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The Power(Harry Potter/The Gamer)

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Yeah, yeah. You have your interpretation I have mine.

I go by the evidence shown on screen and I DON'T believe Snape's memories he showed Harry; frankly I didn't find it believable that the Marauders were completely at fault. Much like the Weasley twins who emulate them they played pranks and weren't all out bullies. Otherwise everyone wouldn't have nothing but good things to say about them.

Snape has a tremendous amount of bias because James got the girl he wanted and obsessed over. According to him Harry is evidence that he got passed over for something he wanted more than anything else. Which is why he treats Harry like shit.
 
It doesn't help that in Severus, and many readers really, see that the Bully did all the shit against him and got away with it. There was no comeuppance, no reparations, not even a fucking apology and in the end his bully and arch nemesis ended up banging his best friend and possible love interest.
 
Godogma said:
The thing is Snape was NOT innocent; I don't trust any memory that was left laying out in a pensieve for Harry to find. (How convenient! The singular MOST private person in the tale leaves out memories for Harry to find... That can't be a setup! /sarcasm)
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Snape is not an innocent victim no. As you say, he was the one who told Voldemort the prophecy. He is not a fool, so he must have known Voldemort would seek to kill the enemy spoken off in the prophecy, an innocent child. And I think he only regretted it once he realised that Voldemort might go after Lily. Compared to that, whatever happened at school (other than Sirius trying to murder him) is IMHO insignificant. And that does not count what other acts Snape did as Voldemorts follower. Perhaps he does not believe in the pureblood propaganda, but he still worked for Voldemort.

That being said, I figure redemption is possible. Whether Snape has done enough to earn his? Dunno. Ultimately we don't know the full extent of his crimes. He might be a horrific killer who slaughted thousands of muggles before hearing the prophecy and turning. Or he might never have killed any innocent and been a totally new DE that was not yet pushed into any major evil out of fear that he might have second thoughts and run. Or do we know? I admit not the best expert on all the precise canon details. If not, lot depends on GM.

I will say that I don't buy Enjous idea that him being able to feel "true love" would somehow automatically redeem him. Evil people can feel love just as well as anyone.

He better have more to offer than that.

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On another subject, Enjou makes a point about Quirrell. He should indeed show up as Evil with a major capital E so big that we have instant IC reason to investigate.

That being said, do we know if Quirrell was actually evil? I can't recall if he was an evil bastard all along, or if he basically only became evil after Voldemort possessed/fused with him (after which any pro-Voldemort agenda might not be of his own free will?).

How would someone like that show up on Detect Evil anyway? Would his head (where Voldemorts hanging around) glow a lot more evil than the rest of his body or what?
 
Godogma said:
Except in this Snape doesn't have unreasonable stupid hatred. We're now Neutral with Snape and have been since the Apothecary scene.
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I know. It was just a joke. :p

DragonParadox said:
True but I suspect our escapade and the resulting boost in Harry's fame will undo a lot of that good will. Not to mention that this will get Sirius Black out of Azbacan. He and Snape do not have a pleasant history together.
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Actually, I always got the impression (and I think it was basically outright said) that Snape's biggest issue was that he didn't think Harry deserved to be treated like a hero (and again, at that point he didn't know how Harry was really treated at the time). In all honesty, since here he knows how Harry has been treated and can see just how much effort Harry is putting into his studies, and since he'll see just how great at potions Harry is, I can easily see Harry becoming his favorite student. With Harry's ability and drive, and Snape lacking that initial bad impression and anger, I could see him becoming something of a mentor.
 
Snape got his rocks off bullying children who couldn't do anything about it. In all houses save his own; Gryffindor's the most.

Frankly he's going to detect as Neutral Evil at BEST to detect evil if we ever use it around him.
 
Datakim said:
Snape is not an innocent victim no.
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He seemed to have been an innocent victim before he joined the Death Eaters, is the main thing. What James Potter did to him was in no way excused, which is why people can be sympathetic for the bullying he endured.

Datakim said:
I will say that I don't buy Enjous idea that him being able to feel "true love" would somehow automatically redeem him. Evil people can feel love just as well as anyone.

He better have more to offer than that.
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I didn't say that it redeemed him, it is simply a redeeming quality that is a major part of his character. His love for Lily Potter is one of the primary motivators for his actions, even long after she's dead. Severus is also able to cast a corporeal Patronus, which is a good sign of him being not evil as Dark Wizards are usually not able to cast it (though they don't really need to, since Dementors actually like Dark Wizards), so again I find it unlikely he'd register as being evil, or at the very worst would only register as slightly evil. Remember that Dumbledore has been working with the man for years, and the old coot has been working on the man's redemption during that time.

