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Neither, the flood is the flood…the galaxy is good nothing more.
The Galaxy is Flood, Not Food
- Thread starter Jackson Fox
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Neither, the flood is the flood…the galaxy is good nothing more.
CaramelTheMoo
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I think it would still wipe out any flood forms with neural pathways? Idk I remember seeing an animation where a fleet of flood infected (ie, big tentacles coming out of them) gets the flood biomass destroyed by the energy wave. Not like it really matters in 40K tho.
Either way, it will be the galaxy that receives the consequences : )
Oh, no, the Flood from Halo is absolutely malevolent. The Flood doesn't infect and kill because it needs to, it does it because it wants to. Whether or not the MC is the same is definitely a question that will be important to him and to the galaxy as a whole.
I've also thought that. The Halo Legends animations make it look like it kills the Flood as well as everyone else. Its why I think its really up for debate and interpretation. Personally, I'm of the opinion that the Flood spores and stuff would survive the firing of the rings, but Flood forms made up of consumed people like the Combat Forms, the Pure Forms, and the central intelligences like the protos and graveminds and keyminds would all get eradicated or reduced to their base Flood components.
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'Looks at old creator table results'
Thinking about both good and evil, how about your SI, besides his own SM legion; creates his own Order Hospitaller.
What better way enter Imperium worlds undetected and spread the Flood then by the very much loved Battle Nurses.
When in doubt blame the eldar was the first Commander story I ever read and it was what made me a part of this fandom. Really great story and I'm always sad that it never got finished. Commander Black could mix serious and funny quite well, which I always appreciated, though it isn't my style of writing. I try to take the story seriously with just a few instances of funny. Preferably with an undertone of 'haha, we're all gonna fucking die'.
That's a great idea! I might just have to steal that now.
Though, I do have a question for you and everyone else. If/When I write my own Flood Space Marines, Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle, or whatever, what aesthetic should I go for? I'm interested in suggestions. I'd like it to not be Flood-aesthetic since, presumably, these forces would try to conceal that affiliation (Also the Death Guard might send a Cease and Desist)
Strunkriidiisk
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More literal 'flood/water' imagery - i.e. Wavebreakers, Angels Tempestuous, Order of [Cleansing/Purifying] Rains, etc
Alternately, plant and floral imagery - i.e. Brother/Sisterhood of the Poppy, etc
Alternately, plant and floral imagery - i.e. Brother/Sisterhood of the Poppy, etc
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hmmm make a "traitor legion" for the "Death guard" forces, and perhaps loyalist version as well. Nothing like spreading flood spores to constant worlds in need of dire aid...and once you hit a argi world its fucking game over for the imperium because now you can infect their very food supplies.
and have it more flora desgin, or if your really going for that theatric...go blibical name/design for noah's ark.
and have it more flora desgin, or if your really going for that theatric...go blibical name/design for noah's ark.
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... so the whole flood spore thing got me thinking. How is the infection going to work against orks?
Like I can see them wanting them as pets to fight or something.
Like I can see them wanting them as pets to fight or something.
Strunkriidiisk
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Unless the Orks lack a centralized nervous system they can almost certainly be infected. Assuming they can't, they can probably be broken down by more indirect means. Direct Flood infection seems to require a central 'brain' or equivalent, but there were instances of the Flood converting entire planetary biospheres into Flood biomass during the war with the Forerunners, which would have to include things (like plants) that are notionally uninfectable.
Whether Orks can be directly infected or not (and I suspect they can) really only matters in terms of the amount of effort the Flood has to put in to overtake them.
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My question was actually more of a would work spores fuck up flood spores or not?
Yeah, the worms that make up the Hunters and Scarabs aren't able to be infected either, but their raw biomass can still be used. The same is true for plants and other forms of life. The way I see it is that the more intelligent Flood forms like Protos and Graveminds require sentients to be infected in order to gain said intelligence.
I don't believe they would, ork spores are prolific but they don't naturally infect anything. That said, ork immune systems are pretty dang good and orks are known to be able to sense anything 'un-orky'. So, an infected Ork is getting merced and I think infecting them would take more time, though its by no means impossible. The ork spores probably lack the same kind of immune system as their grown cousins.
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Flood/Tyranid Hybrids are scary... And incredibly fluffy as some mushrooms are quite floofy.
