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[1] Freedom Rain (2 years)
[2] The World's Lover
[3] Ever Present
[4] Tongues of Gold
[5] Freedom Rain - 1 year
[6] Freedom Rain
[7] The World's Lover (For science and ships)
[8] Freedom Rain - 2 year (some rest will be good)
[9] Tongues of Gold (maybe if the others don't work)


Total No. of Voters: 27

I'll be calling this on the hour.

Vote Closed
 
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Well. On the bright side, we'll be having this vote again in four turns.

I just hope that someone in the government reaches out to Amanda to ask her if she wants to meet the aliens.
 
Coda said:
Well. On the bright side, we'll be having this vote again in four turns.
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You're...actually going to be having it now, because the actions you'll probably want to start taking now with the aim of pursuing a Ministership without portfolio are quite different compared to the ones for putting together a sustainable funding system for a major research facility. That final (honest) vote stage will be out tonight.
 
Good good , singing leasons will resume and probably some tinkering. Now after this we just need to take Mary's Lover and we are good to go.
 
Snowfire said:
You're...actually going to be having it now, because the actions you'll probably want to start taking now with the aim of pursuing a Ministership without portfolio are quite different compared to the ones for putting together a sustainable funding system for a major research facility. That final (honest) vote stage will be out tonight.
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Eh.

I mean, I like the idea of a second vote, because I really, really think the "Unlimited resources, occasional politics" route of the Minister-without-portfolio is still more interesting and impactful than the "Moderate resources, no politics" route of the NGO-with-totally-not-embezzled-public-funds route, and this gives us hopeful few a second chance to make a first impression, but the votes are pretty commandingly against me at this point. Is there really much point in having a runoff between those two options?
 
SkyLing said:
Wait they are alive??? I throught all her siblings are dead.
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I don't think that many people have died at all? I mean, biological aging and disease are all basically things of the past for everyone. The only exception was those poor schlubs in the First Awakening who were too young to have gotten genuine Second Secret biological immortality back when that was available, and had their bodies "locked" into mortality by their Practice and were thus unable to benefit from Prologue.
 
TheEyes said:
I mean, I like the idea of a second vote, because I really, really think the "Unlimited resources, occasional politics" route of the Minister-without-portfolio is still more interesting and impactful than the "Moderate resources, no politics" route of the NGO-with-totally-not-embezzled-public-funds route, and this gives us hopeful few a second chance to make a first impression, but the votes are pretty commandingly against me at this point. Is there really much point in having a runoff between those two options?
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I don't think the results were THAT much of a landslide, and I think there's a good argument to make that removing the other options may influence some thinking, and there's a tendency for people to not modify their votes after they're cast despite additional information having been brought to light since then. I think there's a reasonably good chance that things could swing.

We should probably compile a condensed persuasive post to go with the announcement of the vote itself so that people are most likely to read it.
 
TheEyes said:
NGO-with-totally-not-embezzled-public-funds
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This has been nagging at me a little, so just to put it out there, it wouldn't be a private sector institution (as I've said before, there isn't a private sector in the Practice War verse). This would be a public sector organisation with a very broad mandate and relatively few strings simply because it would probably hoover up 90% of the truly brilliant (Mary-ish level) scientists in the world from simple momentum. In terms of legislation, it would be an extension of the Neverending Journey action chain.

Addressing the rest of your post, I can understand the desire to give the vote a rest, but...hrm. You have a point, to be fair. It just feels like you should have to put some setup time into this, given that people are definitely going to be asking what Amanda will be doing when she comes back from her sabbatical. Also...what @Coda just posted above, because it's a match to my view at present.
 
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Snowfire said:
This has been nagging at me a little, so just to put it out there, it wouldn't be a private sector institution (as I've said before, there isn't a private sector in the Practice War verse). This would be a public sector organisation with a very broad mandate and relatively few strings simply because it would probably hoover up 90% of the truly brilliant (Mary-ish level) scientists in the world from simple momentum. In terms of legislation, it would be an extension of the Neverending Journey action chain.

Addressing the rest of your post, I can understand the desire to give the vote a rest, but...hrm. You have a point, to be fair. It just feels like you should have to put some setup time into this, given that people are definitely going to be asking what Amanda will be doing when she comes back from her sabbatical. Also...what @Coda just posted above, because it's a match to my view at present.
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I think you might want to describe both options in more detail if you want more discussion about them.
 
