The World Turned Upside Down - A 20th Century Nation Game (HIATUS?)

@firepelt123 when you say "seized" do you actually mean that Ethiopia simply expropriated Russian ships stationed in the country? That... would be unwise.

I mean, given that the former Russian Empire appears to parallel the former USSR with massive amounts of excess military equipment lying around, I'm sure the post-Imperial Russian state would have been more than willing to sell Ethiopia ships it no longer needed. It probably wouldn't be at the kind of massively-subsidised rates below market price but the fact remains that there's a good chance for the Ethiopian government to acquire the equipment it wants.

Just expropriating it outright without compensation would cause a problem, and the Russian government would be completely justified in seeking appropriate recompense for the theft of their military equipment. Even if Ethiopia didn't have the money at the time, it probably could have worked out a repayment plan or simply paid in resources which was not uncommon for historical Soviet allies.
That's actually a very good point.

Why is everyone taking shit off Russia without my notice? I feel like I'm being voided as a player, I mean I can leave if you want.
Do you want to work out a suggested repayment method? If not, I'll just change my post to state we purchased the warships.

Personally I think it would have been better for someone to have specified the amount of equipment Russia lost, so we can't someone like Alesky claiming "The Majority of the Imperial Fleet", me with the Red Sea Fleet, and Ukraine.
 
That's actually a very good point.
Do you want to work out a suggested repayment method? If not, I'll just change my post to state we purchased the warships.

Personally I think it would have been better for someone to have specified the amount of equipment Russia lost, so we can't someone like Alesky claiming "The Majority of the Imperial Fleet", me with the Red Sea Fleet, and Ukraine.

It might actually be more sensible for Russia to be repaid in resources. Imperial Rubles are worthless now as a withdrawn currency, and the new Russia probably, like IOTL's post-Soviet Russia, has severe problems with shortages of desperately-needed foreign currency, which they could acquire by reselling goods on the market. The only problem is finding something Ethiopia has in large quantities which Russia does not.

It's also going to depend on what exactly the circumstances of the equipment is. If it's military aid given freely or sold to allied states (probably at extremely low cost) then that's pretty much a done deal. But if it's equipment stored in overseas military bases operated by the Russian Empire, than the new Russian government has legal claim as the successor to the Russian Empire. Outside of actual former Russian nations (i.e. Ukraine, Georgia, etc.) most people probably won't be interested in claiming the position of successor. Because to do so would also compel them to uphold other obligations of the former Russian state such as debts.
 
Following the Imperial collapse Russia was selling much of its stuff to stabilize the new currency and economy, naturally causing inflation (hence why ICly I am throwing money around).

However, we wouldn't just abandon 5,000 tanks, a battle group or whatever if we had the capacity to get it back. I am more willing to negotiate more legitimate stats with the ex-Bloc states as to what they may have bought or what would've been left behind. The impression I got from the navy deserting was that all the officers and older, capital-class ships would've made up the core of the force that deserted.
 
Following the Imperial collapse Russia was selling much of its stuff to stabilize the new currency and economy, naturally causing inflation (hence why ICly I am throwing money around).

However, we wouldn't just abandon 5,000 tanks, a battle group or whatever if we had the capacity to get it back. I am more willing to negotiate more legitimate stats with the ex-Bloc states as to what they may have bought or what would've been left behind. The impression I got from the navy deserting was that all the officers and older, capital-class ships would've made up the core of the force that deserted.

Also, while some of the deserters will undoubtedly look to emigrate to greener pastures, a fair amount of them will probably just come back to Russia or their countries of origin.

Plus getting military equipment back means getting it back to sell or at least to keep in storage until needed, so there's a huge incentive to do it.
 
@firepelt123, you know my trip to India has nothing to do with Ethiopia? I wanted to make sure there was no misunderstanding re. my IC.
Yes, my bad.
Following the Imperial collapse Russia was selling much of its stuff to stabilize the new currency and economy, naturally causing inflation (hence why ICly I am throwing money around).

However, we wouldn't just abandon 5,000 tanks, a battle group or whatever if we had the capacity to get it back. I am more willing to negotiate more legitimate stats with the ex-Bloc states as to what they may have bought or what would've been left behind. The impression I got from the navy deserting was that all the officers and older, capital-class ships would've made up the core of the force that deserted.
Again, you want me to change something, let's do it. Do you want me to make a PM?
 
I mean CG hasn't been online for somewhere approaching 48 hours and when he comes back he's going to have to spend a while dealing with the absurd number of PMs and IC posts that have been made.

Oh I know thats why I am being careful to not sound like I am demanding it. I know that they have a lot to do and doing those things will only make the next report all the better!
 
I didn't feel it to be outside the bounds of plausibility. Plus this is oddly the sort of case a Virginian attorney might want to take to bolster their practise because of its controversy and newsworthiness.
Oh, ha, no. There is no case, and there will never be a day in Virginian court for John Buford Jr. I assume his lawyer is aware of this, and is essentially just bilking his new client as far as he can.
 
Oh, ha, no. There is no case, and there will never be a day in Virginian court for John Buford Jr. I assume his lawyer is aware of this, and is essentially just bilking his new client as far as he can.

That's a matter for some debate.

Then again, debating the legal validity of something is kind of the whole point of a legal system anyway.
 
That's a matter for some debate.

Then again, debating the legal validity of something is kind of the whole point of a legal system anyway.
There is not a shot in hell that the Virginian judiciary would hear a lawsuit filed by a foreigner against a paper heavily linked to the Gentry and the government. This isn't Kentucky, after all <3
 
There is not a shot in hell that the Virginian judiciary would hear a lawsuit filed by a foreigner against a paper heavily linked to the Gentry and the government. This isn't Kentucky, after all <3

Well I mean, if it gets tossed out by a kangaroo court or not given a hearing to begin with that really just helps the argument doesn't it? :p
 
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