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There Was A Different Idea: An MCU Producer Quest

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I had an idea for when we want Nefaria to empower himself / do his endgame plan of becoming a modern King.

Have him use the power stone to empower himself with the powers of Wonder Man, Scarecrow, and Living Laser without the drawbacks. (living laser's drawback of being a living laser might be inherent to the powers though).

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If I recall correctly, earlier in the thread we had discussed the idea of Tony Killing Nefaria using a weakness that Simon tells him about, and Simon and Tony have a bit of a falling out after that.

What if instead that happens to the Living Laser, but instead of death, Tony blasts him off into space because Living Laser is too powerful to stop and cannot die (perhaps he gets a power upgrade from Nefaria around the time Nefaria empowers himself). Could be funny way to introduce a fish out of water story for Marvel space stuff. Maybe he ends up in Sakaar or something.

Also, we need to figure out where the power stone is at the end of Wonder Man. Does Darcy have it, or SHIELD, or Maggia?
 
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TruckOnEmptyRoad said:
That works if you are setting up tent pole to force smaller movies to move around your movie's schedule.

Not two big studio's movies head to head with each other.
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Yes, it does work, because if done right it will hurt both movies equally over Friday when box office starts.

Box office numbers typically stop being counted after 'opening weekend' by industry standards, but Thursday evening early viewing numbers get added to those numbers. In other words, it's a business move that artificially inflates viewership numbers because one competing movie will be shown for 4 days worth of sales while the other only gets 3. This can hurt the stock price of a competitor by making them look inferior to investors.

It's not something you pull unless you really need to undercut competition. It's a ploy to make someone look bad more than anything, and really not something we need to do with the wild success we're seeing.

Duke William of said:
...That never crossed my mind, and I'm just checking. Heads are going to turn, hohoho...

Warner Bros seeing Iron Man 2 make more money than Superman:
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Not only that, we slammed right through the sequel curse! This exact phenomena is what catapulted Captain America from a 'meh' Marvel franchise to one of the best.

They had sequels that consistently outperformed eachother, which is a pretty big deal in Hollywood.
 
I'm just in complete awe of how much we manage to earn. :)

Nystical said:
Also, we need to figure out where the power stone is at the end of Wonder Man. Does Darcy have it, or SHIELD, or Maggia?
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I'm feeling SHIELD, mabye? It could serve as a catalyst for a storyline in a future TV show like the Agents of Shield.

Ehbon said:
Not only that, we slammed right through the sequel curse! This exact phenomena is what catapulted Captain America from a 'meh' Marvel franchise to one of the best.
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This gives me more confidence that we're going to make such a good sequel for Thor. (Granted, the bar is pretty low but y'all get my point :p)
 
Zvonimir said:
I'm feeling SHIELD, mabye? It could serve as a catalyst for a storyline in a future TV show like the Agents of Shield.
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I think having it go to Darcy could be better if you want that to happen. Perhaps have her arc being she kept it secure and hidden so SHIELD couldn't misuse it.

Make Agents of Shield show a little more than just SHIELD with a bit of worldbuilding as to how everyday people are also reacting to the events and changes of living in the MCU, with SHIELD undergoing a transition from being a secretive spy agency to also being a public superhero wrangler after the events of the first Avengers movie, so they have to deal with public relations & PR stuff now too.
 
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So. Ironman 3 villain. Mandarin? In connection to the Ten Rings terrorist organization from the first movie?

Could have it be an Avenger film but not like Captain America: Civil War.

I feel like Mandarin is enough of a heavy weight to be an Avengers villain but is still connected to Tony personally enough to be a personal villain at the same time.
 
Nystical said:
I think having it go to Darcy could be better if you want that to happen. Perhaps have her arc being she kept it secure and hidden so SHIELD couldn't misuse it.

Make Agents of Shield show a little more than just SHIELD with a bit of worldbuilding as to how everyday people are also reacting to the events and changes of living in the MCU, with SHIELD undergoing a transition from being a secretive spy agency to also being a public superhero wrangler after the events of the first Avengers movie.
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Ooo, that would be better!

UlseDovThur said:
So. Ironman 3 villain. Mandarin? In connection to the Ten Rings terrorist organization from the first movie?

Could have it be an Avenger film but not like Captain America: Civil War.

I feel like Mandarin is enough of a heavy weight to be an Avengers villain but is still connected to Tony personally enough to be a personal villain at the same time.
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I prefer the real Mandarin over the fake one if we want to go that route.
 
