The Power(Harry Potter/The Gamer)

It's worth noting that serious protection was available immediately after the wards failed. The wards may be the best at what they do but they aren't the only game in town.

True. I noted that too.

I mentioned that, personally, a very valid case could be made for the Dursleys not being a better choice. I'd personally prefer Dumbledore.
 
Moreover, while Voldemort could believe in Dumbledore and Snape's assertions, it's very unlike him to not try.
By all indications, the Privet Drive wards are impenetrable to Voldemort. Suggesting otherwise requires assuming Voldemort didn't even try, that Dumbledore doesn't know what he's talking about/is evil, or other silly assumptions like that.

There is not one mention in canon of Voldemort trying. Why it is so unlike him not to try ? He was content to wait school year to kidnap Harry with Cup, playing with Harry for entire school year in dreams in OotP, attack of DEs at the end of HBP was against Dumbledore. Voldemort has other, more important problems to solve than one lazy teenager firmly on Dumbledore´s leash that "attacks" with Expelliarmus.

I could swear that it is accepted that Dumbledore was a man who made many mistakes and his mistakes were greater than mistakes of other people. Why it is so inconceivable that he is perhaps mistaken about sacrificial protection ?

If protections are impenetrable ONLY against Voldemort, isn´t this argument to quickly leave Privet Drive ?
 
There is not one mention in canon of Voldemort trying. Why it is so unlike him not to try ? He was content to wait school year to kidnap Harry with Cup, playing with Harry for entire school year in dreams in OotP, attack of DEs at the end of HBP was against Dumbledore. Voldemort has other, more important problems to solve than one lazy teenager firmly on Dumbledore´s leash that "attacks" with Expelliarmus.

I could swear that it is accepted that Dumbledore was a man who made many mistakes and his mistakes were greater than mistakes of other people. Why it is so inconceivable that he is perhaps mistaken about sacrificial protection ?

If protections are impenetrable ONLY against Voldemort, isn´t this argument to quickly leave Privet Drive ?
Man, you're persistent....

I'll quote Word of God for you.

Author's interview

here's the relevant bit -
Ani Morison for Sunday Star Times New Zealand - My question is why does Harry keep going back to the Dursleys, when he is closer to the Weasleys than he is to them?
JK Rowling: That has been explained in the books to an extent, it has been explained in the books but possibly you haven't yet finished this book when it is made very clear. Harry receives magical protection from his mother's sacrifice as long as he remains close to her blood. In other words, Aunt Petunia. That protection won't continue to hold once he is a man, once he turns 17 - he is no longer given that protective aura by his mother, so Dumbledore wants him to go back one more time to ensure the protection continues to his 17th birthday and after that he really is on his own.
 
I'd respond, but it's pretty clear you're set on this, and if you so strongly believe that no, the books are lying, @Brandark's even provided a WoG for you.

Also, the fact that Dumbledore does make mistakes (like literally every other person in the world) does not somehow make him prone to making mistakes. And Voldemort takes time in those cases because it behooves him to do so (he has a set plan in GoF, he doesn't give Harry dreams in OotP outside of the Sirius one which is a trap, those are a natural consequence of their connection; and Harry is pretty much safe in Hogwarts from Voldemort when Voldemort is outside it in HBP), which isn't the case here.

In any case:
If protections are impenetrable ONLY against Voldemort, isn´t this argument to quickly leave Privet Drive ?

I've already mentioned that I don't think the Dursleys are the best option. That being said, if the number one priority is 'protection against Voldemort', then they are the best option, this is simple fact, stated in the books and by WoG. You just have to determine if that is your priority, and the priority Harry would have.
 
One last question then. Word of God does not specify extent of that protection. Only against Voldemort or intent-based ?

Also, the fact that Dumbledore does make mistakes (like literally every other person in the world) does not somehow make him prone to making mistakes.

Hiring Quirell, Lockhart, Crouch Jr., hiding Stone in school, not doing anything to clear Sirius´ name, not doing anything against summary execution of Crouch Jr., not doing anything substantial to persuade Fudge, losing his political power like a novice in OotP, succumbing to curse on Ring Horcrux...

From my point of view, Dumbledore is most prone to making mistakes in HP.
 
One last question then. Word of God does not specify extent of that protection. Only against Voldemort or intent-based ?
It extends to other people who are tied to Voldemort, as well.

To be fair, Voldemort and his league of extraordinary assholes accounts for 95% of the antagonists who would do harm to Harry,.

