The Long Night Part Two: Sparks at Midnight: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k)

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There's a difference between another Jane thing and literally half a dozen Jane things as she isn't even an intrigue paragon yet, yet I see people suggesting she be eligible for any sort of assassin archetype for example which is well beyond counting your chickens before they hatch that's counting your chickens before they conceptually exist yet. And, even putting that aside she isn't that far from claiming the Witch Hunter archetype as I've reiterated half a dozen times at this point as she most likely only needs a transcendent to get it which she's expected to get or die.

And, yes both HWWO, and AO are bio-engineered but that doesn't matter all that much for most archetypes as seen by how for example the AO can claim the just normal Eternal Soldier archetype despite no longer technically fitting the definition of the word.

Witch Hunter doesn't work because you're using the human translation for it which has cultural connotations for us just as Magical Girl does when the archetype is in reality Optimistic Young Mage which carries a much different meaning than Magical Girl, and such is the case here with Witch Hunter. Again the warp isn't confused the thread is confusing itself just like how it would confuse itself if a man had the best claim to the Magical Girl archetype because there are inbuilt biases to the human translation of the archetype's name.

1): It's not, to be frank as you're trying to use the human translation for an archetype's name to somehow prove that Jane can't claim it despite already being the best claimant flat out with the other claimants being like single or double paragons which almost certainly can't contest the claim of a transcendent.
2): We know what archetypes Jane has claims on, and the Witch Hunter is pretty much the only one.
the fact that there are cultural translation issues is part of the issue--we have to either figure out one thats understandable as to what its communicating semi-consistently....(or at least one thats clear that its NOT communicating itself properly if you thinnk about it
(IE: the "optimistic young mage" to the "magical girl").

and I'm of the opinion that she's NOT going for "Witch Hunter", if she has one at all that we know exists its deamon killer and thats claimed by HWWO/AO/who-knows.....what I/others are hashing out is the alternatives that might better capture her....."theme" and thus the best chances.....cas "witch hunter" doesn't preclude chaos (including tjapa and khorne), at least in some people's heads (including mine).

IE: some people were discussing different alternatives to witch hunter; with the implication that (as I understand it) being whether the architype allows for mortals, chaos, or whether it requires gods as the target.

So regardless of what WoG durin might have given on the particular architype of "Witch Hunter" or Jane (and I doubt he will ever clarify the full rules on architypes and I doubt he would give us even half of a comprehensive listing of what does/doesn't exist anyway and honestly I doubt he's put one together anyway), I'm pretty sure that he'd be open to less confusing terms for whatever it is that "witch hunter" is supposed to mean.

cas yes, she's not actually all *that* close to really any architypes, (edit: well, bovine makes a good point that shes not that far from "badass normal/"vampire hunter", so yeah I disagree now, she's got a shot at least) but as I said before she's got the coolest theme/story/narrative that is the most fun to hype up in the story cas part of it is that she hasen't been forced unlike hardly anyone else.....its already the case that people want to see her "win" (and legitimately too of course), and if she does, it would be nice to have a name for it that actually captures the true essense of her narrative.

I think part of the issue is that part of her uniqueness is that her "luck" factor literally transcends the medium she's written in which means the usual "luck" themes and terms don't apply quite right---.

To clear things up the reason I suggested the 'Van Helsing' archetype as a potential one that Jane can get is because it seems like the 'badass normal who hunts and kills monsters and witches far more powerful than them' would be a universal idea that isn't unique to humans. Always thought that one of the main reasons that an archetype like that hasn't been claimed or at least doesn't have nearly as much competetion is due to how unique the circumstances would be for any 'badass normal' to get as far as she has.

To note near all the major badasses are either transcendent beings like the Necron's or Chaos champions or bio-engineered living weapons like the Eldar and Orks or flat out monsters like Daemons or Tyranids. Even the Imperiums best soldiers were transhumans like the Space Marines, Adeptus Mechanicus and Assassins with the remaining biggest badasses being psykers. Even Big E was a psyker created by an ancient ritual and also part C'Tan.
oooh good point! I actually was pondering if "vampire hunter" might work better and figuring out to myself if it was worth bringing up.

does "vampire hunter", in wh40k anyway, paint van helsing -like pictures to people? (IE: mortal/"human", badass, improbably over-skilled, yet still highly dependent on luck, hyper-dedicated and loyal to their notion of "human")

or would "badass normal" have to be it? it does capture alot of Jane alot better then anything so far discussed. between the two I'd be happy just finding a way to merge the two if possable cas I know "vampire hunter" is not a whole lot better then witch hunter.

edit: just realized "werewolf hunter" might better distingish the architype better in light of wh40k and ember's having alot of vampire-like entitys.........not sure....
 
