It's quite possible that while the law strictly speaking only applies to the federal Army and Air Force, it's traditionally understood to also cover all other military and paramilitary forces the federal government can call upon that aren't already law enforcement agencies. So basically the FBI and a number of other TLAs.
The Taste of Peaches (Worm AU)
- Thread starter Grounders10
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I dislike getting involved in these sorts of arguments, but I feel the need to point out that the Wards are contract employees, and as such they would likely have a minimum amount work hours they would need to perform before they could quit without suffering penalties. From personal experience, I can assure you that those penalties can easily bankrupt a teenager who can legally only work part-time job hours, and would likely make considerably less profit as an Independent Cape in Wildbow's universe not to mention all the other benefits they lose as not being a government employee, like health care, education tuitions, and comped meals.
To everyone else, remember, as much as Wildbow said it was RL with superheroes Worm is still a fictional universe. That means it doesn't mirror the real world much better than a fun house does.
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But even in WB's fictional universe, Piggot is acting like a braindead idiot. The Protectorate/PRT wants every damn cape they can get. That's canon, or Assault and Shadow Stalker would never have managed to get a deal. Now, "If you make a mistake, you'll be bankrupt. Worse, if your commander messes up, you'll be bankrupt. Even worse, we won't even let your friends or family pay off your debt - and yes, we can do that, you won't have any rights!" is not exactly the kind of message you want to send to prospective recruits. It's not the kind of message you want to send to the press, either - especially after leaving a bunch of teenagers in charge of a hostage situation. A hostage situation with senior PRT personnel on site.
Any way you try to explain it, this punishment is just shitty grimderp stupidity.
It's worse. The Posse Comitatus act, (Posse Comitatus Act - Wikipedia) It's not a court case, btw (in fact, the first military action of the United States under the Constitution was putting down a tax revolt, a police action, the PC Act was due to Reconstruction, and the dislike of using the military as a rule to police/govern American citizens, as well as the Army used during the Civil war and a bit later in the North to act as police), is in primus: "No, you can't call out the Army to enforce the laws, for every little thing. You must declare martial law, a clear reason why, and it is a temporary action." Case example is the LA Riots of 1992, once the NG couldn't control the situation, the Marines and the Army (7th ID) swarmed in, shut it down, a week later were gone.
All the services (even though as noted, the Navy and Marines are not formally bound by the PC Act) do basically however abide by the Insurrection Act's limitations, there are a few exceptions (note the Enforcement acts, which were used to enforce Brown v. Education, with the Airborne) This has a nifty flowchart to show you how it works:
en.wikipedia.org
(the Coast Guard, the Space Force are also explicitly law enforcement agenices, on top of, or under their primary mission (CG is primarly law enforcement/customs enforcement, SF is primarily military)
PRT... yeah, no. Let's just say this, Wildbow's writing... has shall we say issues.
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All the services (even though as noted, the Navy and Marines are not formally bound by the PC Act) do basically however abide by the Insurrection Act's limitations, there are a few exceptions (note the Enforcement acts, which were used to enforce Brown v. Education, with the Airborne) This has a nifty flowchart to show you how it works:
Insurrection Act of 1807 - Wikipedia
PRT... yeah, no. Let's just say this, Wildbow's writing... has shall we say issues.
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I was with up to this line, it actually can work both ways. Just because they aren't civilians does not mean that the international organization they belong to is bound by the UCMJ. For that matter given how the rules would have had to be changed to ensure the Wards got a trust fund that no one could touch the rule limiting the amount of fines they could be made to pay could have been changed as well.
We don't know that.
Iori_Angel
Kitten lover
Decent story telling!
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We know that they sign NDA's, a contractual agreement, which typical no one underage can be held to against their will save in some rare exceptions. We know that in Wildbow's reality parahumans are an oppressed minority that do not have all the same rights and protections of the law. We know that the government prefers to use contract agreements for most of their employees IRL. Why would the government be any different in this case in a 'IRL superheroes" reality?
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As for Piggot, she's a basically a Jarhead, same as my old man, not a PR specialist or a politician. Her decision is reflective of the military hardass that she is; even in canon Worm she makes decisions that aren't PR friendly. In the Worm reality, normal people are afraid of capes. Piggot especially has a hate on for capes. Even IRL people don't always make decisions that have the best PR value.
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We know they sign a contract when they join, we also know that IRL when you join the army you sign a contract, so that doesn't tell us anything. We don't know that parahumans are an oppressed minority, while the later part is true, the former is ridiculous and impossible to any significant extent. We know of a law that a specific group of parahumans claimed was unfair to them and in fact that it was defined very narrowly to attack them. We don't know what the law in question was, it could have been quite reasonable. We know there are laws in Worm that would have never been passed in RL, but we don't know if they are applied disproportionately on parahumans.
EDIT:Lets move any further discussion on this to Worm canon disscussion
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The problem is that Piggot's actions are too stupid even for your explanation. She's acting like a Marine taking a piss against the walls of a shrine that's the centre of the local religion, after being told to respect the locals' customs. Piggot should know better.
But even if we accept that Piggot would make such a mistake, it should have had consequences. She should have been reprimanded or fired after that. The Wards should have rebelled. Something should have happened after such a stupid blunder.