As for the rare exceptions, well, the MoM is keeping the house under watch in this choice, aren't they?
I've already mentioned that I don't think the Dursleys are the best option. That being said, if the number one priority is 'protection against Voldemort', then they are the best option, this is simple fact, stated in the books and by WoG. You just have to determine if that is your priority, and the priority Harry would have.
Dumbledore would have been my first choice, to be honest. It allows somewhat less freedom of movement than the Dursleys, perhaps, but access to Dumbledore and Hogwarts more than makes up for it, in my opinion.

That said, the trenches have been dug already, and Dumbledore's fallen far behind. I'd prefer the Dursleys, much more than Madam Bones.
 
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Not a mistake. Kept Voldemort close, and he had Snape keep an eye on him in addition to that. He even set up a trap for him to deal with him.


One mistake, though an understandable one given Lockhart's credentials. And unlike what fanfiction would have you believe, there were no flaws or holes in his story in his books.


Another, but even more understandable - he was exactly like Moody, down to his idiosyncrasies.

hiding Stone in school,

Not a mistake, but a part of an overarching plan. Which did succeed, even though Harry's intervention was unexpected.

not doing anything to clear Sirius´ name,

What, the first time? At that time, Crouch went ahead and sent him to Azkaban without a trial, with Sirius not protesting his innocence nor appearing innocent in any manner. So, a mistake, but again one that made sense. The second time, he had no choice in the matter, given the Minister's decision.

not doing anything against summary execution of Crouch Jr.,

... How was this his fault? They went and Kissed the guy while he was somewhere else and unable to intercede.

not doing anything substantial to persuade Fudge,

He did do quite a bit to persuade Fudge. It just didn't manage anything, because Fudge had a good deal of issues and insecurity regarding Dumbledore, which colored their interactions and made him unwilling to accept Dumbledore's words.

losing his political power like a novice in OotP,

Uh, while a lot is made of Dumbledore's 'great political power' in fanfiction, in reality it's actually not that high in Britain. He's not a politician, nor has he participated in politics to a particularly great extent (and, in fact, has taken great pains to stay away from it because he can't trust himself with it), and the power of the press and the ministry was always on Fudge's side. Might as well blame Harry for not being able to outduel Snape.

succumbing to curse on Ring Horcrux...

Yep, an acknowledged mistake, but again an understandable one considering his backstory.

From my point of view, Dumbledore is most prone to making mistakes in HP.

Three actual, clear mistakes from your list. And many characters have done far, far more mistakes than he has, even if I treat every incident in your list as accurate (including Harry, Snape, etc.)
 
Just woke up and reading through things. First major issue I noticed and am responding to: Magic of the Multiverse adapts other spells to the Potterverse. This doesn't water them down. It just means those spells no longer use their former magic system. Your AD&D spells do exactly what they used to, just they cast MP and can be cast until you run out now, instead of requiring slots in a spellbook. Shield won't block AK, but that's because it only blocks magic missile, and provides a bit of protection otherwise. It doesn't block a lightning bolt or fireball spell, or any other spell higher level than magic missile(which AK would be if it were a D&D spell.)

So spells from outside sources will mostly work the way they do(numbers might be tweaked slightly to bring them more in line with where I think they should be in regards to the quest. A spell from a game that causes 1000 damage at level 1, because everyone has 10000 HP at level 1, wouldn't do that much here). But otherwise they work as they do in their source.
 
Current tally.

Vote tally:
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Move or stay?
[X] Stay with the Dursleys, but with the MoM watching them for incidents.
No. of votes: 17
veekie, drake_azathoth, Demonlorddraco91, Sol Mark-1, The Zog, R. E. Lee, Fredo, SometimesMaybe, Zaratustra, Larekko12, Celestrail, Brandark, pinkturnip, Daniel14541, Reklaw, Carrnage, AZATHOTHoth

-[X] Specifically, by putting on an expansion to the house and arranging a wizarding lodger willing to tone down their magic. A muggleborn, perhaps, or someone who has a lot of experience with the muggle world...
No. of votes: 1
drake_azathoth

[x] Move in with...
No. of votes: 14
yinko, JeffJway, Crazy7s1, Silversun17, Void Stalker, Den18, skaro, Lalzparty, Blue Odin, GulibleLeprecon, inirlan, Atri, edmantgoog, Edkose

