That still doesn't answer the question on how small the portal can be.

Doesn't matter MUCH to us ultimately, since we can eventually get SCIENCE! portals, but still would be nice to have a answer.
Honestly, it doesn't really matter how big it is. As long as it isn't outright microscopic it's still able to get madness through (and reduce the madness costs for a teleport spell, not that many people know that yet).
 
Does that just mean it has to be bigger than a micrometer? Or you mean it has to be just big enough to be visible (.1 mm)?
As an interesting note, with his current setup and efficiency level, this guy could actually power a portal to several light seconds out. I may need to rethink if you're the first magic user to bootstrap your own way to space.
 
As an interesting note, with his current setup and efficiency level, this guy could actually power a portal to several light seconds out. I may need to rethink if you're the first magic user to bootstrap your own way to space.
We MIGHT not be the first ones to the moon ( still very well could be, setting up AI that advanced is both really hard, and really expensive), but I'm rather certain no-one else has been to another planet. Ignoring that the closest we ever get to another planet (Venus, 126.8 light seconds) is still a long way away, the planets don't stay that close together, and actually doing anything on that other planet will be a tad hard, given it's inhospitable atmosphere.

Oh, and there's the fact that bridging a portal from a place with high atmosphere (relatively, atleast) to a place with no atmosphere is rather destructive, as the air pressure tries to level out. Whatever the size of the portal, from ocean level to vacuum would produce wind-currents exceeding the speed of sound.
 
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We MIGHT not be the first ones to the moon ( still very well could be, setting up AI that advanced is both really hard, and really expensive), but I'm rather certain no-one else has been to another planet. Ignoring that the closest we ever get to another planet (Venus, 126.8 light seconds) is still a long way away, the planets don't stay that close together, and actually doing anything on that other planet will be a tad hard, given it's inhospitable atmosphere.

Oh, and there's the fact that bridging a portal from a place with high atmosphere (relatively, atleast) to a place with no atmosphere is rather destructive, as the air pressure tries to level out. Whatever the size of the portal, from water level to vacum would produce wind-currents exceeding the speed of sound.
I am aware. Also, please remember that the architectures of an AI built to actually do something and one designed to maximize madness output is completely different.
 
I am aware. Also, please remember that the architectures of an AI built to actually do something and one designed to maximize madness output is completely different.
Completely different, but undoubtly still VERY complex, and requires a lot of processing power.

Though, I still wonder at what the heck is going on. Why did he break into X-Com, with DnD characters? Did the Computer become a Victim, and is doing it on it's own in it's madness?
 
Completely different, but undoubtly still VERY complex, and requires a lot of processing power.

Though, I still wonder at what the heck is going on. Why did he break into X-Com, with DnD characters? Did the Computer become a Victim, and is doing it on it's own in it's madness?
Quite bluntly, he wanted to get his hands on one of your creations to figure out how you'd managed such stupidly efficient and compact generator intelligences. This is due to a major case of wrong genre savvy, he thinks you're using magitech.
 
Because his Shadowrun group is only available on weekends.
Speaking of which, I wonder what the DnD guys think is happening. I'm fairly sure that our Laser guns don't make much sound, and neither did the Stun Grenade apparently, so the only things they could hear are the spells (which might also not be making much sound) and the guy shouting and bumping into stuff.
 
Where is everyone? It's been 3 hours since I posted my plan, and none of the regulars have said anything (well, except for Unelemental but he said one thing and left)

@Gunman @D.D. Spectator @Unelemental Where are you? And what are you opinions on this plan?
[] When the other Joes arrive, surround the house and litter it with Stun Grenades through each window, toss some everywhere, max coverage. During the resulting flash, 3 of the still cloaked joes are to proceed to the basement while the other 6 work on taking down the target.
 
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Where is everyone? It's been 3 hours since I posted my plan, and none of the regulars have said anything (well, except for Unelemental but he said one thing and left)

@Gunman @D.D. Spectator @Unelemental Where are you? And what are you opinions on this plan?
I felt like sitting on the sidelines for now. I'll jump in if I have a plan, joke, info, or I feel like you guys are acting stupid.
 
Do you see anything wrong with the plan? Even if you don't vote, you can criticize. Which is what I'm asking for, things I might not have considered, or alternate paths that might be better.
I say throw some grenades into the basement as well. Also, I say shoot some stun shots into each room to locate any power source or just weaken the guy by damaging his domain.
 