So you know what I said about the vote dropping tonight? Probably not happening, some family on their last night up. Will work on it tomorrow for that evening, and I'll be aiming for a much more detailed description of what the two options involve.

Any questions people have on them would be very welcome.
 
Snowfire said:
So you know what I said about the vote dropping tonight? Probably not happening, some family on their last night up. Will work on it tomorrow for that evening, and I'll be aiming for a much more detailed description of what the two options involve.

Any questions people have on them would be very welcome.
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That might be a very good idea, because I was under the very distinct impression that The World's Lover was going to be something like a private sector NGO, mostly divorced from the centers of federal power except for sucking down funding from the government, rather like Boeing or Northrop in the real world, as opposed to Ever Present which would be more like a new governmental department. Now I guess they're not, which begs the question of exactly what each option really is doing.

As for the whole notion that "there is no private sector"... um, yeah, that doesn't correspond to the world you've developed so far. If 100% of the economy has been flowing through Amanda's office for the last ten years then we ought to have had far, far more fine-grained control over how everything is run; that is, after all, the central advantage of planned economies, which they earn by losing a lot of the decentralized responsiveness that a capitalist system allows.

Sigh, is this like your political system, isn't it, with the fundamental structural problems papered over "because Practice"? Did the Elder First make Practiced Command Economics along with Practiced Synarchical Governance?
 
I'll be white-water rafting over the weekend, so I have a sneaking suspicion I'll miss the entire stage-3 vote. If so, Snowfire, is there any chance you could record me as voting for Ever Present?

[X] Ever Present


Suggestion: the next President should keep Mary on as Science Minister.

Request, if possible: could the next President get elected six months early, so we can get them thoroughly up-to-speed and have as smooth a transition as possible? Or something like that?
 
TheEyes said:
As for the whole notion that "there is no private sector"... um, yeah, that doesn't correspond to the world you've developed so far. If 100% of the economy has been flowing through Amanda's office for the last ten years then we ought to have had far, far more fine-grained control over how everything is run; that is, after all, the central advantage of planned economies, which they earn by losing a lot of the decentralized responsiveness that a capitalist system allows.
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There's nothing saying we couldn't have had more fine-grained control if we had had reason to try, but I imagine that most of those powers get delegated to people with more specific knowledge/insight/experience about the subject instead of requiring the President herself to do it all. I imagine many of the options that came to us in the form of votes included things like economic plans that had already been ironed out before they landed on our desk, and then resolving all of the decisions would have been hashed out in congress afterward once emergency powers (read: "go as far into debt as necessary") were lifted.
 
TheEyes said:
That might be a very good idea, because I was under the very distinct impression that The World's Lover was going to be something like a private sector NGO, mostly divorced from the centers of federal power except for sucking down funding from the government, rather like Boeing or Northrop in the real world, as opposed to Ever Present which would be more like a new governmental department. Now I guess they're not, which begs the question of exactly what each option really is doing.
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One is a MInisterial position, with all the benefits and responsibilities that that implies. The other is a publicly funded research centre that is largely left to its own devices purely because of the sheer brain wattage concentrated inside of it. This is a simplification, but it's not a bad one.

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As for the whole notion that "there is no private sector"... um, yeah, that doesn't correspond to the world you've developed so far. If 100% of the economy has been flowing through Amanda's office for the last ten years then we ought to have had far, far more fine-grained control over how everything is run; that is, after all, the central advantage of planned economies, which they earn by losing a lot of the decentralized responsiveness that a capitalist system allows.

Sigh, is this like your political system, isn't it, with the fundamental structural problems papered over "because Practice"? Did the Elder First make Practiced Command Economics along with Practiced Synarchical Governance?
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I had a complicated explanation all ready to go, then I read @Coda's reply and realised that once again it was completely unnecessary. Seriously man, have you been stealing my notes or something?

To give a minor extension, the economy as a whole is primarily administrated by the Home Office to adapt to the plans of the government. Those resources are certainly accessible to Amanda, but they're channeled through an office that has spent the last fifty years learning how to make them work instead of dumping it all on the President. Congress has inputs in the budgetary process, and will push certain interests, but the major point of interaction is with the Home Office, not the Presidential.
 
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Snowfire said:
I had a complicated explanation all ready to go, then I read @Coda's reply and realised that once again it was completely unnecessary. Seriously man, have you been stealing my notes or something?
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I'm a software engineer by trade. Part of my job duties is to figure out what people mean when they haven't given me enough information about the matter at hand.

I'd like to think I'm good at my job. ;)
 
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