As soon as tide realizes his space hulk has Dark Mechanicum aboard, he's gonna yeet the thing into the sun, or rip it apart with the star road
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A bit too large for mass-production and infantry usage.
I don't think they would compare to Thunder Warriors. Since those guys were even stronger than Space Marines with their Augments.
Fallout Power Armor while potent, isn't quite Thunder Warriors level potent.
Anyhow.
The Dark Mechanicum is a problem, but the Wendigo is a more immediate one. And more foreshadowing of the threat in the Ghoul Stars.
Cosmic horrors aside, what was the variant of PA that Tide showcased to his tech priests? Something exotic or the more common (and famous) T45/60?
It was the T-45 power armor. The frame it was set on was one that at least gives the appearance of being hermetically sealed, to better give the cog-boys an idea of what Tide is going for.
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Awww how cute, they're bonding.
And huh, I completely forgot about the spacehulk being a thing.
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I see. It's a good starting point, given that the other variants are pretty advanced.
I can't wait to see what they will cook up.
Where do you guys put the F!PA on the Warhammer scale?
If you were to just take, say, the T-51 as is, I'd say the protective value is as good as most kinds of carapace armor. The added strength wouldn't stand up I think even to an unarmored space marine, but would probably be stronger than the average Ork boy, maybe as good as your average Nob. It's not going to do well against any of 40k's power armored soldiers though. The armor isn't very fast, at least in 40k terms, so I can see it having trouble against evasive enemies like Eldar without an augmented pilot.
It would be a godsend to the Guard, but even if they figured out how to manufacture it they probably would spend those resources on another, flashier faction. They might even just straight up make a new one, like some kind of discount Sisters of Battle group. Perhaps the Mechanicus would fund it, using the troops to find and secure lost technology. They could build a bond between the troops as well to improve its effectiveness, make it a Brotherhood if you will. A Brotherhood of… I don't know, iron I guess?
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How does it compare to say, Sister or Inquisitor base power armor?
Something more advanced like SM and other Aliens versions are obviously too much given that those are more comparable to MJOLNIRs.
I'd say it's inferior in protection and strength to Sister gear. Definitely inferior in speed and the occupants (regular soldier vs a Sororitas) also have serious differences in skill and possibly even strength since Sisters are supposed to be the pinnacle of baseline humanity without augments. There's a lot more variety in Inquisitor gear, which can be superior to even Astartes armor.
It's just generally less advanced, less maneuverable, less protective, and weaker. Still quite good, better than anything a regular Guardsman could hope to get, but it's a solid downgrade compared to other types of power armor in 40k.
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How much punishment do you imagine something like the T-45 could put up with? Shrug off Lasguns?
And would that change if you moved up the F!PA ladder to the more advanced variants?
Awww, ngl I'm disappointed. Not enough appreciation for the X-01 and it's big ass collar. T-45 itself is an ok design, but was still a stop gap meature by the US, at least in universe. Similar to the situation Tide is using them too, now that I think of it. Still, power armor is power armor and if you can produce enough it works, in addition to 40k having a higher baseline for Tide to integrate.
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I personally am a bigger fan of the T-65. The segmented design makes the armor look so good.
The helmet is awesome too.
(I used to be a fan of the X-01 too though)
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It's probably the winterized power armour from the fallout 3 dlc operation anchorage
This all assumes though that you took the Fallout power armour as-is and transplanted it directly into 40k. And you aren't doing that. This was a major point of contention when the thread was talking about importing tanks from Halo: the Grizzly is a straight-up better tank than the Scorpion if you had access to the actual UNSC designs, but because Tide and his pet Admech are actually just making up tanks from scratch that just resemble their Halo sources you were better off working with the Scorpion anyway.
This is much the same thing. Why would the power frame be as (comparatively) underwhelming as the Fallout source material when you aren't making Fallout power frames? You're making 40k power frames with Fallout designs as inspiration. It's Fallout (and Halo) cosplay made with 40k technology. The only critical part of the design to carry over is the frame being a modular mounting for whatever armour you want. The only limits are the ones you design into it, even if those limits were intentional so you could have a mass-produced template.
... if nothing else, it should be better than carapace for the simple fact you can mount actual carapace plating to it but make it three times thicker than a human can carry.
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Also can those power armor lay down or kneel easily in the fight ? Because it would help a lot in not get picked off from a long range there because of their bigger profile again most warhammer 40k weapon. Especially the faction that invalid those armor there where the guard would need more mobility, the only pros would be bigger gun and allow for better fighting in hostile environment or vacuum space.
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The main strength of the Fallout armor is that it's design philosophy is cheap and reliable.
You have a frame that is structurally designed to carry heavy loads and is still relatively nimble by nature.
There's not a lot of complicated technology involved in Fallout Armor. These are things that can somehow still work after a century of wear and tear in a radioactive wasteland.
They are cheap to maintain, cheap to produce en-mass, and versatile.
For an army they are overpowered.
Even if their logistic profile is a bit larger than the average soldiers, the advantage they bring would make it worth it on just that alone.
And that's not even touching how versatile something that just increases carrying weight, endurance, and strength can be from a footsoldier perspective.
You can make so many modifications to a loadout, and the role they take from this alone.
While it cannot boost your speed by a crazy amount like other WH40K PA, it can give you more strength and endurance (with ease) while allowing you to have full functionality.
It doesn't take away from human mobility. You won't be any slower than it (unless you are superhumanly fast and outrun it in the first place).
The points you brought up are fairly nickpicky. There are a lot of Imperial units that prefer mobility.