Ehbon said:
Hm, should we try to throw in an infinity stone somewhere? From what I remember from my read through, only one has shown up thus far right?
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Speaking of that, we should think about where we want to bring the Infinity Stones into the picture. So far we have the Power and Space Stone in the picture. Well the 'Tesseract' regrading the later. The Mind, Reality, and Time Stones (If we do Brother Voodoo instead of Doctor Strange) are the ones that going to be in different places due to the changes so far. I could see Mandarin sacking Kamar-Taj back when he was a Warlord (With the help of his Ten Rings of course) and taking the Time Stone.
 
Zvonimir said:
Well the 'Tesseract' regrading the later.
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Aha! You wouldn't happen to know where the tesseract was shown in this would you? Been looking for it in the credits scenes and I can't find it where it used to be (First Thor movie on a book of all things), unless that's what Siph left behind.

But yes, I'd really like to mix up where they're at. It kind of put me off that they were all just... hovering around Earth conveniently for the movies. Maybe we could have one with the Kree Empire? It makes sense that massive interstellar governments like Asgard and the Kree would have a couple.
 
Ehbon said:
Aha! You wouldn't happen to know where the tesseract was shown in this would you? Been looking for it in the credits scenes and I can't find it where it used to be (First Thor movie on a book of all things), unless that's what Siph left behind.

But yes, I'd really like to mix up where they're at. It kind of put me off that they were all just... hovering around Earth conveniently for the movies. Maybe we could have one with the Kree Empire? It makes sense that massive interstellar governments like Asgard and the Kree would have a couple.
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It's going to show up in Captain America much like in the OTL. Speaking of which, we should spend some time with Jon Favreau in the future if we want to make big changes, since as not having the Mandarin be fake. :V

TheodorePiesley said:
One of the stones could be on Xandar from the start. I threw a pitch for a Nova couple pages where could either incorporate it to the plot or have as an end-credit scene.
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The Reality Stone would fit in a Nova story. So it could be on Xandar.
 
Beautiful. We made a masterpiece, and it will pay off bigtime. One could say we did a marvellous job….I'll see my way out
 
overmind said:
When you nearly break the seven digits for the final Box Office!
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Do you mean ten digits?

UlseDovThur said:
The real, ten magic rings, ass kicker, Mandarin. Not that fake bullshit from IRL Ironman 3.
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Yeah, that twist was bad.

Ironically, I definitely know of some people that really enjoyed iron man 3s take of the mandarin before the twist.

This super intense, threatening, charismatic guy coming out of nowhere doing broadcasts against America and seeming unstoppable in his fervor. The acting was really good and he felt like a genuine threat just showing up on TV. Didn't even need magic rings.

...and then the stupid twist that ruined it.
 
Just found this quest and I must say I am really enjoying it, I even found some new Marvel characters to look up because of it.
 
Nystical said:
I think having it go to Darcy could be better if you want that to happen. Perhaps have her arc being she kept it secure and hidden so SHIELD couldn't misuse it.
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Also, with the Jane-Darcy link, we could have Darcy have it and get it involved with Thor 2 plot. Great place to put in stone exposition.

Zvonimir said:
Speaking of that, we should think about where we want to bring the Infinity Stones into the picture.
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For the Mind Stone, I like it being the host of the Kree Supreme Intelligence, and the Time Stone being Odin's covered eye. If we do Kree Mind Stone, then the Skrulls having the Reality Stone balances power and can be the source of their shape shifting, and if we can get rights to the Super Skrulls, the direct source of them.

A more cosmic Nova movie would let us set up Kree, Skrulls, and such without initially getting into them having stones. Doing a Mar-vell based Captain Marvel origin story could also be based around the Kree having stolen the Reality Stone and Mar-Vell tracking it to earth, or if we have Power in Shield hands, the Kree can be after it there with Mar-Vell trying to stop the theft and Carol as an angent caught in the middle, and also becoming stone empowered.
 
ClawClawBite said:
Also, with the Jane-Darcy link, we could have Darcy have it and get it involved with Thor 2 plot. Great place to put in stone exposition.


For the Mind Stone, I like it being the host of the Kree Supreme Intelligence, and the Time Stone being Odin's covered eye. If we do Kree Mind Stone, then the Skrulls having the Reality Stone balances power and can be the source of their shape shifting, and if we can get rights to the Super Skrulls, the direct source of them.