And no, "Cauldron/Fortuna did it" isn't an explanation - PtV is a shitty asspull that's one of Worm's worst flaws.
Why do I get the feeling that Taylor is probably going to end up emitting a passive healing field and thus fix Piggot's kidneys by the mere act of being in the same building as her
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Nah. The Director will make for an accidental prayer to Taylor so she could get into that bottle of Jack she has ...
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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Nah, Taylor didn't get the alcohol domain. Though that might fall under agriculture, not sure.
Iori_Angel
Kitten lover
That made me laugh!
If it doesn't fall under agriculture it should fall under industry and/or both
-just finished reading chapter 6-
ah damn she is attracted to guys, this dampens my hope for certain pairings ...unless...
-crosses fingers- please be bi, please be bi...
urk... this is poking holes in my hopes and dreams for a Bisexual goddess of fertility.
to be clear, I am not asking, hoping or expecting for smut, these hopes and dreams are all based on romance and fluff rather than sex.
ah damn she is attracted to guys, this dampens my hope for certain pairings ...unless...
-crosses fingers- please be bi, please be bi...
urk... this is poking holes in my hopes and dreams for a Bisexual goddess of fertility.
to be clear, I am not asking, hoping or expecting for smut, these hopes and dreams are all based on romance and fluff rather than sex.
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I personally think there's going to be no romance on account of excessive amounts of Fluff in quest.
It's not like she's in any sort of rush is it, and there's probably more pressing issues for the somewhat socially stunted person to deal with than diving into the deep end for a relationship.
oh I wasn't expecting deep diving into a committed relationships but these are teenagers so I would not be surprised if a date or 2 could pop up, also Taylor is a goddess, and if you have read mythology you will know that unless they have sworn a oath of chastity they inhabit the extremes of the culture they are derived from and Taylor is a part of 21st century america where non-confirmative relationships are starting to become normal and open publicly, hell I am pretty sure Legend was openly gay in worm.
I am not trying to say "this is how the author should do it" these are just thoughts, ideas and secret hopes as I read the story.
Noitaerc
(Nexus Force) (Assembly) (Verified Minifig)
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Possibility of one of Amaterasu's gifts to Taylor: She can turn into a fox (due to Inari) only with the color scheme of Ammy in Okami. A foreigner with a flute may come by to deliver a bronze mirror.
I also think that the new gods are going to appear all around the world, not just North America, unless there is a plan to get them in a group early on...
So you could get someone like Sleeper (if the name is accurate of him) be the equivalent to Dlul from Naheubeuk (it's kinda a French D&D parody, hilarious). Dlul is described as the 'chaotic' god of sleep and boredom. As you can guess, his followers and paladins are not the most active of people.
Example: The followers of multiple gods were assembled in one spot to stop/kill a party that unknowingly gave a man the last artifact needed to doom the world by putting everyone to sleep via divine ritual/summoning. When a fight broke out due to religious issues (it happens twice in the book), the followers of Dlul present (the same group was present at both fights) simply slept through the entire fight (and they were just next to it). I think they were the only ones to survive the second fight.
With the new inventions and concepts of this time, there are most likely new domains available. So you can get a minor god of street racing who starts coming into his own powers by drifiting down on Mt. Akina in Japan. Or a goddess of programming, A.I. and more in Dragon.
I also think that the new gods are going to appear all around the world, not just North America, unless there is a plan to get them in a group early on...
So you could get someone like Sleeper (if the name is accurate of him) be the equivalent to Dlul from Naheubeuk (it's kinda a French D&D parody, hilarious). Dlul is described as the 'chaotic' god of sleep and boredom. As you can guess, his followers and paladins are not the most active of people.
Example: The followers of multiple gods were assembled in one spot to stop/kill a party that unknowingly gave a man the last artifact needed to doom the world by putting everyone to sleep via divine ritual/summoning. When a fight broke out due to religious issues (it happens twice in the book), the followers of Dlul present (the same group was present at both fights) simply slept through the entire fight (and they were just next to it). I think they were the only ones to survive the second fight.
With the new inventions and concepts of this time, there are most likely new domains available. So you can get a minor god of street racing who starts coming into his own powers by drifiting down on Mt. Akina in Japan. Or a goddess of programming, A.I. and more in Dragon.
jwolfe_beta
Semi Genre-Savvy Overlord
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Problem with your idea is that Grounders10 has established in story that gods don't just 'pop up' like Taylor has. Her development got massively accelerated via the peach pushing her all the way from new-born demi-god to God in one go. Until shuch time that Taylor can make (or find any stored equilvalents) her own version of this power-up, any would-be gods have to develop the slow way. And that's aparently a process that can take decades/centuries.
eschwartz
Glorious Wordsmith and Author-Whisperer
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Well, at least Dragon could do that in AI years which are a lot faster.
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Said Demigoddess in the making would first need to have a certain moron tied down while GU tries to explain things.Well, at least Dragon could do that in AI years which are a lot faster.
Gear-2557
[Firing Solution Acquired]
You know I can't help but wonder if our young goddess will meet a kind but absent-minded janitor in the PRT hallways that keep calling her his assistant.
...hidden teachers in plain sight are practically a tradition. Just not on holidays, they're scared to a Fin.
...hidden teachers in plain sight are practically a tradition. Just not on holidays, they're scared to a Fin.