No, I said the difference between someone who actually did what you imagine they were going to do to Emma, and the Nazis is as far as the distance between someone who is mearely rude and someone who is an actual violent criminal.
Surely the difference is between someone who claims that they would commit violent crimes, and someone who actually does. "merely rude" implies "you're a poopyhead" would qualify, while cutting in line at the supermarket is, on the rudeness scale, not really any worse than the guy calling people the very mature insult "poopyhead". It's something that
people do, all the time, and while yes it's insulting and rude, it's not really impactful. Many otherwise ordinary, friendly, nice people don't consider stuff like this to be wrong at all, let alone terribly wrong... much more virulent cursing is considered socially acceptable behavior in very nearly every facet of modern society (I find this alarming).
Most people would still not threaten to mutilate people via violent assault, whether they intend to do so or not.
I don't even understand how you could possibly say this:
2)I never claimed they were saints, but trying to claim any group that attacks people like the ABB attacked (or even if they actually did what they only threatened) Emma is equivalent to the Nazis is like saying that cutting in line is the same as beating someone with a baseball bat.
It says something about a person that they would even threaten to do it. And if we're taking it for granted that they would actually do it, then there's definitely a difference between "socially rude vs. evil" and "evil vs. mega-evil".
Rather than all the bad comparisons, why don't we point out that the ABB are violent thugs, who at a minimum end up in a situation where initiation rites turn into "carve out some random civilian's eye with a knife to prove how tough you are". Now, it's possible this is an outlier, it's... unlikely. It's also exceedingly unlikely that Lung is the type of person to fundamentally disapprove, loudly, of this sort of behavior... because if he did, his underlings wouldn't dare be that kind of casual cruel, now would they?
Against this, we have... "they're the Asian equivalent of Nazis". Nazis. NAZIS. People who are going down in history as the epitome of evil. The Empire 88 considers to be civilization's heroes: the people who perfected the art of killing millions of people through long, drawn-out starvation and torture with explicit intent to make "people" into "not-people" before finally ending their life. The people who scientifically categorized their enemies by race and declared intent to eradicate said races from existence, that it doesn't matter where in the world you are, "we will eventually find you and wipe you out because we think you're incompatible with the world". The people who did all this as a holy calling, rather than a spur-of-the-moment "I want your money so I'll kill you and laugh at your pain because I suck as a human being".
So, we need an argument to disprove this???
I have to disagree. The ABB are basically Asian Nazis - they need to go down just as much as the Empire.
I don't mean Nazis in the literal sense, but just like the Empire, the ABB attacked, raped and killed people of other races. And unless the reasons for Emma's betrayal have changed, Emma was threatened by the ABB with being forced into sexual slavery, and mutilated as part of an initiation ritual (and Emma herself was 12/13 at the time).
@Teiresias,
It's literally impossible to be even as bad as the Nazis unless you're actually trying with the explicit intention of being as outrageously evil for the sake of evil in order to prove you're the most evil possible.
You cannot get lower than Nazis. The ABB are better than Nazis by mere dint of the fact that they "are not Nazis".
This doesn't make the ABB good people. You don't need to prove that the ABB are bad people by calling them Nazis. There is lots of evil in the world, but not all of it needs to be
that particular type of evil. The ABB don't even do
some of the things that characterized Nazis as Nazis, and they certainly didn't do all of them!
Going around calling everyone Nazis just because they aren't good people, then artificially introducing race-based discriminatory evils into your analysis of their behavior (which is not upheld by the source material) will simply continue to perpetuate the great injustice whereby the word "Nazi" is losing all meaning and no one seems to comprehend what the word actually means!
So your rationale here is what? "I don't mean Nazis in the literal sense" but (paraphrased) "they're also ethically bad people, so the word Nazi seemed like a fitting description, and also let's emphasize the fact that in one case the victim wasn't Asian". What even is this logic?
tl;dr
- The ABB are evil
- You represent Godwin's Law in this thread
- The ABB are not an exception to Godwin's Law
