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Taylor Hebert and Her Rather Sad Life [Worm/The Gamer/D&D3.5]

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DragonParadox said:
As insecure as Taylor is I do not think we could justify the perceived "betrayal" unless something major happened.
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Dude we're playing Taylor Hebert with encounters being an actual thing.

Its if/when something major happens.

DragonParadox said:
How would she even be able to see the corruption as a lowly Ward?
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DragonParadox said:
The PRT will promptly drop Sophia like a hot potato for Eidolon 2.0.
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You think mere lowly wards ward get the PRT to drop another ward in a place as bad as BB. Its canon that Taylor would've been miserable in the ward because they wouldn't have straight up "dropped Sophia like a hot potato" because canon!Taylor wasn't that valuable to them.

That's not even mentioning how in canon the wards, especially the BB wards did see the corruption.

DragonParadox said:
The magic word is "no."
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You can't expect me to believe Danny will simply let go the topic of his daughter constantly putting her life on the line with no support.

If she says no, he will ask why and when he hears Taylor's only reason to not go for the wards is literally fears of it being "highchool 2.0", he may just burst out laughing.

oh and Taylor mentioned she need a lot of work on hiding her secret ID. guess who could help with that?

frozenchicken said:
Personally, I just want to join up with New Wave. More fun.
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Not happening for a reason named Danny. For all the difficulties Danny and taylor have ( just talk to each other you fucking stubborn idiots) they still immensely love each other. Weaver had to be stopped from commiting sucidie when she learned Scion's rampage probably killed her dad.

Unless she can get some sort of gurantee that her dad will be protected, she will never go for that.
 
That's exactly why I'm suggesting it actually. In the event that Taylor's identity is impossible to conceal, New Wave is actually the best option for keeping Danny safe without resorting to extreme measures. New Wave are experts in living normal lives in spite of being in the open.
 
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    • Diller said:
    Dude we're playing Taylor Hebert with encounters being an actual thing.

    Its if/when something major happens.
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    Point

    Diller said:
    You think mere lowly wards ward get the PRT to drop another ward in a place as bad as BB. Its canon that Taylor would've been miserable in the ward because they wouldn't have straight up "dropped Sophia like a hot potato" because canon!Taylor wasn't that valuable to them.
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    She's valuable as a piece on the board. That does not mean the PRT is going to let her see anything meaningful .Indeed she is so valuable that they will do their level best do keep anything that may make her grow disenchanted away from her

    Diller said:
    You can't expect me to believe Danny will simply let go the topic of his daughter constantly putting her life on the line with no support.
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    The New Wave is not no support.

    Diller said:
    If she says no, he will ask why and when he hears Taylor's only reason to not go for the wards is literally fears of it being "highchool 2.0", he may just burst out laughing.

    oh and Taylor mentioned she need a lot of work on hiding her secret ID. guess who could help with that?
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    Unless you go public and have the New Wave guard the LoadTM​

    Diller said:
    Not happening for a reason named Danny. For all the difficulties Danny and taylor have ( just talk to each other you fucking stubborn idiots) they still immensely love each other. Weaver had to be stopped from commiting sucidie when she learned Scion's rampage probably killed her dad.

    Unless she can get some sort of gurantee that her dad will be protected, she will never go for that.
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    In a world like Earth Bet there are no guarantees.
     
    frozenchicken said:
    That's exactly why I'm suggesting it actually. In the event that Taylor's identity is impossible to conceal, New Wave is actually the best option for keeping Danny safe without resorting to extreme measures. New Wave are experts in living normal lives in spite of being in the open.
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    New Wave has the advantage that literally every member has super powers.
     
    DragonParadox said:
    The New Wave is not no support.



    Unless you go public and have the New Wave guard the LoadTM​



    In a world like Earth Bet there are no guarantees.
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    So you want Danny to have someone from New Wave dedicate a probably significant portion of their time just guarding Danny. Never mind how the members of New Wave have jobs or school beside superheroing. Nevermind how in big fights when all the members are needed. Danny is left defenseless.


    Nevermind how having our identity out in the open like that is practically begging for someone to with attack the dockworker a Union or kidnap Danny on/from work to get at us.

    Coil especially would be all over that shit so fast. Hell aren't the Docks near ABB or Merchant territory?
     