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Hunter of Mages is most likely the literal name of the archetype with the human translation being Witch Hunter, and the only reason it isn't being claimed by others is because AO, and HWWO don't hunt mages they're hunters of Gods and Daemons.

And, it doesn't matter if she's "going for" Witch Hunter or not she's already the leading candidate to receive the archetype which we have WoG on, and simply getting her transcendent will most likely allow her to claim it something which an archetype doesn't need your consent for. She's also not close to Daemon Hunter not only because she's not competitive for it like Witch Hunter but because she doesn't really do it as she's spent almost her entire life hunting psykers rather than daemons.

I'd also entirely refute the claim that anyone is suggesting more on theme archetypes that she's more likely to get than Witch Hunter because she's quite literally going to get the trait she needs to get the archetype within the next few decades or she's going to die there's no other option here because she doesn't have any noticeable claims on any other archetypes which again isn't my opinion we have WoG on the Witch Hunter archetype.

Also, again I will reiterate that she is the front runner for the Witch Hunter archetype she is in no way "not actually all that close to really any archetype".
 
I want Durin to at one point just utterly fuck with us, like a real mind-screw, and doesn't explain things any further.

"I have good news and bad news for all of you. I will only tell one, though. What do you want to hear first?"

"Give us the good news, Durin."

"Well, you all technically died, but you really aren't dead. It's complicated."

"What the fuck?! How is that good news?!"

"Once you see the bad news you'll understand. Anyway, that's all for now."
 
I can't wait for the ominous Durin statements to start rolling in as well.
edit: some different ways such could look.....
  • "I haven't seen rolls that made me doubt the fairness of them quite like this before...."
  • "well, thats weird"
  • "your not going to like this,..... In fact, I'm not sure I like this honestly"
  • "the good news is I found a way for the quest to not end! The bad news is, the update's delayed"
  • "well, I got good news about this update!..... well, sorta..."
  • "uh, so this updates going to take a while longer. I need to figure out what the dice just did".
  • "well, that just happened"
  • "I have good news and bad news, the bad news is that there's really bad news coming. the good news is that I might be wrong on how bad"
  • "Well, it finally happened after hundreds of turns of waiting, really didn't plan on it happening this turn tho cas I almost forgot about it"
  • "well, this is it, time to see who's here simply cas the quest has had good luck overall so far"
edit: dang it! ninja'd SO hard!
 
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So a bit of an odd question just came to me @Durin during their long time as a galactic hegemony have the eldar ever captured a C'tan shard and tried to study it? I mean given how dangerous the things are it seems like it would make sense to try to study and/or interrogate one of the things for answers as to its basic nature.
they probably did
maybe they could be shaman's who help develop the forttress-trees to live among? like, the reason their so big is so they can be the home of the giants?
that'd be cool, and would also explain how avernus would have another, well, *crop* of them so soon after the green skies.....

maybe assassin unasendent btw? that captures the notion that Jane's a assassin and that she HASN'T been helped by a higher power? cas Durin has remarked that he HASN'T helped her
...still not very good,

holy fudge this is hard to figure out, cas I still don't feel like we have fully captured the "Jane-ness"(even durin's refered to it at this point) thats even minimually accerate enough that its any better then just going Jane.....