A more cosmic Nova movie would let us set up Kree, Skrulls, and such without initially getting into them having stones. Doing a Mar-vell based Captain Marvel origin story could also be based around the Kree having stolen the Reality Stone and Mar-Vell tracking it to earth, or if we have Power in Shield hands, the Kree can be after it there with Mar-Vell trying to stop the theft and Carol as an angent caught in the middle, and also becoming stone empowered.
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One of the trade-offs we'll have to do now that the MCU has begun picking up steam is decide between:

Do we want new heroes' movies to focus solely on them? If so, then we can't just "call the Avengers" unless we make up a reason why. Black Panther had a secret society as an excuse, Guardians of Galaxy had not being on Earth as an excuse, Captain Marvel had being set in the 90s as an excuse (and to excuse her not being around since then, she was "doing stuff in space" which is kind of lame but at least its attempted to be explained)

If we want to avoid the "why cant the protagonists just call the Avengers?" stuff, then that might shift focus away from the new protagonist / hero that we want to establish. So it's a balancing act.

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I think if you have the Kree start with the Mind stone and the Skrulls with the Reality stone, a Captain Marvel movie where she is stopping Kree agents on Earth from taking the power stone could be good. Except don't go into a big exposition dump about the Kree and Skrulls and that they have the stones, just say what powers they have (shapeshift and mind control) and focus on the Kree wanting the power stone.

I imagine the Kree could put agents on Earth AND make Skrulls look bad by using the mind stone to mind control Skrull shapeshifters to serve as their puppets? So if they get caught they can just pretend they are working for the Skrulls, when in reality they are being mind controlled by the Kree.

Edit: Plus, having the Kree mind control Skrull agents, and Skrull agents able to pretend to be Kree agents using their respective stones is a great way to explain why their war is at a standstill.

At the end of the movie, the power stone is put into the hands of SHIELD so that it stays safe from anyone who might want to steal it... (cue a post credit scene where its shown a SHIELD agent with access to the stone is a double agent working for the Maggia. Not in the same movie though, as that would undercut the victory)

Then a follow up Captain Marvel movie could focus more on space, about the on-going Kree and Skrull war, where Captain Marvel is trying to prevent either party from getting both the Mind and Reality stones?

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Combining both thoughts above, if we have Darcy heavily involved with the power stone shenanigans, people will ask why Thor and Wonder Man isn't helping with the stone being secured, especially Wonder Man. So we probably need to figure out a way to include them while not detracting from Captain Marvel's story. (Possibly having her empowerment allow her to breathe and fly around in space playing a part in that?)
 
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Well, as Loki is already getting involved in the war, as per Thor credit scene, that takes care of Him, just put a scene he finds out and rushes of to deal with his wayvard brother.
As for Wonderman, maybe a subplot where he accidentaly isfires his still barely understood powers and, I dunno locks himself in a stasis, so Darcy needs to 'unlock' him while dodging al wother parties?
 
yannoshka said:
Well, as Loki is already getting involved in the war, as per Thor credit scene, that takes care of Him, just put a scene he finds out and rushes of to deal with his wayvard brother.
As for Wonderman, maybe a subplot where he accidentaly isfires his still barely understood powers and, I dunno locks himself in a stasis, so Darcy needs to 'unlock' him while dodging al wother parties?
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How would Thor learn that Loki has teamed up with the Kree? Would the Kree agent on Earth just blab about that? Would the agent even know about that, and why?

But that is moot as the "Loki has teamed up with the Kree" arc would be dealt with before a potential Captain Marvel movie as it's what we've been marching towards for Avengers.
 
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Loki himself?
It's not Loki himself Thor has to deal with but a plot-within-a-plot that's about to go 'nuclear' that lLoki leftbehind?
He is the Trickster, so long-cons, hidden plots and ticking time bombs no one but xi knows about would be pretty in character?
Just throwing ideas at the wall.
 
Nystical said:
I think if you have the Kree start with the Mind stone and the Skrulls with the Reality stone, a Captain Marvel movie where she is stopping Kree agents on Earth from taking the power stone could be good. Except don't go into a big exposition dump about the Kree and Skrulls and that they have the stones, just say what powers they have (shapeshift and mind control) and focus on the Kree wanting the power stone.
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Yes, exactly this, get it figured out ahead of time so we can have things make sense, but introducing things slowly enough that we have time to make movies that are not just exposition. Though I would say call the Kree having Brainwashing and not mind control as the supreme intelligence would be their main mindstone trick that lets direct links to the SI make agents, as opposed to the Skrulls in the field shapeshift.

But either way, this is a good set up for a paired Captain Marvel and Nova film set to start Marvels in SPACE Space space....
 
Loving this quest. One thing I think we may have problems with is we seem to have reached post-first Avengers movie levels of hype before The Avengers. So like, imagine the amount of expectations Avengers is going to have on it from all corners.
 
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