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The Long Night Part One: Embers in the Dusk: A Planetary Governor Quest (43k) Complete Sequel Up

Investigate the Sea?

  • Yes

    Votes: 593 80.4%

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    Votes: 145 19.6%
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Azgrin said:
It's Avernus, as much as it pains me to say it Freddy could die next turn in any number of terrible ways. Which means Syr gets to take up the reigns, with what will hopefully be a long lived Husbando. It would crush me if Syr lost her partner because the combat score wasn't up to par.

Less because my vote didn't win, but because it would make best daughter very sad.

The post I was responding to stated that the captain or merchant could avoid death by staying off Avernus, which I think was mentioned as being unacceptable for the population. Not that any particular candidate is unacceptable. They all ended up on the short list after all.

See the above, I don't contest that they are all acceptable candidates. I'm arguing against the notion they could get away from the danger by not living on Avernus. Specifically the population would look down on that specific choice.
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They wouldn't be choosing to avoid Avernus though, their lives and careers happen to be off world and that's where they could do their duty to the best of their ability.
 
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Red Bovine said:
To add to something that people seem to constantly forget when it comes to diplomacy to Dragons Nest going to point out that we are not the only ones in the Trust. Seriously, it seems like people keep forgetting this fact and acting like we are the only ones that can do something like increase ties with Dragons Nest despite their being 9 other core planets in Avernus. I mean an example is Sigurd's sister marrying into the family of another core trust world. The rest of the Trust is also going to be involved in getting closer ties to Dragons Nest since the main goal is a merger so it's not like it's totally dependant on just us.
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Yeah but making sure that it's us means that Avernus can more readily benefit from trade agreements or interactions with the Dragons. The Trust isn't a singular entity, as we've seen from Bertil's behavior over the past few decades. It's important to position Avernus in such a way that we can continue to push the progressive agenda throughout the entire polity.

Also, we argued for the merger to begin with, so it'd look good if we walked the walk as much as we talked the talk.
 
Azgrin said:
I contend their duty, once/if Syr becomes Governor is to rule by her side. Which means on Avernus.
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Syr is more likely to run the Trust Fleet than rule Avernus in the future and her husband having to rule by her side seems completely arbitrary to me, as long as they are doing there duty the Avernites will be satisfied, this just seems to fall under Syr's criteria, the question of what if Syr becomes governor definitely came up in the vetting process and all candidate's pass.
 
Azgrin said:
It's Avernus, as much as it pains me to say it Freddy could die next turn in any number of terrible ways. Which means Syr gets to take up the reins, with what will hopefully be a long lived Husbando. It would crush me if Syr lost her partner because the combat score wasn't up to par.

Less because my vote didn't win, but because it would make best daughter very sad.

The post I was responding to stated that the captain or merchant could avoid death by staying off Avernus, which I think was mentioned as being unacceptable for the population. Not that any particular candidate is unacceptable. They all ended up on the short list after all.

See the above, I don't contest that they are all acceptable candidates. I'm arguing against the notion they could get away from the danger by not living on Avernus while Syr is governor. Specifically the population would look down on that specific choice.
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Yes Frederick could die next turn. But its far more likely he will die at age 750+, especially if he has a breakthrough and hits paragon combat.

And if Frederick makes it that far, Syr and her husband will be well into their 500s and we will be debating who Fred's grandchildren should marry.

So, high combat is not as big a driver for me as it would normally be.

If Frederick chooses to remarry? Sure, go all in on a 40 combat war demi-goddess, but this is not that vote.
 
nat_401 said:
Syr is more likely to run the Trust Fleet than rule Avernus in the future and her husband having to rule by her side seems completely arbitrary to me, as long as they are doing there duty the Avernites will be satisfied, this just seems to fall under Syr's criteria, the question of what if Syr becomes governor definitely came up in the vetting process and all candidate's pass.
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I'll agree to disagree on husbando's duty regarding Syr being governor.
 
[X] Marry Baron Sigmund 'The Defiant' of the Aesir- best combat, decent Martial, allows formation of Knight House on Avernus.
 
God rouge reader actions would be so fun, and it would help with our constant resource deficit also better ties with dragons nest who knows what goodies they have. But Knights vs Dragons, and they wouldn't be just lent us. Uggghhhhh
 
[X] Marry Alfons Uberti of the Uberti Dynasty- best admin by far, close ties with Uberti Rogue Trader Dynasty of Dragon's Nest, political ties with Dragon's Nest.

Firstborn son of a successful Rogue Trader Dynasty doesn't come along often. There will always be lots of Knights we can marry and bring in later.
 
[X] Marry Baron Sigmund 'The Defiant' of the Aesir- best combat, decent Martial, allows formation of Knight House on Avernus.
 
Seriously people knights vs dragons might be fun but knights are Asgard's schtick for a reason and when we get black ships we can probably set up a telepathica branch to train Pysker Knights there.

