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The World Turned Upside Down - A 20th Century Nation Game (HIATUS?)

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Crilltic said:
I'm guessing it's financial paper trails and witness testimony from various members of the pan-germanist front. In enough quantities that I feel I can get other countries to creditably believe me when I accuse the North German government of it. (Obviously @ChaoticGenius can answer this better than me).

But like what's the alternative here, I launched a false flag terror attack on my own soil to provoke a war I don't want? I'm not even asking for any North German government officials just private citizens accused of arms trafficking for a terrorist organization.
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Yes but your not saying what your going to try them for which is part of what I've been asking about IC, handing over corporate elites with no idea what they are being tried for and thus no idea what kind of actions could be taken against them is not exactly something to do. Furthermore handing over citizens in general without a clearcut case stock full of evidence for there guilt is not exactly some government would want to do.
 
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Cybandeath said:
Yes but your not saying what your going to try them for which is part of what I've been asking about IC, handing over corporate elites with no idea what they are being tried for and thus no idea what kind of actions could be taken against them is not exactly something to do.
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I rather imagine they'd be tried for the crime of... aiding and abetting a terrorist attack?
 
Maugan Ra said:
I rather imagine they'd be tried for the crime of... aiding and abetting a terrorist attack?
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That's one example yes but it would still be something that needs to be clarified, still how exactly do you go about accusing someone of being responsible for the results of funding without clear evidence let alone evidence of them being behind the attack itself? (which I had nothing to do with, yes I'm supporting pan Germanist but I'm not bloody asking them to attack people, and from the description of the IC post lists nothing of North Germany being involved in the attack itself from a group of frankly thugs.)

Edit: Sidenote its like bassicly midnight for me so ill get back to whatever trainwreck this has turned into later, im fucking to tired for this XD still I did not cause this bloody and have been funding and supporting Pan-Germanist to try and form a united front and be capable of defending itself from political suppression.

Goodnight everyone meow, please dont bloody nuke each other.

 
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Cybandeath said:
That's one example yes but it would still be something that needs to be clarified, still how exactly do you go about accusing someone of being responsible for the results of funding without clear evidence let alone evidence of them being behind the attack itself? (which I had nothing to do with, yes I'm supporting pan Germanist but I'm not bloody asking them to attack people, and from the description of the IC post lists nothing of North Germany being involved in the attack itself from a group of frankly thugs.)
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This would be what a trial is for, yes. Trials generally include a full investigatory period and the outlining of all the evidence against the accused.

Beyond which, there's a substantial body of legal work on how someone who pays money to a criminal group can then be considered on the hook for what they do with that money.
 
Cybandeath said:
That's one example yes but it would still be something that needs to be clarified, still how exactly do you go about accusing someone of being responsible for the results of funding without clear evidence let alone evidence of them being behind the attack itself? (which I had nothing to do with, yes I'm supporting pan Germanist but I'm not bloody asking them to attack people, and from the description of the IC post lists nothing of North Germany being involved in the attack itself from a group of frankly thugs.)

Edit: Sidenote its like bassicly midnight for me so ill get back to whatever trainwreck this has turned into later, im fucking to tired for this XD still I did not cause this bloody and have been funding and supporting Pan-Germanist to try and form a united front and be capable of defending itself from political suppression.

Goodnight everyone meow, please dont bloody nuke each other.

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The Event text does explicitly implicate the North German government in funneling weapons into the Confederation. Like I don't really care that you didn't intend for the Pan-Germanists to use the weapons you gave them in terror attacks, because the fact is they used to weapons you gave them in terror attacks and that's a really bad look.
 
Cybandeath said:
ANYHOW @Demonic Spoon looking over the whole current house tree again there is space/time for the late Kaiserin to have had a daughter who would the Crown Princes (and Kaiser in 1992) younger sister but the age would be more or less fixed at 21-22 years old. Also I would probably give them a twin in order to have more members of the main line of the family.
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A bit too young to be the spouse of the current reigning monarch who is middleagedish.
 
Cybandeath said:
That's one example yes but it would still be something that needs to be clarified, still how exactly do you go about accusing someone of being responsible for the results of funding without clear evidence let alone evidence of them being behind the attack itself? (which I had nothing to do with, yes I'm supporting pan Germanist but I'm not bloody asking them to attack people, and from the description of the IC post lists nothing of North Germany being involved in the attack itself from a group of frankly thugs.)

Edit: Sidenote its like bassicly midnight for me so ill get back to whatever trainwreck this has turned into later, im fucking to tired for this XD still I did not cause this bloody and have been funding and supporting Pan-Germanist to try and form a united front and be capable of defending itself from political suppression.

Goodnight everyone meow, please dont bloody nuke each other.

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Crilltic said:
The Event text does explicitly implicate the North German government in funneling weapons into the Confederation. Like I don't really care that you didn't intend for the Pan-Germanists to use the weapons you gave them in terror attacks, because the fact is they used to weapons you gave them in terror attacks and that's a really bad look.
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To clarify the event, the North German Federation-based corporation, Schmidtt und Fraunk Solutions Inc., was caught with evidence linking to them to the V.D.I. and its attacks. Whether that was intentional or not can be questioned: it is normal for nations to be influencing other nations' political parties, it has happened throughout the Great Game for years, albeit significantly less brazenly, but when a nation offers money and arms to anyone who claims to be fighting for a united Germany, there will be less palatable types who will take those resources and implement their ideology.