....maybe thats it? The Confoundingly Competent One ? would preposterous be better? if she gets even one more improbable act under her belt that might just be the best one to go with. Simply put, her being a witch-hunter/assassin honestly isen't the unique thing about her, its her mortality and sheer luck. (rotbart also has that actually, but having it be well-placed luck in his character creation is lessor to repeated well-placed luck)

@Durin would you remark on the nature of her victorys? like, obviously she's skilled, but how blatently lucky was it in-universe that she won against the chemelon/etc?


yeah, that too.....

course, i feel like alot of the architypes we have already had would have that be true too if we were honest about it----I think we need to work under the assumption that other species have similar myths and assume that woudl be translated to their equivilent.
luck is part of it in universe, but more its more a matter of if she makes one mistake, or fails to outthink her foe once. that's it.
in universe its her being able to predict her foes movements enough to doge everything, or to cut holes in attacks that she can dodge through which is her usually strategy aginst the higher tier psykers whose response to be dodged tends to be attacks that hit entire blocks
I'd argue that it precludes you getting a archetype around being mundane/mortal, transcendence grants you immortality afterall

now you got me curious about the architpe of The Mortal One.....
@Durin
1):do the eldar know if a architype of mortal is possable given that the archetype grants immortality? or maybe it has happened, but that the archetype as part of its nature DOESN'T grant immortality and/or godhood no matter how far along you go....?

2a): also, do we know how much of Jacob's special soul-trait (whatever it is) is tied to humanity as a species, or tied "just" tied to the struggle/nature that we have--that humanaity is now admiting that we share with other species more then we previously admitted--? cas I'm wondering if he might ironically have a claim to that architype (if it is a thing)
2b):can Jacob share his own perspective on it after his centurys of out-of-canverns experence with it now or is it entirely underneith his conscious knowledge?
1. it is possible
2. its more then just humans
2b. not in a way that you understand
 
Give the amount of enemies that will come that HATES one another. my joke wish for the dice result is they acting like those microorganism trying to kill mister Burns, but unable of doing so because they are all messing with each other plans/movements.

Because these guys will backstab one another :D
 
Durin — Today at 10:45 PM
along with an Alpha-Plus who after being born rapidly aged to adulthood and demonstrated a remarkable amount of skill and power as he futilely tried to defend himself from Jane.


Such a sad waste of life and talent :cry:
 
Give the amount of enemies that will come that HATES one another. my joke wish for the dice result is they acting like those microorganism trying to kill mister Burns, but unable of doing so because they are all messing with each other plans/movements.

Because these guys will backstab one another :D
irrc, durin has stated that theres room in the dice rolls for the CG's to never seriously invade avernus simply cas they don't even know till the very end. although it would require a string of crits/crit-fails (I forget?) like half a dozen d100's long AND at all the right places.

that being said, we might have already had too many non-crits for that to be possible (IE: chaos is already looking)...

then again, even after they know, there's probably a chance that they all like, collectively suffer a anerism (or something) and each roll low/high enough on all the right spots and just get caught up amongst eachother like you said.

it would require (I'm guessing) abbadon and belky crit-failing several times EACH however....

@Durin
1): if abby/belky somehow got caught up in traffic and couldn't make it to the negotiations, how much would that impact the incursion's inital strength?
2): who else would need to have stayed up too late to make it, for it to just be the CG's in a coffee room and sniping at each-other over who goes first/last/etc (that we are allowed to know about)?
3): if, however it reached this point, it were JUST the CG's arguing over the now-broken coffee table (it really didn't deserve this, and nurgle diden't do a good job repairing it), how much of a coin-flip is it that they actually start the incursion properly?
*We shall see how well I managed to embed the intended questions inside the probably poor attempt at humor.....*
 
Time is Lives.
If you want there to be slife of life stories, you could write them yourself
There is this one idea I had for a while. A sequel to another one of @Enjou's old sidestories.


Time is Lives.

She looked around. Half her Regiment was gone already. Good lads and lasses, they all were. Fell down protecting their people.

A desperate fight. A rogue Psyker, estimated as a Beta, was unleashed in Scadin. The newest Hive upon Avernus, and already Chaos was reaching its paws for it. Well, not on her watch.

The Psyker Hunters were busy with the daemons summoned. Her force was the closest to the foe's location. It was up to her to try and take them out.

By the time they made it to the Psyker's stronghold, only three thousand remained. And the stronghold was…

Disgusting.

One could tell from the daemons this was a servant of Change. The stronghold was probably filled with all kinds of Warpspawn and twisted once-humans. But she lived through Daemonic Incursions. Maybe not from this guy, but she knew the drill.

Inside, it was a maze. There was no way for thousands of people to remain together, nor to coordinate. Comms were sporadic at best and deceiving most likely. She had some training in that, but the mess was too much. She was a Helltrooper Colonel, not a damn Caver.

