The Galaxy is Flood, Not Food

I half wonder if the dreams are a consequence of this humanity's psychic nature?

To one degree or another, all humans are psykers, for most it is negligible.
But the Affected are all linked in a manner of speaking through Tide, potentially creating a sort of psychic Web connecting everyone.

This might have interesting implications whenever he manages to infect a more significantly powerful psyker.
 
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Interesting. I wonder what she saw? The Infection Form burrowing in? Or something else? The Gangs of the Underhive are going to get organized. But it's already too late for that Hive City. Question is, will the other Hive Cities take note?
 
Regardless, the ability to create Neural Architecture was well beyond him at the moment. Which left the one he'd have the most immediate access to and was one that only required a Gravemind to utilize, something his Proto-Gravemind would quickly be large enough to achieve. The Gravemind essentially wrapped its tentacles around something, usually a ship, and 'threw' it from the planet.
That description seems to be very close to how Necron old FTL drive works that they no longer use - Pharos Device. The old lore version could be used as a Warp beacon but its main function was to work as a quantum gate, a la Supreme Commander, allowing for immediate transfer to desired location.
 
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Interesting. I wonder what she saw? The Infection Form burrowing in? Or something else? The Gangs of the Underhive are going to get organized. But it's already too late for that Hive City. Question is, will the other Hive Cities take note?
Given how it's mentioned he choosed to walk hunched probably a consequence of him acting out of character (apologizing) and seeing him walk straight
 
Awesome chapter

Also @Jackson Fox after reading this…
Tide knew the Flood from Halo likely hadn't ever infected someone and chosen to only remain partially dormant within them, as he had with the Altered. So, that might explain why he had no understanding of what was happening.
Has Tide checked in on pregnant women who he has turned Altered?
Hell, has it occurred to him what would happen if an Altered female become pregnant and would later give birth, how would the child come out?

Also, Happy Black Friday.
 
So quick question: it's already stated that tide has a fragment of precursor knowledge and if he gets to gravemind level he might be able to access it. Shouldn't it have the inner workings of slip space in there or at least the basics of slip space so that he can reverse engineer it.
Also crick was definitely a slaneesh cultist wasn't he in which case: shit.
also Also when is tide gonna get some normal human combat forms. I get that he has a moral code to keep up but you can't actually expect every person he infects is a good samaritin
Final also: I would expect him to be much smarter at this point or at least think much faster. Didn't he eat like 94 people in his first outing and turn them in proto gravemind mass. I would imagine it's like upgrading from windows 1.0 to windows 10?
 
Damn, its such a shame he doesnt have Slipspace technology (tho we dont know if Slipspace even exists in this universe). The shenanigans you can do with it at the higher levels...
 
El FLOOOOoood puede infectar a todos los seres vivos y muertos con un cuerpo y si una mente abandonó su cuerpo anterior eso no es nada porque el FLOOOOoood puede infectarlos en una forma más relativa (¿tal vez el alma? o la composición abstracta de la estructura de su conciencia? como si infectaran su esencia misma) Esa es la razón por la cual los precursores no ganaron la guerra, cuando se infectan lo hacen absolutamente sin escapatoria, no importa si tienen la tecnología más avanzada del universo y eso sin contar ¿Los distintos gravesminds que creo que eran? ¿O tal vez fueron llamados mentes clave? el FLOOOOoood del tamaño de los planetas y más. Me gusta mucho esto porque el FLOOOoood es la más increíble de las plagas galácticas.
The FLOOOOoood can infect all living and dead beings with a body and if a mind abandoned its previous body that is nothing because the FLOOOOoood can infect them in a more relative form (maybe the soul? or the abstract composition of the structure of your consciousness? as if they infected your very essence) That is the reason why the precursors did not win the war, when they become infected they do so with absolutely no escape, it does not matter if they have the most advanced technology in the universe and that is not counting the different graveminds I think they were? Or maybe they were called key minds? the FLOOOOoood of the size of the planets and more. I really like this because the FLOOOoood is the most incredible of galactic pests.


Translation in google translate...
 
I'm just waiting for the time when Tide is throwing around the classic bungie style writing in the warhammer verse, straight out of Marathon and Halo.

Name?

Names are unimportant, but I know yours. I'll never tell him, don't worry. I know better.

Him?

You know. I can't say. He who rises with the tides, master of all things small and insignificant.

Tides?

Not the tides, fool! Don't you understand?

There were some really killer lines and the dialogue over all just flowed so well and so expertly crafted.
 
