In that case,
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] Treasury (Extra -Wealth) (up to 2) (Will upset the Merchant Faction)
[X] Fortifications (up to 2) (Pleases Military Faction)
[X] Gardens and Grounds (up to 2) (Pleases Royal Family)
[X] Grand Court (up to 3) (Pleases All Faction Leaders and Royal Family)
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
Does Grand Construction give us all the enhancements, or does it leave some out?
edit: We probably don't have the time to build the palace slowly. For the Wonder!
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] Treasury (Extra -Wealth) (up to 2) (Will upset the Merchant Faction)
[X] Fortifications (up to 2) (Pleases Military Faction)
[X] Gardens and Grounds (up to 2) (Pleases Royal Family)
[X] Grand Court (up to 3) (Pleases All Faction Leaders and Royal Family)
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
Does Grand Construction give us all the enhancements, or does it leave some out?
edit: We probably don't have the time to build the palace slowly. For the Wonder!
The Grand Construction does all sorts of wacky shit, but it's best not to view it in terms of the other choices at all.
For one thing... You'll see kings rise and fall before it's done. I'm not talking significant time commitment lightly, here. This is a grandiose dream that Kings will pass on to Princes, who will pass it on to their Princes. The level of city planning involved in this will be on par with conspiracy theories on alien involvement.
Priests will be consulted as architects to shape the streets and districts, astrologers will have cairns and parks specially shaped, and philosophers will delve into accidents of rudimentary sociology to make every inch as pleasing to the eye as possible. Artisans will toil for decades, possibly a century, just to keep the construction effort from halting for years at a time. Every home will be the pinnacle of design. Maye would not be a city, it would be a palace hundreds of miles wide, and it's peoples would not be citizens, they would be servants, they would be guards, they would be bureaucrats, and they would be Royal.
The extra costs aren't vague for any reason other than that it would be absurd to try to calculate them.
Frankly I'm not even sure what fey mood I was under that made me think this was even remotely within the realm of something someone would reasonably think to create.
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
And of course people are going for the 'might break your nation with the costs' option when we've already been told that the law reform might end up breaking our nation if we aren't careful...
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
With the QM having second thoughts about how the most expensive version can be paid for and with a century long expected build time i do not think we can afford to build it.
[X] Armory (Extra -Wealth) (up to 2) (Pleases Military Faction)
- A place where the finest blacksmiths craft the finest weapons for the finest warriors in the kingdom.
With part of the power in the hand of the military having a royal army is a must for control
[X] Grand Court (up to 3) (Pleases All Faction Leaders and Royal Family)
[X] Grand Court (up to 3) (Pleases All Faction Leaders and Royal Family) x2
- Expands the plans for King's Chambers, separating it into specialized halls for petitioners, visiting dignitaries, and daily business, and greatly expanding the areas reserved for boarding bureaucrats to include petitioners' quarters, state rooms, and more specialized record-keeping libraries.
This is why palaces where build in real life so it should be a part of ours
[X] Treasury (Extra -Wealth) (up to 2) (Will upset the Merchant Faction)
- A vault and official Mint. Along with an official ban on the destruction or duplication of the Mint's specially stamped currency, this will provide the crown with a means to control the flow of goods in it's sphere of influence more finely, as well as a guaranteed ready source of funds in any situation.
This intoduces coins as a way of payment instead of pieces of metal making cheating your taxes a lot harder as paying with 5% to light pieces of metal might be hard to spot but coins missing parts is noticed a lot easier.
And of course people are going for the 'might break your nation with the costs' option when we've already been told that the law reform might end up breaking our nation if we aren't careful...
There is also the idea that the Palace should have a military focus with administration links. like a 1 military focus, and 1 more military focus, and x2 main hall focus. To better handle the Law Reforms and not explode our civ on us, but that is just what I'm thinking from reading the law reform post.
Anyways, very true, but there is so much to gain. I see the city/palace as a project that all the people of this civ would get behind on to make a reality.
If this works we get a city/palace with no restrictions on the upgrades due to limited space, and truly show the Maye are mighty! If this gambit fails due to breaking under the immense time it will take to complete, we shatter spectacularly.
I wouldn't take this option if I had some kind of confirmation it would still be possible later, but this is the kind of mad scheme that is better to try early instead of later. Would also make this civ quest a unique one.
- A picture
*A vast desert of sand and ruined building husks*
"Crashed the civ to make the city/palace, only the termites remember you"
Truly, a unique civ.
- A picture
*A mighty city that is well structured for it's time in prehistory resembling the ruins in South america of the geometric planned city types*
"Built the civ to stand through thousands of years. Sadly, nobody can find you."
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?)
LET THE BARBARIAN FOREIGNERS LOOK UPON OUR GLORY AND FALL TO THEIR KNEES IN DESPAIR.
[X] [Slots] The Palace should be enormous, a testament to the longevity of the Kingdom and a center for all matters of state. (4 slots)
[X] The Grand Construction (Requires enormous palace, uses all slots) (Lots of extra costs) (Significant extra time commitment) (Awes Everyone?) Korporati Votes.
King Omon was often described as flighty, prone to fancies and grandiose ideas, in his younger years. Initially, when the new laws were put in place, endorsed by the temples whole-heartedly, people were happy. There were rules in place for everything, and lives were made simpler, if not immediately better. Ownership of land was swept away, grudge-punishments were outlawed, and cities had a unified code of conduct. When a man made was his, what he did was worth coin. And coin could buy all the food a man desired.
It was during this time that King Omon found that he was drawn to increasingly fantastical and exceptional palace plans. First, a large complex, walled with good limestone and polished to a finish, using arches and massive supports to keep the structure stable. Then, more stories, wider halls, a more sprawling palace, using mortar and stonework as a foundation, replacing hundreds of tons of earth to support the weight of the King's desire.
