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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

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Shard said:
Now's also the time to ask the High Council for asking the Eldar to attach a Seer Council to Ridcully. Along with anything we can think of lol.
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I don't really see why we need to ask them? I mean, most of those favors are because of Rids. Improving him only feels natural. It seems like the response is going to be "Why are you even asking?"

Asking about cleaning the spies from Dragon's nest only makes sense since it involves the other polity directly.
 
Shard said:
Also, Durin has explicitly said that improvements in warp speed might not actually occur even with Eldar help.

We might get benefits in warp stability and/or increase in sizes and/or reduce in cost/maintenance, which appear to be the benefits that DAoT got from improving their warp drives.

Now's also the time to ask the High Council for asking the Eldar to attach a Seer Council to Ridcully. Along with anything we can think of lol.
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Durin said warp speed would improve by a unsaid amount. Not explicit about it not working. Durin tends to bot to give us hard numbers because he wants us to go town the tech tree on our own.

Edit we should ask Durin again since it's been over a year since it was last asked.
 
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One thing we really need are eldar comm devices. Apparently, we can get several for a minor favor, and allow us to directly contact Karnas and the Dragon's nest. This massively cuts down on the communication loop. Which is important to put it mildly.
 
MonkeyTypewriter said:
One thing we really need are eldar comm devices. Apparently, we can get several for a minor favor, and allow us to directly contact Karnas and the Dragon's nest. This massively cuts down on the communication loop. Which is important to put it mildly.
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if this is true, it would be great.

every additional method of long range, instant communication reduces the chances that chaos manages to pull of what it has in the past. (every time the imperium/humanity has fallen, it did so in part because of loss of communication)
 
So a kinda dark thought. We buy warp engines from the eldar, and touch of the civil war on our own schedule. It would be something that would be largely seen as positive by any moderate so would be a bad look to kill people over it, and it would let us chose when the shooting starts.
 
random_npc said:
So a kinda dark thought. We buy warp engines from the eldar, and touch of the civil war on our own schedule. It would be something that would be largely seen as positive by any moderate so would be a bad look to kill people over it, and it would let us chose when the shooting starts.
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Ridcully came up with a PLAN. To mitigate the damage the conservatives could do. Scott is following that PLAN. To deviate would be bad.
 
Enjou said:
Still no reason to start the civil war now because "can I has xenotech?" - nothing whatsoever stops this from being asked after the civil war.
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If "Hey, can you provide me forces to fight against conservatives" does not trigger the civil war right now, I rather doubt that "can we get xenotech after the war" will.
 
agumentic said:
If "Hey, can you provide me forces to fight against conservatives" does not trigger the civil war right now, I rather doubt that "can we get xenotech after the war" will.
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"I believe there will be a civil war, and want support when that time comes" is a different proposition from "I would like to break one of the Warnings after the war is won". The conservatives haven't all strictly decided they have to fight, and in fact not all of them will based on Ridcully's visions. If anything, it being known that Scott knows that it's coming will scare a good number of the fence sitters off from the notion, because they'll know she's prepared and their ideological disagreements aren't large enough to make it worth the risk of losing against the better prepared side. On the other hand, knowing that tech heresy is outright on the table once she's victorious would convince numerous people that they need to join in to fight against it, because they're going to be more ideologically motivated. Hell, it's ammunition for them to get moderates to join them, and maybe even cause some of Scott's supporters to switch sides.

Just because the majority is not in support of Scott's reforms doesn't mean that the majority is yet ready for dealing with xenotech. Rocking the boat right now isn't a good idea as far as I'm concerned.
 
@Enjou you haven't answered my question about adding a proposal about the Trust sending ships to pick up the Lancre remnants to avoid risking losing a way to gain faster warp travel without eating up a favor. It shouldn't cost much and seems reasonable.
 
Red Bovine said:
@Enjou you haven't answered my question about adding a proposal about the Trust sending ships to pick up the Lancre remnants to avoid risking losing a way to gain faster warp travel without eating up a favor. It shouldn't cost much and seems reasonable.
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I am still waiting to hear back from Durin on how big of a force we will need and if we can get the rogue trader from Dragon's nest to do it.
 