I just realized that the guardsmen are probably the biggest threat to tide more than even space marines for one simple thing. The humble lazgun. While in the game it might be super weak if you look at the lore of the thing you come to realize that the lazgun is kinda the perfect gun. It has multiple firing modes can be used as a grenade is one of the few things in warhammer 40k that can be produced en mass and Is easy to understand on how to make. The floods main weakness is fire and lasers and last I checked guardsmen employ a lot of lasers. Sisters of battle and salamanders would probably be next considering how much fire they deploy. Normal bolters while effective will just spread infected bile around in a big Gorey mess. Actually I can't think of one faction in 40k that doesn't utilize something that exploits the flood. Tide gotta be careful.
 
I just realized that the guardsmen are probably the biggest threat to tide more than even space marines for one simple thing. The humble lazgun. While in the game it might be super weak if you look at the lore of the thing you come to realize that the lazgun is kinda the perfect gun. It has multiple firing modes can be used as a grenade is one of the few things in warhammer 40k that can be produced en mass and Is easy to understand on how to make. The floods main weakness is fire and lasers and last I checked guardsmen employ a lot of lasers. Sisters of battle and salamanders would probably be next considering how much fire they deploy. Normal bolters while effective will just spread infected bile around in a big Gorey mess. Actually I can't think of one faction in 40k that doesn't utilize something that exploits the flood. Tide gotta be careful.
On a micro scale, sure, fire based weapons are pretty bad. When it gets to the point that the air is more spore than gas, though, there's only so much flamers and lasguns can do to the Flood. They'll probably slow down the infection a bit, assuming Tide isn't subtle when attacking a planet, but it's still a losing game.
 
On a micro scale, sure, fire based weapons are pretty bad. When it gets to the point that the air is more spore than gas, though, there's only so much flamers and lasguns can do to the Flood. They'll probably slow down the infection a bit, assuming Tide isn't subtle when attacking a planet, but it's still a losing game.
Yeah, at this point virus bombs that turn all organics on the planet into reaction mass is the only way.
 
On a micro scale, sure, fire based weapons are pretty bad. When it gets to the point that the air is more spore than gas, though, there's only so much flamers and lasguns can do to the Flood. They'll probably slow down the infection a bit, assuming Tide isn't subtle when attacking a planet, but it's still a losing game.

Yeah,pretty much the war is already lost for the gene stealers and imperials

36 million altered means tide has a killswitch ready to go off at any moment

And he is going to war with the underhive as well

The R means roughly the infection expectatives

1.2 means that a infected would infect 1.2 people,or in actual practical numbers,for every 10 already carrying the disease they wpuld infect 12 person total

And daily rate of pandemic diseases is around 1 to 4 percent daily

At 36 millions it would take around 6 to 7 months to infect the whole hive (passively)

Active targetting could probably halve the time
 
I just realized that the guardsmen are probably the biggest threat to tide more than even space marines for one simple thing. The humble lazgun. While in the game it might be super weak if you look at the lore of the thing you come to realize that the lazgun is kinda the perfect gun. It has multiple firing modes can be used as a grenade is one of the few things in warhammer 40k that can be produced en mass and Is easy to understand on how to make. The floods main weakness is fire and lasers and last I checked guardsmen employ a lot of lasers. Sisters of battle and salamanders would probably be next considering how much fire they deploy. Normal bolters while effective will just spread infected bile around in a big Gorey mess. Actually I can't think of one faction in 40k that doesn't utilize something that exploits the flood. Tide gotta be careful.

Amusingly lasguns will be just as explosive for combat forms as bolters, lasguns dump so much energy that they tend to make flesh explode rather than burn.
Lasguns are very, very powerful, it's just that the Imperium of Man has been so effective that everyone the lasgun could curbstomp is already dead and now you have foes with very good armour.

If I recall correctly bolters can be outfitted with incendiary rounds also.
 
Awesome chapter

Also @Jackson Fox after reading this…

Has Tide checked in on pregnant women who he has turned Altered?
Hell, has it occurred to him what would happen if an Altered female become pregnant and would later give birth, how would the child come out?

Also, Happy Black Friday.

He has not : )

Happy Black Friday to you and everyone else!

So quick question: it's already stated that tide has a fragment of precursor knowledge and if he gets to gravemind level he might be able to access it. Shouldn't it have the inner workings of slip space in there or at least the basics of slip space so that he can reverse engineer it.
Also crick was definitely a slaneesh cultist wasn't he in which case: shit.
also Also when is tide gonna get some normal human combat forms. I get that he has a moral code to keep up but you can't actually expect every person he infects is a good samaritin
Final also: I would expect him to be much smarter at this point or at least think much faster. Didn't he eat like 94 people in his first outing and turn them in proto gravemind mass. I would imagine it's like upgrading from windows 1.0 to windows 10?