She dodged another enemy. From the looks, a few hours ago, it was a child armed with a laspen. Now… a twisted monster to be put out of its misery.

Her soldiers probably didn't fare better. But with thousands of them inside, someone might make it through.

One did. Herself. Suddenly, she found herself in a large chamber, twisted beyond words and description. In the middle, a single person stood.

A boy of ten. Of course; few Betas woke up later than that. It seemed he wanted to talk, considering he allowed her alone here.

"Asta," he spoke.

Asta gripped her gun tighter. The voice was clearly not human. Direct possession.

"So you know my name," she stepped closer. "Is that supposed to impress me?"

"Oh, no," the daemonboy looked at her. She knew well enough to avert his gaze. "I know so much more. But how much do you know, Jotunheimer?"

In return, she shot her Meltagun. The beam was flicked away, as she expected.

"So you know my birthworld as well. Figures. Your kind were plentiful there at the time. Both my parents died there in the revolt you started."

"Not quite," the boy floated closer to her. She didn't retreat. Without the element of surprise, she could neither run nor attack directly. "Did they tell you who they were?"

"Soldiers, most likely. I asked, and they told me all the records were lost."

The daemonboy shook his head with a grin:

"Not lost. Destroyed. Well, maybe a copy exists in the most secure archive, but not for a mere Colonel. It was a deal, to spare you and any friends you might have. A deal by your father," the boy was but a meter away, floating with his eyes level with hers.

"You weren't born during the rebellion. You were born three days before it started. Your mother, a slave in a labor camp, your father, a man pushed over the edge by her fate. He joined the rebels… and then sold his pitiful dregs of knowledge to have you sent to the Avernite orphanages," the Psyker laughed again. "Barely shortened the rebellion by twenty hours."

To his surprise, Asta laughed back, the most mocking laughter she could muster:

"Really? A servant of the Great Planner not understanding the importance of time? Twenty hours mean lives, many lives."

It barely phased the daemon, not for six seconds. And she didn't even try to shoot at it. Good, good, seems like I'm getting through.

"He was shot at once, as he knew he would be, and what did it buy you? Aside from your pitiful life? Over two centuries as a mere colonel, stuck with no promotion in sight, the end of your natural life approaching. Someone higher up seems to know what you are. Someone holds your father's sins against you. Look into my eyes. See what Tzeentch offers me. See what he offers to you. The opportunities for growth are infinite," The poison of half-truths was pouring forth from the daemon's lips.

Her lips trembling, she looked into the boy's eyes. He stared back, looking for the proper crack to break through to her properly.

And then he noticed she wasn't looking into his eyes. Rather, a couple centimeters lower.

A tiny scar just above her right eyebrow suddenly lit up.

The Laser Implant's shot drilled right through his left eyeball.

Staggering back, the daemon didn't block the next shot.

Asta blasted at him with her Melta. Hacked with her blade. And she kept speaking:

"I knew my parents being soldiers was just one possibility. All you are saying is that my father sold his life to give me a chance to live, and to stop your master," she grinned as she threw a grenade at the body. "Well, I can't disappoint him, can I?"

"And as for being a Colonel…" she fired into the hole her grenade made. "What makes you think that's an argument? A lot of people spend centuries at far lower ranks, native Avernites or not," she smirked. "How about you tell me your story? How many millions of years have you been stuck, waiting for a Herald's job?"

Suddenly, the weapons were ripped out of her hands.

The daemonboy rose to his feet. The flesh she broke was healing before her eyes, but healing into a form leaving nothing of the boy's appearance. A true daemon of Tzeentch stood before her.

"Yes, it takes time. Yes, I've been stuck for half a million years, but as a Herald, not a mere daemon," with a flick of his finger, a dozen plates of her Power Armour shattered. So did a few bones. "And now, with this body's power consumed, I, Ospratheteldmaur, am rising today to the power of a Greater Daemon!" And as he spoke, his words came into being. The former lump of mincemeat had mushroomed to half a meter above her in size. "All your efforts were for naught," he touched Asta's face, the woman floating in front of him, gripped as helplessly as a gnat.

"I… bought… time," the colonel flung the words into the daemon's face along with her spit and blood as she felt more bones breaking.