Datakim said:
On another subject, Enjou makes a point about Quirrell. He should indeed show up as Evil with a major capital E so big that we have instant IC reason to investigate.

That being said, do we know if Quirrell was actually evil? I can't recall if he was an evil bastard all along, or if he basically only became evil after Voldemort possessed/fused with him (after which any pro-Voldemort agenda might not be of his own free will?).

How would someone like that show up on Detect Evil anyway? Would his head (where Voldemorts hanging around) glow a lot more evil than the rest of his body or what?
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I suspect Quirrell as he is now would show up as evil on his own - he willingly sought out Voldemort in order to gain power so none would laugh at him ever again, allowing himself to be corrupted. Even if he doesn't, I would suspect it would work as I suspect it would work on Snape - Snape's Dark Mark would glow evil, and Quirrell's head would glow evil. If Quirrell glows evil, I imagine the back of his head will glow more so.
 
Godogma said:
Snape got his rocks off bullying children who couldn't do anything about it. In all houses save his own; Gryffindor's the most.

Frankly he's going to detect as Neutral Evil at BEST to detect evil if we ever use it around him.
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Most of his outright bullying (as opposed to favoritism) was around Harry alone. And where it really counted (fighting Voldemort) he was a hero and indeed he died a hero at the last. So while I agree that he may register as Evil now I think he is ultimately on the road to redemption.
 
DragonParadox said:
Most of his outright bullying (as opposed to favoritism) was around Harry alone. And where it really counted (fighting Voldemort) he was a hero and indeed he died a hero at the last. So while I agree that he may register as Evil now I think he is ultimately on the road to redemption.
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*shrug* I couldn't give a shit less about "redemption" he got both Harry's parents killed, he willingly joined the DE's, there's no telling what crimes he committed while with them and a few good acts does not mean he's a hero. It means he was horrified by what he witnessed, sure I'll buy that...

Or he was pissed off and wanted revenge because Voldemort targeted Lily; we frankly were not given enough information to make an informed opinion other than the fact he gets off on Bullying kids. He may have died heroically, but many of the details from his point of view I just don't buy.

Especially the memories left in the pensieve for Harry to find; he's the singular most private character in the series so them being conveniently left out I just don't buy.

Which means the details of exactly what the Marauders may or may not have done to him are suspect as well.
 
Godogma said:
*shrug* I couldn't give a shit less about "redemption" he got both Harry's parents killed, he willingly joined the DE's, there's no telling what crimes he committed while with them and a few good acts does not mean he's a hero. It means he was horrified by what he witnessed, sure I'll buy that...

Or he was pissed off and wanted revenge because Voldemort targeted Lily; we frankly were not given enough information to make an informed opinion other than the fact he gets off on Bullying kids. He may have died heroically, but many of the details from his point of view I just don't buy.

Especially the memories left in the pensieve for Harry to find; he's the singular most private character in the series so them being conveniently left out I just don't buy.

Which means the details of exactly what the Marauders may or may not have done to him are suspect as well.
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I disagree with your interpretation of the character. He was very angry with Harry at witnessing his humiliation and I can't imagine him orchestrating that (caring that much about Harry's opinion compared with his pride really) so I do take that memory at face value.

That said this is getting off topic so I think we should stop.
 
DragonParadox said:
I disagree with your interpretation of the character. He was very angry with Harry at witnessing his humiliation and I can't imagine him orchestrating that (caring that much about Harry's opinion compared with his pride really) so I do take that memory at face value.

That said this is getting off topic so I think we should stop.
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Or he set the whole thing up to MANIPULATE Harry in the first place and ruin his opinion of his father and his father's friends.

But yeah, I'll drop the subject.
 
Have a question why couldn't we cast a Sticking Charm on the floor? Wouldn't this be easier to catch him with?
He wouldn't be able to move easily in either forms without ripping his skin off making it easier to follow him.
 
Oh good, you managed to rein things in yourselves...meaning I won't be infracting anyone. That said, try to stay on topic.

That aside...do try to remember that (in some settings) Detect Evil can misread if the target's aura has been altered, regardless of their actual alignment. The Dark Mark or simple use of Dark Magic could potentially make a Good character ping Evil.

I'm not following the quest at this time, so you may have already cleared that up, but it would be unfortunate if you misread someone due to magical unreliability.
 