    Diller said:
    So you want Danny to have someone from New Wave dedicate a probably significant portion of their time just guarding Danny. Never mind how the members of New Wave have jobs or school beside superheroing. Nevermind how in big fights when all the members are needed. Danny is left defenseless.


    Nevermind how having our identity out in the open like that is practically begging for someone to with attack the dockworker a Union or kidnap Danny on/from work to get at us.

    Coil especially would be all over that shit so fast. Hell aren't the Docks near ABB or Merchant territory?
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    Taylor does not know about Coil IC ( and in any case he would have an easier time infiltrating PRT security measures). As for who to protect Danny said protection is more indirect and has to do with the threat of retaliation. After all its not like the PRT will assign agents yo guard him 24/7 since even if they did it would be worth nothing in the face of Parahuman assault.

    That said as we make waves Danny will likely be used against Taylor whatever we do unless something pings Contessa's PTV and she enforces a hands off policy for the likes of Coil.
     
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    DragonParadox said:
    Taylor does not know about Coil IC ( and in any case he would have an easier time infiltrating PRT security measures). As for who to protect Danny said protection is more indirect and has to do with the threat of retaliation. After all its not like the PRT will assign agents yo guard him 24/7 since even if they did it would be worth nothing in the face of Parahuman assault.

    That said as we make waves Danny will likely be used against Taylor whatever we do unless something pings Contessa's PTV and she enforces a hands off policy for the likes of Coil.
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    Forget Coil, it's fuckheads like Jack Slash that I'd be worried about.
     
    DragonParadox said:
    The Nine would go through any PRT defenses (if such were even set) like a hot knife through butter. Our best bet against the Nine is to do a Scry-and-Die the instant this becomes available.
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    Our best bet against the SH9 is not to have Danny available as a known target in the first place.
     
    [x] Go back home for now and...
    [x] Try to talk to her dad when he got home
     
    DragonParadox said:
    Taylor does not know about Coil IC ( and in any case he would have an easier time infiltrating PRT security measures). As for who to protect Danny said protection is more indirect and has to do with the threat of retaliation. After all its not like the PRT will assign agents yo guard him 24/7 since even if they did it would be worth nothing in the face of Parahuman assault.

    That said as we make waves Danny will likely be used against Taylor whatever we do unless something pings Contessa's PTV and she enforces a hands off policy for the likes of Coil.
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    The protection wouldn't be the agents. It would be no one knows that Danny is the parent of a Ward and even if they did, they'd do jackshit to him because the PRT would dogpile them. That's the kind of shit that could ruin the Wards program. Nevermind how such a violation of the unwritten rules could get other capes on you too.

    Also Coil is aiming for PRT director as well which means Taylor would already be under him if she joined the Wards. There would be no reason to do anything else.

    Depending what happens Contessa may or may not tell Coil to go hands off. We're talking the people who let the likes of Dinah be made into Coil's drugged slave. The third most powerful precog who could see the after effects of Scion, who warned everyone of Jack Slash. The same girl whose the cousin of Triumph a member of the Protecrerate and a Cauldron cape. The girl would've been a shoe-in for the Wards once she proved she had powers. They'd have to know we were Eidolon 2.0 to tell Coil to back off.

    Speaking of that if the PRT knows we could be Eidolon 2.0 so would Cauldron which means Cauldron would try to hells us out like say telling a certain snake if he tries anything on us, he's getting a bullet between his eyes one way or the other.

    DragonParadox said:
    They are not all bluet-proof or anything. What guards them is the threat of retaliation implicit to the unwritten rules. Those same rules would protect Danny.
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    The New Wave movement literally failed because Fleur got killed in civilian identity after her identity was revealed.

    You think Taylor and Danny won't think about that?

    Literally half the current members have force field. Brandish has her ball form. Manpower is a brute. Amy and Flashbang are the only members of New Wave without some form of being able to enhance their defense And Amy operates in a non combat role anyways. And something tells me after Fleur, they got slot more cautious.
     
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    New Wave FTW.

    [x] Go back home for now and...
    [x] Try to talk to her dad when he got home

    If I wanted to read about the Wards, I'd read one of the many other stories/quests.

