I'm still hesitant to make the Destroyer Golem because it adds another ship type, and I really like our streamlined fleet. If you go that route though, I'd be very tempted to upgrade Zephyr to speed 8 instead of OPW2 or OPS2. That would let it harass even speed 6 ships. The only enemy ships that are speed 6 right now are Cobras. But you were expecting Chaos to get +1 speed on their ships from either rituals or tech improvements, which would make the rest of their escorts and light cruisers speed 6 as well. If that's a serious threat then speed 8 on raiders could be very valuable.
Maybe IC we have a better idea how likely it is for Chaos to boost their ships' speeds.
The differences between a hybrid Zephyr and Destroyer Golem are huge though, not to mention being able to specialize Zephyr as a Raider. We only ever merged Destroyer and Raider roles because the difference between them was minimal, just -2 Power for Destroyer, and there was no need for OPWs because of sucky weapons. This no longer applies.
Compared to Zephyr with DIs, Speed 7, and OPW2, Golem-D has: +0.75 Armor, +27% HP, +24% Shields, -25% E DIs, x2 AC Wings, -10% Cost/CP, -30% Crew.
This can not be given up on out of desire for minimal number of classes.
I am starting to agree that +20% Weapons is worth less than the ability to harass enemy harassers probably, yes, its not like even with DIs Zephyrs role would be firepower.
Well I am not sure about universal +1 Speed, I was more thinking suddenly supercaps too fast for Scorch to harass, perhaps even only daemonic ones, as increasing speed like that seems pretty expensive.
I don't. It took a lot of wheedling to get Durin to buff them as much as they have been, and I think he's generally fine with them being a niche product.
USPR are a niche product best we can tell, the rest... aren't even that. I believe that either Durin will buff them, circumstances will change, or our understanding of their value is mistaken.
I would happy if he told us simply that we are wrong in some way and that the reactors are worth it. All I want is to use them.
Mind I'm currently thinking that downsize USPR for stealth fleet and Golem, integrate tractor beams in shipyards for an improvement to their productivity, then any further years we want to allocate to naval development the next best move would be Dark Matter reactor improvement research.
I am not a fan of Dark Matter, that No Hulk rule is pretty brutal. Its very niche, though said niche allows for the monster than is Twister so it can be an important niche, and improving it would just improve that as I don't see much use for a DMR that produces more power besides maybe a Harass Tachyon PDR. And lowering the HP penalty, making it not expensive, or getting rid of the No Hulk rule seems very unlikely to me.
Hm... here I was thinking about what ships DMR would be good for, besides Twister, and thought about carriers. They are not priority targets, stay at Extreme range, are fast so can run away (well in universe) etc. A DRM on Cloud would give OPS2 and, if that's allowed though I think not (have asked) rid it of Fragile, end result of -14% HP, +20% Shields, +25% AA for Expensive (EM) and No Hulks. Could maybe be worth it, but I don't grasp hulk value and how much Clouds die in fleet actions well enough to say.
More Gridarvols (from lower cost/CP) means more Psychic Cannons. So CP increases have to be measured that way.
It makes perfect sense for the +10% cost/CP to apply because it's way simpler to just apply % modifiers to total costs than try to break down what each part of a ship costs. If we were going for accuracy giving a flat CP and cost increase based on ship size would be the most sensible, but that would be way more effort, thus instead we have a % modifier.
There's also the complicating factor that we wanted identical reactor on the Gridarvol and Gridarvol-R for similar emissions, and it certainly won't be worth it on the much more numerous Gridarvol-R.
In universe it doesn't make sense though, why would a more expensive reactor increase the cost of the Psy-Cannon or say Tachyon Scanners? The +10% Cost/CP is an abstraction of a flat increase in cost that happens to be that large on a normal ship, it does not make every part more expensive. Mechanically, it also should not be difficult to apply it to the base cost before adding Expensive (?) tags and such.
Oh yeah the Ultimate Reactor does not look good for G-R so that might nix this, though I did ask and increasing emissions is apparently easy enough so maybe our engin(s)eers could figure something out.
so replacement cost is basically the same, build cost is 10% higher and combat power is around 2% higher.
not worth it
WoG! Very happy to see. Provides more datapoints to extrapolate from.
EDIT: also redone this table to be more accurate, as from some reason I was counting RM with CP in the last
| Ship Type | % of Cost that is CP |
| Earthquake Dreadnought | 73% |
| Hurricane Dreadnought | 76% |
| Twister Pocket Dreadnought | 74% |
| Inferno Pocket Dreadnought | 70% |
| Boulder Battleship | 73% |
| Black Ship | 86% |
| Gridarvol Grand Cruiser | 50% |
| Gridarvol-R Grand Cruiser | 83% |
| Gjallarhorn II Battlecruiser | 79% |
| Blaze Cruiser | 62% |
| Scorch Cruiser | 62% |
| Cloud Carrier | 65% |
| Fissure Cruiser | 63% |
| Hail Light Cruiser | 57% |
| Zephyr Raider | 63% |
| Golem Frigate | 62% |
| Military Transport | 88% |
Well then! What can we learn from this?
Hail is resource expensive. This is not surprising, Nova Cannon lacks the Expensive tag but is not supposed to have a Light Cruiser build around it.
Huh, Gridarvol-R is the cheapest resource wise of our warships to construct compared to CPs. Interesting. Wonder why. Probably because all the larger ships use UD Body, DRM, or AR.
Earthquakes lower %CP compared to Hurricane is probably UD Body.
There is a large jump in %CP between Cruisers and Gjallarhorn II interestingly
We pretty much have to speculate on what the result of unstarted research projects will be. Only by speculating what the results of research will be can we reasonably argue priorities on what to research. Anything with too low a priority just never gets researched. We've done that for literal real life years at this point. Unless you want to change how the quest works to always provide us what the research results will be with a stat line in advance, we pretty much have to continue to do so. Otherwise we'd be blindly picking research basically on nothing.
Uhm, while this is true, we are currently speculating without even having read Tranth's thoughts on the tech. I don't intent to make any decisions until after I see that myself, I have just been noting how viable the tech currently
seems to be to help Durin tune it or to prod him into telling is how we are wrong.
Also Durin is a good QM and very unlikely to give us a useless naval part, so he will either tweak the USPR, surprise us with the scaling, or we misunderstand something about Ultimate Reactors value which is also entirely possible. So concluding that the tech is useless, other than
seeming useless, is not wise or is at least premature I believe.
@Durin (or whoever who knows):
1): when the ship component/parts say +XX% hulk rate or whatever, how is that applied and how do they stack?
IE: if there's 3 parts that add +10% and 1 part that adds -15% to a base rate of....I guess 35% for escort (found the bit in the design tab)....does that work out to a additively calculated 40%, multiplicatively calculated as 1*(1.2)*(1.2)*(0.85) = 0.4284 ... or something else?
Same stuff is always additive, would be nightmare of math otherwise.
Tranth is maxed so no cigar. Pretty much everything was already maxed, to be frank, so I ended up slipping 3 more years into bio, 9 more years into munitorum, and the remaining 8 were all dumped into admin where they were spent on admin shake-ups since no one wanted to do the Nynye or the fortress hive designs.
Actually I would like to do Fortress Hive Design. It is very easy to imagine some of our Hives being destroyed in the Incursion, so having this design ready for rebuilding seems more useful than a better admin multiplier at this point in time.
Edit: Oh, almost forgot.
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