Ork spores are bullshit but not so much infection wise as in how robust they are. Bar burning them very thoroughly you are not getting rid of them. Even Flood organisms could probably carry them around on inorganic surfaces, especially if they come from purple painted orks.
The bigger problem with orks is that they and WAAGH field in general are repositories of Old Ones military knowledge. If even one ork survives the initial infection spread he most likely will turn into a Doc, Mek or Weird Boy with biological focus. Basically downloading info needed to fight the Flood from the Warp - not all of it but the more relevant bits and some random bullshit. And the more encounters there will be between Flood and Orks the worse it will get.
The good thing - MC would be able to steal parts of Old Ones non warp tech from orks. The bad thing is that they will become exponentially harder to fight as conflict progresses.
Orks are horrible opponents on large scale.
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Mid-end game flood are just as horrifying if not worse, since even the orks attack moons abd war planets would be torn apart but star roads made by the flood.
And a end-game grave mine might as well just tell the universe how physics work and change it on a near whim…it's his forerunner tech got shanked by the flood.
Yeah, but Orks fought Necrons, after Necrons managed to outlive Old Ones and shanked C'Tan, and Necrons preferred to go to sleep than to fight Orks to the win. And that's accounting for the fact that Necrons used temporal and dimensional technologies in their previous war and they also have the ability to just destroy the whole Galaxy. And still they preferred to allow Orks degenerate into a lesser state without worthy opponents than to deal with them.
The problem with the orks is that what we see now in 40k is basically orks sitting on the couch and drinking beer while watching a football match. The few times they managed to wake up even partially led to horrible amounts of destruction that make their normal excursions look tame in comparison.
It won't matter who wins in the end because there would be little left of the Galaxy.
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That kind of doesn't matter to the flood since it would just spread to other galaxies to fine t and spread…
Strunkriidiisk
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"Oh good, free snacks."
Ork spores are still organic, so the Flood can still assimilate them. Considering the rate that Orks gestate at, the 'best' case scenario is a slow trickle of feral Orks popping up in the middle of a fully developed planetary Key Mind (Flood work lightning-fast by any standards but especially by 40k's - infection/conversion takes seconds usually and minutes at most, and they demonstrably overran Installation 04 in days and High Charity in hours), while the most likely is that the planetary Flood notices and assimilates the nascent patches of Orkoid ecosystem before they can do much more than produce some slightly unusual mushrooms.
Considering that the Flood infection is airborne and Orks don't regularly wear NBC gear, that sounds like a great way to induce mass infighting in the enemy ranks that the Flood can take advantage of - either the infected Orks are priority and continue to be as more are infected from passive spore contact (distracting a number of them from the fight), or they aren't and the conversion is unimpeded, and then the Flood has more bodies in the Orks' midst and backlines.
What's a really interesting problem to have for me is that I have/get to figure out how the Flood interacts with all these different Xenos and Soul-stuff, on diplomatic, biological, and mental level. Its one of the things I hope will help to make this story as fascinating for you all to read as it will be for me to write.
The power level of these factions is something of huge contention, even just in their own separate universes, though especially with 40k.
On count of the Flood, they're essentially the new incarnation of the Precursors, beings capable of moving around galaxies and creating life basically on a whim. The Forerunners, at the height of their power, were only able to defeat them basically because they were allowing themselves to be slaughtered out of the belief that this was just a part of life. The Flood weren't so willing to just lay down and die and, even without access to a lot of the crazier stuff the Precursors could do, nearly wiped out all life in the galaxy. The best aspect of the Flood, beyond their Neural Physics abilities, is that they turn the strengths of their enemies into their own. Usually, that's through infection or Logic Plague.
Meanwhile, 40k is a clusterfuck of various factions none of which, with the exception of the Tau, are at the height of their power. The Imperium is a shadow of the DAoT humanity, the Orks have devolved because of no 'good' fights, the Tyranids are still waiting for the bulk of their forces, the Necrons are fractured, partially asleep, diminished and without the full power of the Star Gods to assist them, and don't even get me started on the Eldar. People have argued that each of these factions at their height is stronger than the rest for a variety of reasons, but we simply don't know enough about them to be sure. Generally, I think people acknowledge that War in Heaven era Necrons are at least stronger than the other WiH factions, but even that could be contributed to the assistance of the Star Gods rather than the overwhelming power of their technology.