In essence, the trial would likely be: did the employees at Schmidtt und Fraunk Solutions Inc., specifically those in charge of the distribution of these funds and arms, intentionally fund and equip a radical and terroristic group?

SuperMissile said:
By the way, great modding @ChaoticGenius, really like the news report style events
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Heavy W. Guy said:
I do as well!

@ChaoticGenius if by any chance you want any help with events or modding of any kind, please let me know! I'm happy to lend a hand and write some events for areas that are lesser-known.
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This heartens me to continue writing more events for participants to react to, and if needed I will certainly look into that offer, @Heavy W. Guy.

Also, Chinese participant @ZealousThoughts, will you be able to participate as an active Republic of China, or would you prefer I assign you to a quieter nation if you are burdened at the moment?
 
Another Amoeba said:
Did the C.S.A. just nuke a British fleet?
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Wait what?

Er...

*3 Months later*

Australian troops have landed today in Tegucigalpa and have announced the expelling of all Confederate forces from Nicaragua. The people there were so grateful that they have decided to voluntarily ask into admission into the Confederation of Australia.
 
Maugan Ra said:
So let's see... I wonder where would be a solid choice for Britain's space program to be based? Actually trying to launch rockets from the UK itself seems impractical for reasons of orbital mechanics and simple space requirements, so I've probably just turned over an island somewhere to the role...
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My gut says Diego Garcia for military launches, Woomera for civilian launches if relations with Australia are good.

You don't just want siting on the Equator; you also want to make sure nobody is sitting down range to get a good look at your military satellites. That means a long strip of uninhabited land or open water to the east, assuming the Royal Navy can put tracking ships to clear traffic downrange.

(Both of those are also relatively historical, also.)
 
Yooooo, this looks cool as hell. Dropping a prospective claim, so if possible, I would really like to claim Iran. I'd like to balance the internal modernization of Iran with cooperation with the Commonwealth and the politics of the Middle Eastern region. I'm of partial Iranian heritage myself and know quite a lot about it and this setting looks like a really cool place to engage with that sort of stuff. Pinging @ChaoticGenius, so thank you in advance!
 
@Cybandeath @Crilltic @ChaoticGenius

just a heads-up, as the author of the Germany mini: there is absolutely no doubt that NG -- by which I specifically mean the Government itself, albeit through FuS -- funnelled arms and cash to pan-German movements in the SGC. The North German government explicitly directed that such an activity take place, and the South German government has such a surfeit of evidence that it publicly announced this to the world.

However.

It is highly debatable exactly how the money/weapons got to the VDI specifically (did the government know? was it a decision made by the "company"? was it just bad luck? Nobody knows) and there is no evidence that the NGF sanctioned the Stuttgart Bombing specifically.

That's how I intended this to go down.
 
Alex Costa said:
Look, I don't care who kicks the Confederates out of the canal, it's hurting our trade with Canada and the West Indies.
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I don't think Australia has enough actual involvement with the nations of the region to really be concerned in all truth. It's probably worried about a potential confrontation of great powers but crises in the Western Hemisphere are safely distant from any major Australian interests. Australia probably gets nothing from the Caribbean that it couldn't import from elsewhere and because Canada and the US have access to the Pacific, trade going to Australia from Canada wouldn't pass through the Canal.

Also, while the Canal is important... I feel like a lot of NGs tend to overstate it as this vital linchpin of the world economy that would bring the global economy to a standstill if interrupted. When it's probably more accurate to say that that is more true of the Strait of Malacca or the Suez Canal (the latter of which has probably lost some importance ITTL since there are likely oil pipelines that connect directly to the Mediterranean for export) and that problems with the Nicaraguan/Panama Canal would affect certain industries and regions heavily but would leave other parts of the global trading network largely unaffected, or only temporarily affected: European countries could start buying coffee from Africa and Southeast Asia if supplies from Central America are affected.
 
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Heavy W. Guy said:
I don't think Australia has enough actual involvement with the nations of the region to really be concerned in all truth. It's probably worried about a potential confrontation of great powers but crises in the Western Hemisphere are safely distant from any major Australian interests. Australia probably gets nothing from the Caribbean that it couldn't import from elsewhere and because Canada and the US have access to the Pacific, trade going to Australia from Canada wouldn't pass through the Canal.

Also, while the Canal is important... I feel like a lot of NGs tend to overstate it as this vital lynchpin of the world economy that would bring the global economy to a standstill if interrupted. When it's probably more accurate to say that that is more true of the Strait of Malacca or the Suez Canal (the latter of which has probably lost some importance ITTL since there are likely oil pipelines that connect directly to the Mediterranean for export) and that problems with the Nicaraguan/Panama Canal would affect certain industries and regions heavily but would leave other parts of the global trading network largely unaffected, or only temporarily affected: European countries could start buying coffee from Africa and Southeast Asia if supplies from Central America are affected.
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The Nicacaranguan canal is probably way more important in a world where the USA is the dominant superpower, than one where Britain is yes.
 
Demonic Spoon said:
The Nicacaranguan canal is probably way more important in a world where the USA is the dominant superpower, than one where Britain is yes.
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Even in today's US-centred world, there are simply massive parts of the global economy that do not rely upon transit through the Panama Canal.

Because of economic interconnections, of course, there would be effects throughout the world, but it bears consideration that route of trade between Europe, Asia, and Africa would all remain intact.
 
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