Red Bovine said:
@Enjou you haven't answered my question about adding a proposal about the Trust sending ships to pick up the Lancre remnants to avoid risking losing a way to gain faster warp travel without eating up a favor. It shouldn't cost much and seems reasonable.
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I'm uncertain. The fleets are still in the process of rebuilding, we've got the Dragon's Nest integration, and we've got the possible colonization of Valinor as well, so it would be one more thing stretching our forces. The Chaos forces can't strike at the Trust, but they would be willing to hit a small fleet to try to get tech samples I'd bet, and they're watching us.
 
[x] Plan Discuss Investment and Spies

@Enjou @Nurgle you both are aware that when we drop out of the Timeskip that we will be in another High Council Meeting, so perhaps adjourn certain things that would be effected by our recovering state to then? Such as colonizing Valinor, because we really need to wait until after the Trust ceovers and the integration with the Dragon's Nest before we go colonizing more worlds.
 
sabreFather said:
[x] Plan Discuss Investment and Spies

@Enjou @Nurgle you both are aware that when we drop out of the Timeskip that we will be in another High Council Meeting, so perhaps adjourn certain things that would be effected by our recovering state to then? Such as colonizing Valinor, because we really need to wait until after the Trust ceovers and the integration with the Dragon's Nest before we go colonizing more worlds.
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The problem with colonize later is that the forces of chaos will be recovered than and plotting our destruction. Right now they are actually worse off than us and will take decades longer than us to recover. When the ritual happens all of chaos will get a power boost. Which will make colonize much harder when the forces of chaos can use demons easier and longer.
 
Nurgle said:
The problem with colonize later is that the forces of chaos will be recovered than and plotting our destruction. Right now they are actually worse off than us and will take decades longer than us to recover. When the ritual happens all of chaos will get a power boost. Which will make colonize much harder when the forces of chaos can use demons easier and longer.
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We recover faster than chaos and have a much higher cap than they do. Time is our friend provided the local chaos doesn't get back up.
 
@Durin whon much is the Avernite ideal of meritocratic society getting us close to the Eldar pitfall obssession with perfection and of course Slaneeshian corruption?
 
Piren'e Colass said:
We recover faster than chaos and have a much higher cap than they do. Time is our friend provided the local chaos doesn't get back up.
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We already patrol those words and have a garrison there. So why not just people and industry there since we now have technology to set up colonies quicker during a time of relative peace. We have 560 billion guardsmen and a space marine chapter that needs a new home. Colonizing Valinor would give us more resources and a bigger economy in the long run sooner.
 
Now that we are growing bigger to a point where logistics and power projection will become a concern maybe we should consider suggesting reforming the trusts government. I remember that being a concern last council meeting when the merger was decided on.
 
Byzantine said:
I don't really see why we need to ask them? I mean, most of those favors are because of Rids. Improving him only feels natural. It seems like the response is going to be "Why are you even asking?"

Asking about cleaning the spies from Dragon's nest only makes sense since it involves the other polity directly.
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Favors from Rid's G.Divs are considered property of the Trust.
 
We should invent flying cities. Basically they're cities as big as Lonely Citadel, except they fly. Ground-locked forces would be incapable of invading the cities, making them much harder to take by force. They'd be a decent addition to our defence grid.
 
Andres110 said:
We should invent flying cities. Basically they're cities as big as Lonely Citadel, except they fly. Ground-locked forces would be incapable of invading the cities, making them much harder to take by force. They'd be a decent addition to our defence grid.
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better yet void hives , find a system with to no habitable planets or any planets at all but rich in resources and plop down a few hive cites with our Daot hydroponics and waste recycling tech tech we can make them self sustaining . in fact we can direct a few seas worth of ice asteroids to the system to make sure it has all the water and oxygen a human population needs . after all why should the trust be limited to colonizing worlds with habitable plants only cause the are relatively rare in the grand scheme of the galaxy
 
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