-[x] Madam Bones
No. of votes: 13
yinko, JeffJway, Crazy7s1, Silversun17, Void Stalker, Den18, skaro, Lalzparty, Blue Odin, GulibleLeprecon, inirlan, Atri, edmantgoog

-[X] Hagrid! He's awesome!
No. of votes: 1
Edkose

[X] Ask Dumbledore what kind of protection the Dursleys provide.
No. of votes: 11
Kerfirou, Torgamous, Enjou, Dr. Bob Doom, solodark28, NavySeel, Kliden, DragonParadox, FireAsh, Tylonius, Myrzael

-[X] If the answer is satisfactory, stay with them.
No. of votes: 9
Kerfirou, Torgamous, Enjou, Dr. Bob Doom, solodark28, NavySeel, Kliden, DragonParadox, Tylonius

-[X] If the answer is satisfactory, stay with them but request for the ability to legally perform magic out of school and have a document that proves this so that they wont try to attack you.
No. of votes: 1
FireAsh

-[X] If the answer is not, stay with Madam Bones.
No. of votes: 10
Kerfirou, Torgamous, Enjou, Dr. Bob Doom, solodark28, NavySeel, Kliden, DragonParadox, FireAsh, Tylonius

[X] What... What would emancipation take? 10 int required(And you have it after point distribution)
No. of votes: 5
CatScannerDarkly, burningclaw2, WorldSlayer, Trondason, Myrzael

-[X] Stay over with your friend Neville until you decide to get a new place.
No. of votes: 1
WorldSlayer

[X] Ask Dumbledore what kind of protection the Dursleys provide.[sarcasm]Since they did such a great job protecting me.[/sarcasm]
No. of votes: 1
WCSII

-[X] If the answer is satisfactory for all, stay with them.
No. of votes: 1
WCSII

-[X] If the answer is not satisfactory for all, stay with Madam Bones.
No. of votes: 1
WCSII

D&D Spell Picks
[X] Speak with Animals
No. of votes: 26
veekie, drake_azathoth, Kerfirou, Demonlorddraco91, R. E. Lee, Den18, Enjou, Dr. Bob Doom, AZATHOTHoth, skaro, Lalzparty, solodark28, Alanek, Blue Odin, GulibleLeprecon, Kliden, Fredo, SometimesMaybe, Zaratustra, WorldSlayer, Larekko12, Celestrail, WCSII, edmantgoog, ArchRegis, Crazy7s1

[X] Detect Evil
No. of votes: 7
veekie, skaro, Alanek, SometimesMaybe, Zaratustra, Larekko12, Celestrail

[X] Animal Friendship
No. of votes: 6
Kerfirou, Demonlorddraco91, Enjou, AZATHOTHoth, Kliden, WCSII

[X] Command
No. of votes: 6
R. E. Lee, Den18, Dr. Bob Doom, Lalzparty, solodark28, Fredo

[X] Jump
No. of votes: 2
ArchRegis, Crazy7s1

[X] Shield
No. of votes: 2
The Zog, Brandark

[X] Change Self
No. of votes: 1
drake_azathoth

[X] Burning Hands
No. of votes: 1
The Zog

[X] Cure Light Wounds
No. of votes: 2
Void Stalker, GulibleLeprecon

[X] Detect Magic
No. of votes: 1
Void Stalker

[X]Hypnotism
No. of votes: 1
Blue Odin

[X] Feather Fall
No. of votes: 1
WorldSlayer

[X]Unseen Servant
No. of votes: 1
edmantgoog

[X] Purify Food and Drink
No. of votes: 1
Myrzael

[X]Magic Missile
No. of votes: 2
Brandark, Myrzael

Pick a Musical Instrument, you gits.
[X] Flute
No. of votes: 1
Enjou

[X] Guitar
No. of votes: 1
Kliden

Other...
[X] Keep on observing...
No. of votes: 1
Daniel14541

A few requests...
1. If you want a standard option, please copy the existing option rather than doing a lazy quick write-in version of the same damn thing. Merging the two is a pain in the ass.
2. Please keep write-in variants to a minimum. Again, makes things harder to read, breaks up the votes, etc.
3. Please add an instrument to your vote if you haven't. That's most of you. We have the Bard skill and it's asking us to pick one.
4. @Brandark, @Myrzael - We already have Magic Missile, you gits. Pick something else. :p

As far as the options, the Dursleys are currently winning. Those of you voting for the Bones option may want to switch to the "Ask Dumbledore" write-in. He'll either give straight answers or he won't, but I'd bet on the latter knowing him.
 