    The 'Go to PRT' option includes 'dealing with high school' again, which implies that the option is likely to result in joining the Wards. Possibly by the PRT pushing for it in return for a secret identity. No, thank you.

    If that's not the case, we go to PRT and get a secret identity, before leaving. Three days later, a nice fellow calling himself 'Coil' contacts us and tells us Danny accidentally broke his arms and legs, and his 'recovery' depends on our loyalty and competence.

    If that doesn't happen, a certain Chief-Director will get an e-mail telling her of a Super Eidolon cape in Brockton Bay, and will answer it with a 'recruit at all costs'.
    Hey, didn't Cauldron sell all those vials in hopes of creating a new Eidolon?
    Thank God they won't do anything about it.
    It's not like they are a paranoid conspiracy that doesn't like the idea of not having a monopoly on power in general. No, sireeee~
    I mean, testing the Parahuman Feudal System in Brockton Bay is certainly far more important than an Eidolon, and it can't be done anywhere else.

    Oh, but wait!
    What did I just hear? That will all be fixed once we join the Wards?
    Yeah, that would certainly result in them not trying anything.
    Costa-Brown doesn't have the authority to transfer us somewhere closer to her, and our progress will not be limited at all.
    I mean, it's not like Danny fears us going out and getting shot at. So, even if we join the Wards and try to grind exp, I'm sure he won't have any objections to that.
    He'll try and push us towards the Wards in order to keep us safe, but he'll have no problem with us beating up villains and muggers to grind once we join them.
    Because we'll be a Ward.
    And the Wards are safe. Nobody has ever heard about a Ward fighting muggers or villains.
    No Ward has ever died. Nope.
    Because they joined the PRT and have their oversight, they are immortal.

    So, a family of superpowered people with no secret identities but more than enough willingness to beat the shit out of anyone stupid enough to kidnap/hurt a member of one of their members' family (NOT AGAIN!).
    A family which is not subordinate to a huge organization that anyone with Danny's experience should know has to be corrupted to some degree (no organization this size can avoid that), and will not be sent out to fight villains unless they willingly choose to do so...

    ...Or a group of superpowered teenagers subordinate to a government organization, having to follow their orders.
    The orders of an organization that is barely capable of keeping order in a city full of villains and gangs, and which was willing to send those 'safe' and 'untouchable' Wards at a team of mostly unknown supervillains during a bank robbery, because they got distracted by something else and lacked the manpower to deal with the problem.
    ...Nah. I'm sure that was the only time it happened.
    In a city as peaceful as Brockton Bay, there is no way stuff like this happens.


    Sorry, but if I want to get into fights, I'd like it to be done on my terms - who, when and where I want.
    Not when a half-dead Director with a bitter spot for parahumans says so.
    Especially since that paranoia of hers will probably only be enhanced by the potential similarities to Ziz.
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    Oh right forgot to vote.

    [X] Go straight to the PRT. She might not want to be involved with high school 2.0, but if anyone could help her have a secret identity it would be them.
     
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    [X] Go straight to the PRT. She might not want to be involved with high school 2.0, but if anyone could help her have a secret identity it would be them.

    I would prefer to retain a secret identity
     
    [x] Go back home for now and...
    [x] Try to talk to her dad when he got home

    Vote changed.
     
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    Zaratustra said:
    [X] Go straight to the PRT. She might not want to be involved with high school 2.0, but if anyone could help her have a secret identity it would be them.

    I would prefer to retain a secret identity
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    I like how, in your opinion, walking into the PRT building through the front door and telling them our identity in hopes of them creating a secret one for us - one that anyone dangerous to us will know within a couple of days - would result in less people knowing it than getting home as soon as possible and locking the door.
    I'm sure people everyone will notice the blatant similarities with Normal!Taylor and Angel!Taylor if she flies above them or sneaks through the alleys.
     
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    Akasha said:
    I like how, in your opinion, walking into the PRT building through the front door and telling them our identity in hopes of them creating a secret one for us - one that anyone dangerous to us will know within a couple of days - would result in less people knowing it than getting home as soon as possible and locking the door.
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    1: Exactly how many people know, at this point, that Taylor Hebert is a parahuman who looks completely different to her old self - 1.
    2: The PRT is totally willing to speak on a cape name basis, and for the moment Taylor's cape identity can't be traced to her civilian one without thinker powers.
    3: The people you don't want to know about you because of the PRT (that is, Cauldron because Coil is perfectly fine with you being a ward) have already detected you.
     
