Taylor Hebert and Her Rather Sad Life [Worm/The Gamer/D&D3.5]

The best they could do, really? There were no incriminating text messages/emails to seize and you think other kids would not have come forward if a full scale investigation would have been launched after the locker and not maybe beginning over three months later?

I'm sorry but without complicity from Sopia's parole officer there is no way an investigation could have been delayed that long.

No they wouldn't have come forward because if they WERE the type to do that they wouldn't have let a little thing like peer pressure stop them from standing up for Taylor.

Get it through your head this is an SHITTY SCHOOL thats underfunded with a huge gang problem, they are overworked and just don't care about every little thing. Hell IRL shit like the locker incident has happened without anyone getting punished or coming forward.

Also there wasn't an investigation because Danny SETTLED with the school for enough money to pay Taylor's hospital bills in exchange for not suing them while Taylor wouldn't speak up because she was convinced it was pointless and nothing would be done.
That is the thing about parole, people on it shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt. It has already been established that they are guilty of something that should get them incarcerated. They are responsible for proving their good behavior constantly until the parole ends or they go to jail for the original deed.

Of course effectively press-ganging someone on parole is also an open invitation to conflicts of interest just like this.

Nope
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Shadow Stalker - She wasn't kept around because she's useful against Endbringers. She isn't. Look at that scene again. She's forced to get too close and she gets creamed. She's super vulnerable to energy in her shadow state (nix Behemoth), can't really close in vs. a fast or mobile target (nix Leviathan for the most part, Simurgh), is emotionally imbalanced (nix Simurgh) and doesn't do any meaningful damage.

People don't generally know about her vigilante background (she kept to the shadows, hyuk hyuk) and the info & reality about her personality didn't come out until she was already on the team. It's hard to unseat a crook-turned-cape once they're on board, because then you run the risk that the public discovers you're bringing less than savory types on board. Besides, in the PRT's view, she was more or less playing ball. Getting therapy, using tranq darts, attending patrols (if alone), attending her track team, and going out to movies with her best friend. If something came up at school, it was generally seen as a bump in the road to recovery. This is why she was as pissed as she was over the meeting at the school where everything came up. It straight up overturned her act. In a calmer situation, if things hadn't gone shit-sideways, stuff would have gone through and things would have changed. Not enough, but they would have.

If Taylor had pushed and pushed and pushed (or if Taylor had joined the team and made an issue of it), maybe something would have happened, but even then... what do you do? It goes back to the question of how problematic it is to get rid of troublesome recruits. Sophia stays on the team in an official capacity, makes appearances, but generally it's for show, and she isn't allowed to patrol anymore (at which point she gets restless and snaps, which the PRT may or may not anticipate, depending on what's on the table).
There wasn't a conspiracy just that the PRT saw how well behaved and social Sophia was, how she was attending therapy and how she was behaving like a MODEL STUDENT so you're completely and utterly wrong, also its not Parole it's PROBATION get it right.

She wasn't pressganged she was offered a chance to be a probationary Ward instead of going to juvie because the authorities believed she was just a troubled young girl who wanted to HELP people and just made some mistakes.

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Then she should have either:
  1. Improved her hiring/promotion practices and had more redundant verification going on.
  2. Retired and let someone with fewer health issues and thus more time take over.
I refuse to let Pigot off of any moral culpability on the grounds that her job is just too damn hard for anyone to do since that is far too convenient of an excuse.

No you refuse to let Piggot off because you're completely ignorant of how this stuff works in a real organization, like how the FUCK is she supposed to do the first one if SHE DOESN'T KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM

secondly she's on DIALYSIS for a few hours at home not life support.

honestly this just smacks of SB competence whining about how people aren't perfect infallible and emotionless robots that do their jobs flawlessly
 
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The best they could do, really? There were no incriminating text messages/emails to seize and you think other kids would not have come forward if a full scale investigation had been launched after the locker and not maybe beginning over three months later?

I'm sorry but without complicity from Sopia's parole officer there is no way an investigation could have been delayed that long.
I think that they wouldn't have come forward because they didn't. I think there was no investigating into Sophia because her name was never called into question.

Taylor did not tell people who pushed her in. She deliberately hid it. The cops if any got no names. The staff didn't know any specifics. Other shit happened with the gang and the case went cold. Considering the way the wind was turning on Sophia and how that pissed her off from a punch against her friend if Taylor had named names questions would have been asked and Sophia would be either benched for months or already in juvie by canon start becuase snapped because she was benched for months.



That is the thing about parole, people on it shouldn't get the benefit of the doubt. It has already been established that they are guilty of something that should get them incarcerated. They are responsible for proving their good behavior constantly until the parole ends or they go to jail for the original deed.

Of course effectively press-ganging someone on parole is also an open invitation to conflicts of interest just like this.
They were trying to rehabilitate a parahuman. There's not giving the benefit of a doubt when her name is called into question and then there's presupposing everything that goes wrong in her vicinity as her fault from the word go. One allows for canon and allow for them to actually recover. The other doesn't work because of persistent persecution inherent to the stance that does not go with agent interjection and kinda extra anti goes against sophia's trigger.
 
No they wouldn't have come forward because if they WERE the type to do that they wouldn't have let a little thing like peer pressure stop them from standing up for Taylor.