Action limit is a thing Knight and Pysker knights would be major investment we'd have to spend a turns doing when Asgard could probably do it better.
 
Azgrin said:
It's Avernus, as much as it pains me to say it Freddy could die next turn in any number of terrible ways. Which means Syr gets to take up the reins, with what will hopefully be a long lived Husbando. It would crush me if Syr lost her partner because the combat score wasn't up to par.
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I'll note that the combat score defense is granular, not absolute. 35 being a relatively safe point doesn't mean that 34 or 30 don't give any safety. Plus all but Sigmund have a "less likely to die" in one of their traits.
 
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[X] Marry Alfons Uberti of the Uberti Dynasty- best admin by far, close ties with Uberti Rogue Trader Dynasty of Dragon's Nest, political ties with Dragon's Nest.
 
Just to put it out there we're not going to be using Black Ships to transport Psykers to be trained as Psy-Knights anywhere. Training to become a Psy-Knight pilot will only happen after they have gone through the trials. Then it will take a few decades of training for them to be able to use the system without a major debuff. If you want to cut that time down we need to have the best trainers available. With Sigmund on the planet we can set up preliminary training while they're getting ready for their trials as well. We wouldn't be training every single one that's a potential pilot only the ones that are the best and most likely to succeed. We need to stack the deck in our favors for these Knights as much as possible. That way we can actually start deploying them relatively quickly.
 
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[X] Marry Alfons Uberti of the Uberti Dynasty- best admin by far, close ties with Uberti Rogue Trader Dynasty of Dragon's Nest, political ties with Dragon's Nest.

I see the psyker knights as being another huge resource sink. And rather than being part of our specialty I see them as more cutting into Asgard's specialty. 10% extra thrones is a lot of money we can use. There are projects that even with our STC implementations are hugely costly.

Adventwolf said:
Just to put it out there we're not going to be using Black Ships to transport Psykers to be trained as Psy-Knights anywhere. Training to become a Psy-Knight pilot will only happen after they have gone through the trials. Then it will take a few decades of training for them to be able to use the system without a major debuff. If you want to cut that time down we need to have the best trainers available. With Sigmund on the planet we can set up preliminary training while they're getting ready for their trials as well. We wouldn't be training every single one that's a potential pilot only the ones that are the best and most likely to succeed. We need to stack the deck in our favors for these Knights as much as possible. That way we can actually start deploying them relatively quickly.
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Or we send the trained psykers to Asgard to be trained by the best trainers there. Rather than splitting the best trainers across a second planet eating into Asgard's own knight training. Sigmund is already training knights for Asgard, if we dump our knight candidates into the same program he'd still be training them. This also saves a lot of time and actions spent setting up a knight training program here because we can just use the one Asgard already has.

I don't really get why people think we have to train them on Avernus.
 
[X] Marry Alfons Uberti of the Uberti Dynasty- best admin by far, close ties with Uberti Rogue Trader Dynasty of Dragon's Nest, political ties with Dragon's Nest.
 
Stormgear said:
Yeah but making sure that it's us means that Avernus can more readily benefit from trade agreements or interactions with the Dragons. The Trust isn't a singular entity, as we've seen from Bertil's behavior over the past few decades. It's important to position Avernus in such a way that we can continue to push the progressive agenda throughout the entire polity.

Also, we argued for the merger to begin with, so it'd look good if we walked the walk as much as we talked the talk.
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Going to point out that we don't really need to marry into the Dragon's Nest to do diplomacy with them. After all we still spent a lot of time improving our relationship with the rest of the Trust without such things and they are now pretty good for the most part. We also do have several feet in the door as to speak. First we had Lin help overhaul their religion that has had quite an impact. Second we can have Ridcully help with rooting out any spies they have and he'd actually do better than the mundane experts. We can also just use our diplomacy actions to start helping with that right away.
 
inverted_helix said:
[X] Marry Alfons Uberti of the Uberti Dynasty- best admin by far, close ties with Uberti Rogue Trader Dynasty of Dragon's Nest, political ties with Dragon's Nest.

I see the psyker knights as being another huge resource sink. And rather than being part of our specialty I see them as more cutting into Asgard's specialty. 10% extra thrones is a lot of money we can use. There are projects that even with our STC implementations are hugely costly.

Or we send the trained psykers to Asgard to be trained by the best trainers there. Rather than splitting the best trainers across a second planet eating into Asgard's own knight training. Sigmund is already training knights for Asgard, if we dump our knight candidates into the same program he'd still be training them. This also saves a lot of time and actions spent setting up a knight training program here because we can just use the one Asgard already has.

I don't really get why people think we have to train them on Avernus.
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Knights vs Dragons!!! Basically
 
[X] Marry Baron Sigmund 'The Defiant' of the Aesir- best combat, decent Martial, allows formation of Knight House on Avernus.

Psyker Knights. That's all.
 
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