Plans were drawn, cast aside, and drawn again. Architects, masters of their craft, were brought in to calculate the stresses and strains and potential for collapse. Every time, each new architect wanted to make their own mark on the palace complex, add their own flourish. Every time, it sprawled a few more feet... and a few more...
Years had passed before the King was satisfied with the extent of the basics of the plan, and when he was, the architects could only lament, as the project would be unplannable, impossible to complete, so complex that even in their wildest dreams, several of them would never live to see the drafts finalized. But they were also inspired, driven to perfectionism by the King and their own imaginations.
In his middle rulership, Omon was called eccentric. Word had gotten out about the King's designs for Maye. Astrologers, priests, artists, scribes, and sculptors, men from many walks were brought to the architects. Plans were drawn up for astrologically significant roadway designs, shaped like the constellations of the night. Parks and districts and houses were sketched into true shapes, artists' hands crafting only the most beautiful homes and businesses. Designs were etched into sample stoneworks and mortar-casts and compared to mystical symbology for accuracy.
Sages from the Temple had even begun developing entire new techniques to describe and perform the necessary calculations, compose the correct shapes. Geometric perfection, the discovery that wholes and parts were in perfect harmony all across the natural world. Concentric circles and perfect squares and spiraling shapes that left the mind both dazed and awed in equal measure. The discovery of the Endless Number, the not-quite-eighth within a circle's circumference.
While the King performed his other duties, it was always with half a mind for his plans. Quirks became obsessions, and obsessions became madness. Omon excised men from power for the slightest offense, for the barest hint of wrong-doing. He surrounded himself with only the most virtuous of cousins and uncles and nephews, and bent his ear to the priests at the temple in Maye regularly. When the King discovered that the Merchants' cabals in Anye had been simply extorting money from the citizens to pay their taxes, he had the city invaded.
In a fury he declared that having been given the King's authority to lead, their thievery from the King's citizens made their actions treasonous. The harshest punishments were enacted, the old and wealthy made to squeal and screech until their bodies gave out and their spirits left them. The Dalwa leaders, men once praised for owning the most land laid low to being those who hired the most workers, cowered in fear, offering up those of their number without word and without hesitation.
By the time Omon had grown old, the plans for his palace were left unfinished. His Prince looked upon them in rapturous amazement, and vowed that by his end, he would see the ground broken, and the first stone laid in place.
You may perform a Single Project. (-1 Project from Establishing Legal Precedent) (-1 Project from Palace Time Commitment)
The Oracle
**Consult the Oracle (Spends an action, ???)
Push for an Heir [Type] (Spends an action, types the heir) [Administrator, Diplomat, Warrior]
[A consultation is a ceremonious visit to the Oracle's Seat in Gadawa. It looks favorably on the King and all but ensures support from the Oracle, and might prompt strange opportunities, but the political power of that particular King is somewhat diminished for it]
[A push for an Heir prompts the king to put pressure on the Oracle and the priesthood to elevate a particular relative to Prince. This choice will have talents the King believes necessary to the Mayep. Such a choice will upset the priesthood and the Oracle]
Manpower (Huge Excess)
Military Training (+Martial)
Land Grants (+Economy)
Artisan Trades (+Wealth)
Legalism
Hunt for Corruption (+/-Wealth, +/-Stability, Possibly remove a step of Troubled Times)
Begin removing local enforcement rights (--Stability, Removes a step of Troubled Times)
Trade
Mission to [Polity] (-Wealth, ?Wealth Later, ???) [Far-Coast, Oathtribes, Alwethi]
Help the traders at Far-Coast with the new Currency (--Wealth, ???)
Long-Term Projects
Subjugate more tributaries from the [faction] (-??? Martial, ???) [Alwethi (easier), Long-Coast Tribes (tough), Oathtribes (toughest)]
Settle [region] (-Economy, +??? later) [North Coast (trade), South Coast (trade)]
Prospect [region] for copper (-Wealth, -Martial) [Maye, Gadawa, Dalwa]
City Improvements (Maye, Anye, Gadawa, Dalwa)
*Build walls for [city] (-Economy, -Wealth, -Martial, slow project) [Maye, Anye, Gadawa, Dalwa]
Fortify [city] (-Wealth, -Martial, -Stability, +Martial later, removes a step of Troubled Times) [Anye, Dalwa]
Regional Improvements (Silfi Riverbank, Silfi Forestlands)
Send warriors to act as a more permanent deterrent in [region] (--Martial, +Stability, maybe reduces Rebellious Tributary a step)
*Force the Silfi to gather together in [region] (---Martial, -Stability, might increase or decrease Rebellious Tributary, converts a region into a city)
Erect a fortress in [region] as a deterrent (--Martial, -Wealth, +Stability, most likely reduces Rebellious Tributary)
Expand the mine at the Silfi Riverbank Region (--Wealth, -Martial, might find more copper, ++Regional Wealth)
Great Projects The fleets of the Mayep require a lot of upkeep, and regular replacements. Make plans for a grand harbor to house the fleet at Anye. (-Economy, -Wealth, counts as two projects, begins Grand Docks early wonder)
*Formalize Gadawa as the Seat of the Oracle by expanding the temple there. Such a complex will attract many sages and learned men, possibly from very far away. (---Wealth, counts as two projects, begins the Great Temple early wonder)
Build a Palace at Maye to house the ruling family. It will solidify the idea of Maye as capital of the kingdom, and ensure all things pass close to the eyes and ears of her King. (-Economy, --Wealth, -Martial, counts as two projects, begins the Palace early wonder)
Accelerate the Metalworks Project (-Wealth, adds another completion step to the Metalworks Project)
Personal Attention to the Palace (Spends action, does an extra step check for the Palace Project)