    Akasha said:
    New Wave FTW.

    [x] Go back home for now and...
    [x] Try to talk to her dad when he got home

    If I wanted to read about the Wards, I'd read one of the many other stories/quests.

    The 'Go to PRT' option includes 'dealing with high school' again, which implies that the option is likely to result in joining the Wards. Possibly by the PRT pushing for it in return for a secret identity. No, thank you.

    If that's not the case, we go to PRT and get a secret identity, before leaving. Three days later, a nice fellow calling himself 'Coil' contacts us and tells us Danny accidentally broke his arms and legs, and his 'recovery' depends on our loyalty and competence.

    If that doesn't happen, a certain Chief-Director will get an e-mail telling her of a Super Eidolon cape in Brockton Bay, and will answer it with a 'recruit at all costs'.
    Hey, didn't Cauldron sell all those vials in hopes of creating a new Eidolon?
    Thank God they won't do anything about it.
    It's not like they are a paranoid conspiracy that doesn't like the idea of not having a monopoly on power in general. No, sireeee~
    I mean, testing the Parahuman Feudal System in Brockton Bay is certainly far more important than an Eidolon, and it can't be done anywhere else.

    Oh, but wait!
    What did I just hear? That will all be fixed once we join the Wards?
    Yeah, that would certainly result in them not trying anything.
    Costa-Brown doesn't have the authority to transfer us somewhere closer to her, and our progress will not be limited at all.
    I mean, it's not like Danny fears us going out and getting shot at. So, even if we join the Wards and try to grind exp, I'm sure he won't have any objections to that.
    He'll try and push us towards the Wards in order to keep us safe, but he'll have no problem with us beating up villains and muggers to grind once we join them.
    Because we'll be a Ward.
    And the Wards are safe. Nobody has ever heard about a Ward fighting muggers or villains.
    No Ward has ever died.
    Because they joined the PRT and have their oversight, they are bulletproof.
    So, a family of superpowered people with no secret identities but more than enough willingness to beat the shit out of anyone stupid enough to kidnap/hurt a member of one of their members' family (NOT AGAIN!). A family which is not subordinate to a huge organization that anyone with Danny's experience should know has to be corrupted to some degree (no organization this size can avoid that), and will not be sent out to fight villains when the situation becomes dire enough, unless they willingly choose to do so...
    ...Or a group of superpowered teenagers subordinate to a government organization, which has to follow their orders.

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    The whole point of joining the wards is so that we have support when we go out and fight. Danny would feel a hell of a lot better knowing we have professionals looking out for us.

    And yes I doubt people have heard about Wards dying since the govn't censors the hell out of events and I doubt it happens often otherwise the program would be dead. The Youth Guard is there for that exact purpose. They would have the PRT's heads if the Ward death rate was terrible. Even in BB which is one of the worse places in the U.S, Wards only die when S-class threats are happening. And even then Wards can be kept out of such things if that's what their parents want. Kid Win didn't go fight Leviathan because he knew his mom wasn't having any of that.

    Also you do realize that the PRT can't just move Wards around as they like right?

    The whole reason canon!Taylor would've been miserable in the Wards is because the PRT wouldn't be able to easily reassign Sophia and she's in fucking probation!

    Among many things, Taylor and Danny would have to agree to let her go. Separating Taylor and Danny which I'm sure they'll happily accept.Presumably away from BB where Danny is known for spending years trying to help out the Dockworkers even when the city govn't ignored him so getting him to leave BB would be hard. It's also the place where Annette's grave is at.

    Never mind how BB is known for being one of the worst cities in the U.S. when it comes to capes and we explicitly get stronger by going into fights where the stronger the foe the better.

    And New Wave? They're the people who are known for getting their movement killed because one of their own got killed outside of the cape persona.

    That totally won't affect how Danny and Taylor view things. No siree no one bit.
     
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    [x] Try to talk to her dad when he got home

    Mmmm, even if we go to the PRT, I want to inform our father. It isn't just our own life that we are going to turn upside down, but his too. We should talk to him first, and then make a decision.
     
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