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Question about Magic of the Multiverse: what actually qualifies a book as being a valid target for it? Is there any reason we couldn't write our own book series with a fictional magic system and then devour that, for example? Or a manual for a homebrew unpublished rpg, or short story scribbled in the margins of our homework, and so on?
 
[X] Stay with the Dursleys, but with the MoM watching them for incidents.
[X] Cure Light Wounds
[X] Detect Evil

[Q] Is mayonnaise an instrument?
[X] Violin
 
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Okay! Let's tackle some of this!

if we get a portkey to Japan we may be able to eat Re-monster and similar mangas , tought this is unlikely since we had to change from D&D 3.5 to AD&D (am I the only one who would prefer the former ?)

I prefer 3.5 myself, however due to the time that Harry Potter takes place, 3.5 doesn't exist yet, so Harry couldn't DEVO-ah... Gain skills from it.

An Owl with an exploding letter address to Lord Potter (Since we ARE Lord Potter, it'll work) since by emancipating ourselves, the Post redirect Ward from Dumbles will fall.


Lord Potter, the BWL, is a public figure with seats and rights and whatnot and the emancipation makes him MORE a public figure, since an emancipated 11 year old IS news (and thus will be discussed and commented about in the Prophet for days) as opposed to a student who just happens to be the BWL (which wasn't even announced in the papers that we was at Hogwarts)


In canon, he was just a boy, not worth his time yet, not Lord Potter, BWL and Emancipated 11-year old who rejected Dumbles' protection. Maybe you're right, but a target that is highlighting himself is a bigger target.

Ron was jealous just because of a broom or just becuase of a submission of a name into a death match. Emancipated Harry has VAULTS OF GOLD, PROPERTIES and SEATS on the Wizagamot. that would be Jeaousy x1000000000. Hermione doesn't care, but there would still be a divide. Just because you're friends with, say, the Duke of Cambridge doesn't mean you are worried about offending the Heir to the Throne with your Common-ness.
Fine. Screw Ron. But it may affect the others (not Luna or Neville, but maybe others)

1) What owl redirect ward? Such was never once mentioned in Harry Potter. I'm sure it and the lack of it would have come up in book 7 if it existed. Sure, you'd think that people would try writing to a famous figure, but it could be that after not getting any replies to the first hundred letters(because the Dursleys burned them) they stopped, and thus Harry entered the realm of fantasy.

2) There is no Lord Potter. Harry Potter is Harry Potter, Boy-Who-Lived. Never once is the Potter family mentioned to be lords of anything, anywhere except fanfiction.

3) What vaults of gold? He has a vault of gold which he already has access to. There's no mention of some mysterious Family Vaults outside of fan works. He's not the heir to a billion different bloodlines. I may, down the line, make such options purchasable traits, but it would be more for the family heritage related stuff. Magical portraits of ancestors, family heirlooms and the like. Let's face it, with your gamer power you don't need to inherit money. And with your inventory you don't need vaults for it.

@Halpo133 can we teach our D&D spells to regular wizards?

Because if the answer is yes I suspect the Ministry will pay a lot for Comprehend Languages and maybe some of them others too depending on their limitations.

No. No you cannot. What you can do, however, is pick up the Write spell, use that to scribe spells to scrolls, and then one other can learn from that scroll. If you want more to know, other scrolls would have to be made.

Question about Magic of the Multiverse: what actually qualifies a book as being a valid target for it? Is there any reason we couldn't write our own book series with a fictional magic system and then devour that, for example? Or a manual for a homebrew unpublished rpg, or short story scribbled in the margins of our homework, and so on?

It has to be printed and published and of a certain, undefined length. So no self-written books, no homebrew RPGs, no short stories.
 
[X] Ask Dumbledore what kind of protection the Dursleys provide.
-[X] If the answer is satisfactory, stay with them.
-[X] If the answer is not, stay with Madam Bones.

From a meta standpoint, the Dursleys are the best option as far as protection goes, but Harry doesn't know this IC. He is a neglected kid who is being given the opportunity to leave his shitty relatives. I imagine most kids in that situation would jump at the chance. Still, Dumbledore has brought up the topic of protection, and a curious kid like Harry would at least want to know what he means by that. So I vote to let Dumbledore try and convince him that staying is the best option; if he can't, I don't see Harry choosing to stay.