The Guard is not one of those. And not to the point they would reject something like the Fallout PA to obtain lighter armor.
Also, again.
This isn't something to replace SM, Sister of Battle, or MJOLNIR armor.
This is something to boost the ability of the common soldier. Let them bring out heavy weaponry.
Let the casual human duel wield bolters or wield a heavy bolter solo without vehicular support (This thing can carry Vehicular mounted chainguns for god sake, that's an insane boost from a human perspective).
A faction with weapons that make armor irrelevant (Necrons for example), would curb stomps the Guard regardless.
You have a frame that is structurally designed to carry heavy loads and is still relatively nimble by nature.
There's not a lot of complicated technology involved in Fallout Armor. These are things that can somehow still work after a century of wear and tear in a radioactive wasteland.
They are cheap to maintain, cheap to produce en-mass, and versatile.
For an army they are overpowered.
Even if their logistic profile is a bit larger than the average soldiers, the advantage they bring would make it worth it on just that alone.
And that's not even touching how versatile something that just increases carrying weight, endurance, and strength can be from a footsoldier perspective.
You can make so many modifications to a loadout, and the role they take from this alone.
You can literally sneak around in Fallout while wearing PA.
While it cannot boost your speed by a crazy amount like other WH40K PA, it can give you more strength and endurance (with ease) while allowing you to have full functionality.
It doesn't take away from human mobility. You won't be any slower than it (unless you are superhumanly fast and outrun it in the first place).
The points you brought up are fairly nickpicky. There are a lot of Imperial units that prefer mobility.
The Guard is not one of those. And not to the point they would reject something like the Fallout PA to obtain lighter armor.
Also, again.
This isn't something to replace SM, Sister of Battle, or MJOLNIR armor.
This is something to boost the ability of the common soldier. Let them bring out heavy weaponry.
Let the casual human duel wield bolters or wield a heavy bolter solo without vehicular support (This thing can carry Vehicular mounted chainguns for god sake, that's an insane boost from a human perspective).
A faction with weapons that make armor irrelevant (Necrons for example), would curb stomps the Guard regardless.
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Honestly, despite everything fallout power armor isn't anything to sneeze at.
It's an infantry-sized walking tank. Has NBC capabilities, was specifically designed for a war with scarce resources, and was a grinding trench war of attrition.
Not to mention the fact that it allowed the US to invade China all the while fighting in Alaska, and after ten years of grinding attrition, let them by the imperiums standards win the war.
It's an infantry-sized walking tank. Has NBC capabilities, was specifically designed for a war with scarce resources, and was a grinding trench war of attrition.
Not to mention the fact that it allowed the US to invade China all the while fighting in Alaska, and after ten years of grinding attrition, let them by the imperiums standards win the war.
You're correct, however I was responding to a question about how how the Fallout power armors would fare in 40k, not how the armor Sathar and Vidriov will be designing will fare. It's a continuation of an earlier comment specifically about the actual power armor, not any recreation of it using 40k tech.
They can certainly kneel down and crouch. We've seen that repeatedly. I also see little reason why they couldn't crawl, though it'd probably be a little awkward for the wearer.
T-45 is certainly an interesting choice? Not the T-51 or T-60? I'm guessing it'll be a stopgap like the T-45 was in-universe?
Indeed, its best attributes in the 40k universe would be its ease of manufacture, not requiring augments to use and the general strength/endurance boost. Armour wise it'd probably be on par with the best of carapace armour, perhaps just the same materials but thicker.
It'd be useful in both combat and non-combat roles. Heavy weapons teams, construction, combat engineers, etc
Yeah, the logistical profile of power armour is a bit higher than a regular soldier as it requires the fuel source in this case fusion cores, (but a 40k copy/version could use something else), spare parts and personnel trained in maintaining the armour (unless the users are trained in maintenance as well??).
Though this issue is somewhat fixed by the fact that due to the inner frames modularity, you can just equip logistics units with power armour frames (maybe even some kind of special variant that forgoes armour for more powerful servos, etc?) if necessary.
There probably is some hit to mobility but not too much.
I don't think it'd be powerful enough to casually use multiple bolters or heavy bolters. They might be able to handle a normal bolter, or at least one fashioned into some kind of heavy weapon.
It's probably more accurate to refer to fallout power armour as walking IFVs than tanks, as PA is only resistant/immune to most small arms fire, any kind of heavier weaponry or anti-tank weapons would chew through them. Incredibly useful when the enemy can't bring heavy weapons to bear such as in close quarters. But if a squad of soldiers in power armour were caught out by an IFV with an autocannon, they'd be done.
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Everyone saying PA us getting me confused because i keep thinking it's Planetary Annihilation.
Some things about the cythor to know is that they exterminated another species however they did so for unknown reasons for all, we know the species, they exterminated could've been just as bad or worse as the Imperium
one was present on a Blackstone Fortresses
They are indeed, possibly from another dimension, as I think was stated in a 40 K book
Also, I do like that xeno libragis reference because the lexcanum doesn't state that the cythor themselves can dissipate into shards at will, I think
Or maybe this threat will be connected to those web ships tide saw in the warp
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The phrase "by the Imperium's standards" is doing a lot of work there.
And might not even be true considering this was Terra they were fighting on.Well the planet's biosphere is still intact so that's already a win.The phrase "by the Imperium's standards" is doing a lot of work there.
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It should be able to handle a Bolter atleast. Since it can handle 60kRPM 5mm Miniguns/the mininuke launcher.
I forgot that Bolters are comically large in comparison to their bullets, so they are probably ungodly heavy, but still.