Ospratheteldmaur laughed:

"Time? We have millions of years for our plans. You've only bought three minutes. And with my plan complete," he gave a grin appropriate to his kind. "You've accomplished nothing."

"Guess again," a voice rang behind him.

The unmistakable accent of a Lizardman.

The daemon tried to turn around, but couldn't. Puzzled, he looked down. Twenty centimeters of a sword's blade were protruding out of his chest.

Well, it didn't matter. He was done here anyway… for now. With a flicker of his mind, he let go of this material body, preparing to leave for the Warp.

Nothing happened.

"What?" For the first time this day, he was truly afraid.

"Surprised, Ospratheteldmaur?" Another opponent stood in front of him. A Siren. And he did remember her.

"We've fought before, Ospratheteldmaur. I took care to remember. I felt we will meet again, so I prepared."

The daemon struggled to rip itself off the sword. Out of the clutches of the spell. It was useless.

"Melukrana? How? Such a ritual…"

"Doesn't take long if you have everything prepared. And the foe is distracted. Only…" she chuckled as she looked into his eyes. "Three minutes."

As Asta watched, the daemon's power bled away, and the enchantments fell. The labyrinth gone, her troops became visible - more than she feared, less than she hoped. With a snap, her bonds broke, only a quick spell from the Siren saving her from a painful fall. Before she could blink, one of her medical officers was checking her wounds. Izel, if she remembered his name correctly.

"Strange," the Siren remarked. "You should be gone by now. Is something keeping you alive, Aspiring One?"

"I have a feeling," Asta stood up, brushing Izel's protests away. "That this bastard simply needs an appropriately pitiful end."

The Laser Implant was fully charged by now. With another flash of the weakest weapon she had with her, Ospratheteldmaur, the Aspiring-for-two-minutes, burst into innumerable colourless flocks which were gone the next second. Her regiment cheered.

"You were taking a great risk," the Lizardman remarked as he sheathed his sword.

"For myself and my soul both, I know," Asta nodded. "But I believe it was worth it."

"Did he tell you something that worries you?" The Lizardman said as he studied her expression.

"Maybe something worth investigating, but nothing alarming," Asta shook her head. "Thank you both, from myself and my troops," she bowed.

A good fight should tell a good story, she thought as she looked at the destruction around. Maybe this wasn't something to write an epic poem about.

But as a story for her great-great-however-many-times-grandchildren to hear, it will do.


Thanks to @Enjou for writing the original omake, @Durin for a couple of notes, and to Ernst Theodor Amadeus Hoffmann: I borrowed a phrase from one of his books.
 
Is there a list anywhere of all the members of the current Aeldari pantheon? And do we know if Isha has resurrected any gods other than Kurnous? There have been a few omakes, some informational and some story based (e.g. the one about minor Aeldari gods, or the one about Anath Raema going hunting with Kurnous), but I can't seem to find anything particularly concrete.
 
Is there a list anywhere of all the members of the current Aeldari pantheon? And do we know if Isha has resurrected any gods other than Kurnous? There have been a few omakes, some informational and some story based (e.g. the one about minor Aeldari gods, or the one about Anath Raema going hunting with Kurnous), but I can't seem to find anything particularly concrete.
I believe it's currently Isha, Kurnous, Ynnaed, and Khaine. Khaine is very weak due to the manner of his revival being very much working with the dregs of dregs, but was also particularly easy as there was simply… less to fix.
 
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Is there a list anywhere of all the members of the current Aeldari pantheon? And do we know if Isha has resurrected any gods other than Kurnous? There have been a few omakes, some informational and some story based (e.g. the one about minor Aeldari gods, or the one about Anath Raema going hunting with Kurnous), but I can't seem to find anything particularly concrete.
Alive: Ynnead, Isha, Kurnous, Khaine, Phoenix Avatars (x12 as of this post), Cegorach, Anaeth Rama
 
Alive: Ynnead, Isha, Kurnous, Khaine, Phoenix Avatars (x12 as of this post), Cegorach, Anaeth Rama
Thanks, I thought so, but I wasn't sure if there were any minor gods that had been resurrected in the meantime who I hadn't read about. I'm trying to put together a wiki page on the Aeldari Gods, so this is very helpful.
 
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