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the fact that there are cultural translation issues is part of the issue--we have to either figure out one thats understandable as to what its communicating semi-consistently....(or at least one thats clear that its NOT communicating itself properly if you thinnk about itThere's a difference between another Jane thing and literally half a dozen Jane things as she isn't even an intrigue paragon yet, yet I see people suggesting she be eligible for any sort of assassin archetype for example which is well beyond counting your chickens before they hatch that's counting your chickens before they conceptually exist yet. And, even putting that aside she isn't that far from claiming the Witch Hunter archetype as I've reiterated half a dozen times at this point as she most likely only needs a transcendent to get it which she's expected to get or die.
And, yes both HWWO, and AO are bio-engineered but that doesn't matter all that much for most archetypes as seen by how for example the AO can claim the just normal Eternal Soldier archetype despite no longer technically fitting the definition of the word.
Witch Hunter doesn't work because you're using the human translation for it which has cultural connotations for us just as Magical Girl does when the archetype is in reality Optimistic Young Mage which carries a much different meaning than Magical Girl, and such is the case here with Witch Hunter. Again the warp isn't confused the thread is confusing itself just like how it would confuse itself if a man had the best claim to the Magical Girl archetype because there are inbuilt biases to the human translation of the archetype's name.
1): It's not, to be frank as you're trying to use the human translation for an archetype's name to somehow prove that Jane can't claim it despite already being the best claimant flat out with the other claimants being like single or double paragons which almost certainly can't contest the claim of a transcendent.
2): We know what archetypes Jane has claims on, and the Witch Hunter is pretty much the only one.
(IE: the "optimistic young mage" to the "magical girl").
and I'm of the opinion that she's NOT going for "Witch Hunter", if she has one at all that we know exists its deamon killer and thats claimed by HWWO/AO/who-knows.....what I/others are hashing out is the alternatives that might better capture her....."theme" and thus the best chances.....cas "witch hunter" doesn't preclude chaos (including tjapa and khorne), at least in some people's heads (including mine).
IE: some people were discussing different alternatives to witch hunter; with the implication that (as I understand it) being whether the architype allows for mortals, chaos, or whether it requires gods as the target.
So regardless of what WoG durin might have given on the particular architype of "Witch Hunter" or Jane (and I doubt he will ever clarify the full rules on architypes and I doubt he would give us even half of a comprehensive listing of what does/doesn't exist anyway and honestly I doubt he's put one together anyway), I'm pretty sure that he'd be open to less confusing terms for whatever it is that "witch hunter" is supposed to mean.
cas yes, she's not actually all *that* close to really any architypes, (edit: well, bovine makes a good point that shes not that far from "badass normal/"vampire hunter", so yeah I disagree now, she's got a shot at least) but as I said before she's got the coolest theme/story/narrative that is the most fun to hype up in the story cas part of it is that she hasen't been forced unlike hardly anyone else.....its already the case that people want to see her "win" (and legitimately too of course), and if she does, it would be nice to have a name for it that actually captures the true essense of her narrative.
I think part of the issue is that part of her uniqueness is that her "luck" factor literally transcends the medium she's written in which means the usual "luck" themes and terms don't apply quite right---.
oooh good point! I actually was pondering if "vampire hunter" might work better and figuring out to myself if it was worth bringing up.To clear things up the reason I suggested the 'Van Helsing' archetype as a potential one that Jane can get is because it seems like the 'badass normal who hunts and kills monsters and witches far more powerful than them' would be a universal idea that isn't unique to humans. Always thought that one of the main reasons that an archetype like that hasn't been claimed or at least doesn't have nearly as much competetion is due to how unique the circumstances would be for any 'badass normal' to get as far as she has.
To note near all the major badasses are either transcendent beings like the Necron's or Chaos champions or bio-engineered living weapons like the Eldar and Orks or flat out monsters like Daemons or Tyranids. Even the Imperiums best soldiers were transhumans like the Space Marines, Adeptus Mechanicus and Assassins with the remaining biggest badasses being psykers. Even Big E was a psyker created by an ancient ritual and also part C'Tan.
does "vampire hunter", in wh40k anyway, paint van helsing -like pictures to people? (IE: mortal/"human", badass, improbably over-skilled, yet still highly dependent on luck, hyper-dedicated and loyal to their notion of "human")
or would "badass normal" have to be it? it does capture alot of Jane alot better then anything so far discussed. between the two I'd be happy just finding a way to merge the two if possable cas I know "vampire hunter" is not a whole lot better then witch hunter.
edit: just realized "werewolf hunter" might better distingish the architype better in light of wh40k and ember's having alot of vampire-like entitys.........not sure....
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