I say throw some grenades into the basement as well. Also, I say shoot some stun shots into each room to locate any power source or just weaken the guy by damaging his domain.
To do the basement bit would require us to already have guys down there, so we can handle that when we do have guys down there.
The power source is more than likely the computer in the basement. It's producing a LOT of madness, sparing some to power the house isn't unfeasible.
Damaging the house won't do anything besides maybe a distraction since his house is on fire, he's not powered by the house, he's powered by the computer in the basement.
 
To do the basement bit would require us to already have guys down there, so we can handle that when we do have guys down there.
The power source is more than likely the computer in the basement. It's producing a LOT of madness, sparing some to power the house isn't unfeasible.
Damaging the house won't do anything besides maybe a distraction since his house is on fire, he's not powered by the house, he's powered by the computer in the basement.
Wait, those he have some kind of outside entrance into his basement or couldn't we just have the Joes set guns to maximum and shoot down into the basement?
 
Wait, those he have some kind of outside entrance into his basement or couldn't we just have the Joes set guns to maximum and shoot down into the basement?
I assumed there was no outside entrance, but you know what they say about assuming
@I just write there is no outside basement entrance, correct?

While they probably could just shoot down, I was thinking it'd be better to take the stairs down. Would have to enter the house, and pass by the mage, but got it timed such that he will hopefully miss it, all the bright flashes and hopefully electric currents going through his body, not to mention all the other Joes around firing on him, should provide enough cover for the Basement Joes.
 
I was trying to think of something we'd missed before voting, but so far the plan seems okay. I mean, from the discussion and what we know, he's unlikely to teleport out somewhere we can't reach. Maybe he can stealth his way out with whatever crazy spells he has available, but he won't get far without power (once we shut off his Madness source) undetected. So,

[X] Trondason
 
I was trying to think of something we'd missed before voting, but so far the plan seems okay. I mean, from the discussion and what we know, he's unlikely to teleport out somewhere we can't reach. Maybe he can stealth his way out with whatever crazy spells he has available, but he won't get far without power (once we shut off his Madness source) undetected. So,

[X] Trondason
Even if he does get away, unless he goes truely remote he can't really hide. I'm already considering making a AI made for hacking into stuff, correlating online data to find people, and what-not, and trying to track down the guy who attacked us is just the motivation we would need. Especially since there is stuff in real life that does all that, and we have access to MUCH greater equipment and artificial intelligences.

And since I got at least one other person to sign off on it, I think it's good enough to go ahead and X it myself (especially since you are voting for me, it wouldn't work unless I was actually voting for it myself)

[X] When the other Joes arrive, surround the house and litter it with Stun Grenades through each window, toss some everywhere, max coverage. During the resulting flash, 3 of the still cloaked joes are to proceed to the basement while the other 6 work on taking down the target.
 
I was sleeping. At this point with him attempting to invade our base and using deadly force, I say we shoot to kill. Fuck everything else.
 
I won't go that far yet. He might be in possession of information hat we won't be able to recover from his computers. Given what he's accomplished so far, that might prove quite valuable.
 
I was sleeping. At this point with him attempting to invade our base and using deadly force, I say we shoot to kill. Fuck everything else.
He has info in his head we could use, at the very least. Ignoring that moving from Stun to Lethal on our pistols doesn't really raise the odds of us hitting him (damn shield), going lethal will also more than likely light the house on fire, not dangerous to the guy, but attracting all sorts of legal attention.

If shit still doesn't turn around soon, and something prevents us from cutting off his source of power in the basement, then I agree on lethal. Getting him is not worth losing our Joes.
 
I won't go that far yet. He might be in possession of information hat we won't be able to recover from his computers. Given what he's accomplished so far, that might prove quite valuable.
I'm mostly interested in stealing his knowledge on not just magic, but making machines that efficiently produce Madness. And possibly of other Technomancers/Torturers he knows of. The Sleep Learner is good for that. Scan his brain, take that knowledge, and put it in our head.
 
I'm mostly interested in stealing his knowledge on not just magic, but making machines that efficiently produce Madness. And possibly of other Technomancers/Torturers he knows of. The Sleep Learner is good for that. Scan his brain, take that knowledge, and put it in our head.

I'm fine with interrogating him -- in a shack in the boonies with no electronics around us for miles.
 
I assumed there was no outside entrance, but you know what they say about assuming
@I just write there is no outside basement entrance, correct?

While they probably could just shoot down, I was thinking it'd be better to take the stairs down. Would have to enter the house, and pass by the mage, but got it timed such that he will hopefully miss it, all the bright flashes and hopefully electric currents going through his body, not to mention all the other Joes around firing on him, should provide enough cover for the Basement Joes.
There's a bulkhead on the southeast side of the house.
 
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