AZATHOTHoth said:
Have a question why couldn't we cast a Sticking Charm on the floor? Wouldn't this be easier to catch him with?
He wouldn't be able to move easily in either forms without ripping his skin off making it easier to follow him.
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It would depend on whether the spell would work on the floor itself and make the floor stick to everything currently touching it, or if the spell only works on objects and the floor wouldn't count as one. (the object the spell is cast on would stick to the floor, but the floor itself would not necessarily be a valid target OR only the part of the floor hit would actually have the spell apply to it)

The wiki just say 'object' but it's entirely possible the spell could work like that. Then again, the floor could count as an object I suppose, but like with the Room Sealing Charm it might take more magic. In that case it'd either be all or nothing (a lot of magic to cause the floor to become sticky so that everything touching it can't be removed) or it could be variable and putting in more magic would let you make a larger section of the floor sticky.

@Halpo133 - Could we have a ruling?
 
Maybe if Harry can find a copy of Palladium's Rifts, then he could learn the Carpet of Adhesion spell (AoE sticking charm, basically).

Rifts came out in 1990, so it's already been out for about a year. And my oh my does it have a lot of neat stuff. I'll try to put together a list when I get back in tonight.
 
Trying to list all the possible skills and spells you can get from the Rifts books available in 1991 is gonna drive you insane mate. :p

But there are lots of cool possibilities there; ranging from Technomancer stuff on up... MP and PPE are close enough for them to be even easier to use than D&D spells conversion...
 
Kerrus said:
Maybe if Harry can find a copy of Palladium's Rifts, then he could learn the Carpet of Adhesion spell (AoE sticking charm, basically).

Rifts came out in 1990, so it's already been out for about a year. And my oh my does it have a lot of neat stuff. I'll try to put together a list when I get back in tonight.
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Maybe, but unfortunately that doesn't help us solve our current problem.
 
Datakim said:
On another subject, Enjou makes a point about Quirrell. He should indeed show up as Evil with a major capital E so big that we have instant IC reason to investigate.

That being said, do we know if Quirrell was actually evil? I can't recall if he was an evil bastard all along, or if he basically only became evil after Voldemort possessed/fused with him (after which any pro-Voldemort agenda might not be of his own free will?).

How would someone like that show up on Detect Evil anyway? Would his head (where Voldemorts hanging around) glow a lot more evil than the rest of his body or what?
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It's suggested that originally Quirrell was a decent person, but was manipulated by Voldie, and warped into being his mostly willing servant. The comment about having problems following Voldie's instructions is what indicates this, at least to me.

Kerrus said:
Maybe if Harry can find a copy of Palladium's Rifts, then he could learn the Carpet of Adhesion spell (AoE sticking charm, basically).

Rifts came out in 1990, so it's already been out for about a year. And my oh my does it have a lot of neat stuff. I'll try to put together a list when I get back in tonight.
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Actually, the Palladium RPG came out in the mid-80's, with Rifts being more a spin-off.
Uses the same system, and mostly the same abilities, with an expanded OCC and RCC list.
 
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Good point. I'm just reading up on the spell list now, and it's pretty neat. Fifteen levels, a decent selection of spells ranging from low powered but incredibly useful (blinding flash) to the really useful in the right situation (Tongues/Eyes of Thoth - Speak/Comprehend all languages) to the obscenely useful utility/combat spell (Anti-magic cloud).

Notably, it has effective duplicates of two of the Unforgivables- Domination, a fourth level spell, and Agony, a sixth level spell. There's no equivalent to the killing curse, although there IS a 15th level spell that can transform an unwilling human into an unspeakable abomination of a killing machine who will only follow your orders.
 
Kerrus said:
Notably, it has effective duplicates of two of the Unforgivables- Domination, a fourth level spell, and Agony, a sixth level spell. There's no equivalent to the killing curse, although there IS a 15th level spell that can transform an unwilling human into an unspeakable abomination of a killing machine who will only follow your orders.
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There's no "Power Word- Kill" equivalent?
 
EasyCo said:
But, we don't need to be running anywhere. He does. If we all stick to the floor, then that gives us all the time in the world to cast all the spells we need, and then when help arrives (or after just knocking him out), we simply undo the spell.
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If that works then thats obviously THE solution. Stop him in his tracks, then stun/transform/etc. No rolling required.

However I wonder if the charm we have really works like that? A spell that could be cast on the ground itself to to basically instantly immobilize everyone standing on said ground as an AoE seems really powerfull for a 2nd year spell.

If it does work like that, it leads to an obvious question? Why does no one use this basic spell like that in the many chase scenes in the books/movies or to stop people from moving/dodging?

I suspect that to stick Pettigrew to the floor with that level of spell, we would have to hit Pettigrew himself, not the floor he is walking on. Still, if GM says otherwise, we should all obviously change our votes.
 
Very little common sense is shown on the part of wizards in the books/movies. It's quite simple.

Major Plotholes come up because JKR never considered the implications of what stuff would do if it was in the world/used the macguffin of the year and tossed it when it was over. IE Veritaserum which should be used in all court cases and yet all those DE's walked...
 
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