What's important to remember going forward, I think, is that none of the 40k factions are at the level of the War in Heaven, maybe with the exception of the Tyranids. I'd argue that none of the factions of 40k, even Tyranids, could fight the Forerunners at the time of the Flood infection.
A lot of my opinions and thoughts about this came originally from PancreasNoWork's What If? videos on if the Flood, Forerunners, or Covenant had each entered the 40k universe. I really recommend him, since he's funny and does great work, though he admits he has a bias for Halo.
The power level of these factions is something of huge contention, even just in their own separate universes, though especially with 40k.
On count of the Flood, they're essentially the new incarnation of the Precursors, beings capable of moving around galaxies and creating life basically on a whim. The Forerunners, at the height of their power, were only able to defeat them basically because they were allowing themselves to be slaughtered out of the belief that this was just a part of life. The Flood weren't so willing to just lay down and die and, even without access to a lot of the crazier stuff the Precursors could do, nearly wiped out all life in the galaxy. The best aspect of the Flood, beyond their Neural Physics abilities, is that they turn the strengths of their enemies into their own. Usually, that's through infection or Logic Plague.
Meanwhile, 40k is a clusterfuck of various factions none of which, with the exception of the Tau, are at the height of their power. The Imperium is a shadow of the DAoT humanity, the Orks have devolved because of no 'good' fights, the Tyranids are still waiting for the bulk of their forces, the Necrons are fractured, partially asleep, diminished and without the full power of the Star Gods to assist them, and don't even get me started on the Eldar. People have argued that each of these factions at their height is stronger than the rest for a variety of reasons, but we simply don't know enough about them to be sure. Generally, I think people acknowledge that War in Heaven era Necrons are at least stronger than the other WiH factions, but even that could be contributed to the assistance of the Star Gods rather than the overwhelming power of their technology.
What's important to remember going forward, I think, is that none of the 40k factions are at the level of the War in Heaven, maybe with the exception of the Tyranids. I'd argue that none of the factions of 40k, even Tyranids, could fight the Forerunners at the time of the Flood infection.
A lot of my opinions and thoughts about this came originally from PancreasNoWork's What If? videos on if the Flood, Forerunners, or Covenant had each entered the 40k universe. I really recommend him, since he's funny and does great work, though he admits he has a bias for Halo.
Jensaarai
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Orks, along with Tyranids, have a pretty big presence in the Warp that can directly help them influence reality, which might be enough to stall or slow down Flood infection.
The Necrons though are probably the best suited to fighting Flood. As is right and proper for the True Winners of the WiH.
On the matter of the SI/MC dying, he might actually be functionally unkillable, since the Flood are only an extension that the Gravemind accesses from some repository hidden away in slipspace. Though there's probably still lose conditions, destroying the physical 'terminal' is only a delay.
The Necrons though are probably the best suited to fighting Flood. As is right and proper for the True Winners of the WiH.
On the matter of the SI/MC dying, he might actually be functionally unkillable, since the Flood are only an extension that the Gravemind accesses from some repository hidden away in slipspace. Though there's probably still lose conditions, destroying the physical 'terminal' is only a delay.
Not_Interesting
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Ok you have me interested! I wonder, if the Flood still can do Neural physics, because that will be broken. Making Star-roads and Slipspace drives will immediatelly put the Flood above most powers in sheer mobility. This will be an interesting fic, wonder where you´ll take it.
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Orks, along with Tyranids, have a pretty big presence in the Warp that can directly help them influence reality, which might be enough to stall or slow down Flood infection.
The Necrons though are probably the best suited to fighting Flood. As is right and proper for the True Winners of the WiH.
On the matter of the SI/MC dying, he might actually be functionally unkillable, since the Flood are only an extension that the Gravemind accesses from some repository hidden away in slipspace. Though there's probably still lose conditions, destroying the physical 'terminal' is only a delay.
Yeah, Necrons are likely to be rough going for the SI. Same can be said of the Dark Eldar, who are quite accomplished at genecraft themselves (their deranged homonculi are, anyways).
Neural Physics is likely going to be a very important aspect of the Flood's capabilities in this story. It will take a little while to explain all the powers and stuff through the story though.
Strunkriidiisk
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It would be amusing if the lower-order/more degraded Necrons (the ones who are functionally just servitors) are vulnerable to the Logic Plague.
Hey, if Slaanesh can decide a Necron warrior can feel pride in killing Lucius the Eternal, I don't think this should be considered a stretch.
(Though that was serious bullshit)
