacular had happened.
Hopefully enough. Avengers 2 is already looking plenty stuffed, with what, currently three new heroes lined up who get introduced there, no to mention that Ant-Man and Wasp will come in too and we want to show not only old fanfavourite pairings and relationships, but also how the new blood fits into the team? Which is saying nothing on the fact that a sizeable part of the voters wants to do the Masters of Evil.
With this with Spidy returning home and bringing back everyone else related to him options have opened up new doors have opened and more importantly we have someone who can tag in for RDJ's Ironman when he has to clock out.
We MUST nail Spider-Man he in many ways will have to carry the MCU post infinity saga into where we go next.
Honestly we need to throw everything into casting for him and begin a search for the right Spider-Man immediately even if we plan to save him for Avengers 2 or beyond.
We need someone young who can play the part of a high schooler and grow into a full adult . We're talking Extremely long term commitment here and we need the very very best.
Honestly with Sony's clusterfrag handleing of him we can't even just knock him out of the park we need to babe Ruth call our shot and knock it into the stratosphere while blindfolded.
On a side note spider-verse must still be a thing we could even have it reference the MCU ( and tease the multiverse from the other side)
Sony May be terrible but the PS is still our best platform for single player story focused games where our characters can shine. So long as everyone stays on the same page and story has to go though a marvel writer team for quality assurance we should be fine.
I still think we should cancel Doctor Strange. He's the least important to have in an Ultron/Masters of Evil movie. There's so much bloat, we can't sustain all these new characters.
Even Black Panther is pushing it, thought at least we have his conflict with Atlantis to justify his presence.
I still think we should cancel Doctor Strange. He's the least important to have in an Ultron/Masters of Evil movie. There's so much bloat, we can't sustain all these new characters.
Even Black Panther is pushing it, thought at least we have his conflict with Atlantis to justify his presence.
I mean, no one says they all have to show up for Avengers 2. We can easily mention that during the casting of the characters, that they'll be left separate until Avengers 3.
That said, I agree that we should trim down Phase 2. We are blowing our load early here.