So, the level of knowledge Tide has access to isn't much further beyond a general sense of his capabilities and what he knows the Flood and Precursors were capable of. Anything more specific than that will require him to gain some experience in using the abilities he has and learning more about his powers. He does not just have access to all Precursor knowledge right off the bat, its a combination of learning new things over time through trial, error, and occasional bursts of new knowledge as his mind becomes more powerful.

Also, for those of you wondering, Tide is not the Proto-Gravemind, he is the Flood. While the Proto is a powerful and very useful form, its a mistake to think of the Flood as being so centralized. Every combat form and infection pod, every spore within an Altered and in the air, is Tide.

As for his morality... Well, Tide's trying to maintain some distance outside of the affairs of humanity. Partly out of self-preservation and partly because he doesn't trust himself enough to not fuck things up and even just because he recognizes he really can't be judge, jury, and executioner for such a massive population. He's in a weird spot right now where he is simultaneously attempting to not interfere and also gain absolute control over his surroundings, both in an effort to survive without committing atrocities.

As for his intelligence, I think its important to separate intelligence from wisdom. Basically, at this moment, Tide is able to solve lots of math problems at the same time or think about many things or a lot about a few things, etc. However, in terms of wisdom, or what passes for it in 40k, he still has a lot to learn. Now, if he ate the memories of a wise person, he'd probably do a lot better.

I'm just waiting for the time when Tide is throwing around the classic bungie style writing in the warhammer verse, straight out of Marathon and Halo.



There were some really killer lines and the dialogue over all just flowed so well and so expertly crafted.

Honestly, 50% of the reason I started this story was just because of this.

I just realized that the guardsmen are probably the biggest threat to tide more than even space marines for one simple thing. The humble lazgun. While in the game it might be super weak if you look at the lore of the thing you come to realize that the lazgun is kinda the perfect gun. It has multiple firing modes can be used as a grenade is one of the few things in warhammer 40k that can be produced en mass and Is easy to understand on how to make. The floods main weakness is fire and lasers and last I checked guardsmen employ a lot of lasers. Sisters of battle and salamanders would probably be next considering how much fire they deploy. Normal bolters while effective will just spread infected bile around in a big Gorey mess. Actually I can't think of one faction in 40k that doesn't utilize something that exploits the flood. Tide gotta be careful.

Honestly, the biggest threat would prolly be Necrons as they're the closest thing 40k has for a hard counter to the Flood. Metal bodies and molecular disintegration weapons which would reduce biomass. That said, Logic Plague is one route.

On a micro scale, sure, fire based weapons are pretty bad. When it gets to the point that the air is more spore than gas, though, there's only so much flamers and lasguns can do to the Flood. They'll probably slow down the infection a bit, assuming Tide isn't subtle when attacking a planet, but it's still a losing game.

There is also this. Not much to do to deal with that beyond lighting the atmosphere on fire.

Yeah,pretty much the war is already lost for the gene stealers and imperials

36 million altered means tide has a killswitch ready to go off at any moment

And he is going to war with the underhive as well

The R means roughly the infection expectatives

1.2 means that a infected would infect 1.2 people,or in actual practical numbers,for every 10 already carrying the disease they wpuld infect 12 person total

And daily rate of pandemic diseases is around 1 to 4 percent daily

At 36 millions it would take around 6 to 7 months to infect the whole hive (passively)

Active targetting could probably halve the time

There are a number of factors I included in how I determined the numbers, though you're not far off. I might one day release the numbers, once I've polished them up a bit.
 
And now i want to see Tide have a conversation with the Inquisitor, because no lie Graveminds can be some of the most terrifyingly competent speakersout there. Like, Graveminds have the Best voices to scare the hell out of someone, or even worse, let them realize exactly how horrifying it is something so alien is still able to communicate with humans.

Is he at the size of the Gravemind from Halo 1 or 2 yet? Giant mouth, massive base stalk anchored to something, giant tentacles of teleportation and worse?
 
Oh oh.

Right now, I am trying to imagine a best and worse case scenario for this and I got hit with a case that is both.
Best- all male born-altered kids compatibility with an SM gene-seed is 100% with no rejection.

Worst- When I say 100%, I don't mean just with one seed. I mean with ALL Gene-Seeds!!!
Both Loyal and Traitor chapters will want to get this kids for their chapters to increase their numbers.
 
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