As for the spells:
[X] Detect Evil
Is too useful not to have.
[X] Speak with Animals
I could try and justify this as very useful and all, but the truth is I just want a conversation between Harry and Hedwig.
 
No. No you cannot. What you can do, however, is pick up the Write spell, use that to scribe spells to scrolls, and then one other can learn from that scroll. If you want more to know, other scrolls would have to be made.

So no cash cow but we could theoretically teach stuff like Spell Resistance to Aurors (technically that would give a chance to resist even the Unforgevables)
 
[X] Ask Dumbledore what kind of protection the Dursleys provide.
-[X] If the answer is satisfactory, stay with them.
-[X] If the answer is not, stay with Madam Bones.
[X] Detect Evil
[X] Speak with Animals
[X] Flute
 
Not a mistake. Kept Voldemort close, and he had Snape keep an eye on him in addition to that. He even set up a trap for him to deal with him.



One mistake, though an understandable one given Lockhart's credentials. And unlike what fanfiction would have you believe, there were no flaws or holes in his story in his books.



Another, but even more understandable - he was exactly like Moody, down to his idiosyncrasies.



Not a mistake, but a part of an overarching plan. Which did succeed, even though Harry's intervention was unexpected.



What, the first time? At that time, Crouch went ahead and sent him to Azkaban without a trial, with Sirius not protesting his innocence nor appearing innocent in any manner. So, a mistake, but again one that made sense. The second time, he had no choice in the matter, given the Minister's decision.



... How was this his fault? They went and Kissed the guy while he was somewhere else and unable to intercede.



He did do quite a bit to persuade Fudge. It just didn't manage anything, because Fudge had a good deal of issues and insecurity regarding Dumbledore, which colored their interactions and made him unwilling to accept Dumbledore's words.



Uh, while a lot is made of Dumbledore's 'great political power' in fanfiction, in reality it's actually not that high in Britain. He's not a politician, nor has he participated in politics to a particularly great extent (and, in fact, has taken great pains to stay away from it because he can't trust himself with it), and the power of the press and the ministry was always on Fudge's side. Might as well blame Harry for not being able to outduel Snape.



Yep, an acknowledged mistake, but again an understandable one considering his backstory.



Three actual, clear mistakes from your list. And many characters have done far, far more mistakes than he has, even if I treat every incident in your list as accurate (including Harry, Snape, etc.)

So it is okay to endanger students of Hogwarts in order to keep (possibly) eye on Voldemort. Hermione and Harry almost died because of this "not mistake". And what did Dumbledore do with his knowledge of existance of Voldemort´s wrath ?

Lockhart "knew" spell to cure werewolves (Homorphous ?). He botched all spells except Obliviate he cast in CoS. Maybe Dumbledore could have asked him for a little practical demonstration of his glowing credentials...

Dumbledore is Chief Warlock, head of highest court in country. It is his DUTY to make sure to clear wrongfully imprisoned and to prevent summary executions. Or is he just a useless incompetent puppet ?

This is great. Dumbledore can´t trust himself with politics, that is why he is Supreme Mugwump and Chief Warlock right ? In these positions he certainly does not deal with political matters and he is not politician, right ?
 
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2) There is no Lord Potter. Harry Potter is Harry Potter, Boy-Who-Lived. Never once is the Potter family mentioned to be lords of anything, anywhere except fanfiction.
I always found the concept really stupid, not least of which because the idea of a family with the name Potter being ancestral lords just sounds unlikely. I think most of the supposition comes from Dorea having married into the family and Sirius hanging out with James, but if the Blacks were on the top of the social pile, they would have had to marry into potential up and comers to stay there, so it makes sense. Probably the same reason why Bellatrix and Narcissa married who they did.
 
[X] Ask Dumbledore what kind of protection the Dursleys provide.
-[X] If the answer is satisfactory, stay with them.
-[X] If the answer is not, stay with Madam Bones.
[X] Detect Evil
[X] Speak with Animals
[X] Flute
 
It has to be printed and published and of a certain, undefined length. So no self-written books, no homebrew RPGs, no short stories.

Once we reach Int 50 will we be able to create custom mana-shaping spells like in canon Gamer? Maybe allow us to make variants of certain spells? (I like Missile Storm spells that allow for multiple Magic Missiles to be cast at once, but those are homebrew - I could see the Gamer ability creating one by repeatedly casting Magic Missile in quick succession)
 
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