Get it through your head this is an SHITTY SCHOOL thats underfunded with a huge gang problem, they are overworked and just don't care about every little thing. Hell IRL shit like the locker incident has happened without anyone getting punished or coming forward.

Every little thing? You think people in shitty schools are not going to rat out the popular kids just to see them fall? Of course they are not going to come forward on their own but if they were asked as part of a full scale police/PRT investigation they would talk. These are kids, not hardened criminals.

Also there wasn't a fucking investigation because Danny SETTLED with the school for enough money to pay Taylor's hospital bills in exchange for not suing them while Taylor wouldn't speak up because she was convinced it was pointless and nothing would be done.

Settling means he could not sue the school, not that a criminal investigation could not go forward.


That is not what I was talking about at all. Did I mention the word "Endbringer"? I never believed there was some conspiracy going on all the way to Pigot or beyond. However at a minimum the teachers and students of Winslow and Sophia's minder were engaged in a conspiracy of silence

There wasn't a conspiracy just that the PRT saw how well behaved and social Sophia was, how she was attending therapy and how she was behaving like a MODEL STUDENT so you're completely and utterly wrong, also its not Parole it's PROBATION get it right.

She had a choice of adopting a certain behavior verified by a law-enforcement agency or being incarcerated. That is what parole is

She wasn't pressganged she was offered a chance to be a probationary Ward instead of going to juvie because the authorities believed she was just a troubled young girl who wanted to HELP people and just made some mistakes.

Lets play pretend for a moment: had the incident scared Sophia so badly that she wanted to never use her powers again she would have still gone to juvie, correct? (after all "I'm sorry" is a poor defense for killing a man). At a minimum she would have gotten actual parole. It was her utility that caused her to be instead taken as a probationary Ward (which is totally not like parole except you have to work for the Government :rolleyes: ).
 
secondly she on DIALYSIS not life support.

This may sound a little challenging (and probably not really on topic), but technically dialysis is life support, it's just incrimental rather than continuous.

Without functional kidneys you die, dialysis is just an extension until superior treatments or a transplant is available, or in Piggot's case, Panacea drops in. One interpretation that might explain this is that she's self-destructing, a slow and prolonged suicide, but I prefer to think that her magic tinker-tech dialysis machine, courtesy of tPtB, resolves those issues, and has been using that as a crutch to put off going to Panacea entirely.

Either way she's hard as fucking nails to do so with such high-stress job.
 
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I think that they wouldn't have come forward because they didn't. I think there was no investigating into Sophia because her name was never called into question.

Taylor did not tell people who pushed her in. She deliberately hid it. The cops if any got no names. The staff didn't know any specifics. Other shit happened with the gang and the case went cold. Considering the way the wind was turning on Sophia and how that pissed her off from a punch against her friend if Taylor had named names questions would have been asked and Sophia would be either benched for months or already in juvie by canon start becuase snapped because she was benched for months.
If you recall, Taylor didn't tell them because they asked 'did you see who pushed you in' and the truthful answer was that she didn't. She suspected who did it, but without 'seeing' apparently the cops couldn't do anything about it, especially with no one else coming forward.
 
This is a bit old but, but since SV doesn't have Necro rules and it seemed pertinent I thought I mention it.

On the PRT documents wildbow provided for his PRT Quest he provides some interesting tidbits.

Introduction

Parahumans are contacted or contact the PRT to request membership in one of the teams under the PRT's umbrella. Smaller offices with only five or so employees may maintain only one or two parahumans working alongside the PRT office, while other teams support the Protectorate team as an independent agency separate from the PRT in all things excepting oversight, collaboration and general management.

It is a primary goal of the PRT to recruit and include as many parahumans as possible. This ensures a safe environment for parahumans; it allows for stabilized, healthy interactions between parahumans and the unpowered; and it grants the PRT the ability to better answer threats.

Recruitment: Funding

To better support the primary goal, any department that recruits a new member is awarded eighteen months stipend for salary and general costs, as well as funding to supply branding, equipment and costume. These funds are not drawn from that department, but are provided in addition to standard funding.

As base discretionary funding is calculated from total costs, the department's discretionary funding should increase as a result of the artificial increase to total costs. The department will have more funds rather than less, as the size increases. Barring issue, this should promote department growth and boost discretionary funding on its own.

To discourge departments from repeated firing and re-hiring of capes, this bonus is only awarded once, and the additional stipend is cancelled immediately should the cape leave (see Termination, below). It will not be reinstated.

Recruitment: Initial Steps

Newly recruited Protectorate and Wards members should be seen by the PR and Branding teams (or both as separate department, as resources allow), should have appointments for fitness testing and a general powers test. If the department does not have a lab, then the cape in question will need to be flown out to the nearest available site.

Care should be taken to make members feel welcome and to accommodate any special needs. Gradually introduce patrolling with partners and patrolling alone in safer areas. Team leaders or directors may need to encourage training and other routines to build confidence for new recruits.

Source-https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Swjz8BZZNE4bq6lTkHanTK4sJ-K_xVlFudxA16mYjH4/edit#heading=h.2fhkyxt0vb5g

consider the parts in bold.

Now considering Wildbow wrote this himself I consider this a fair insight into the PRT mindsight and perspective as we're likely to get. A point to consider is that it doesn't really matter if Taylor is being unreasonable, or if her expectations are flawed. Piggot's objectives are to recruit as many capes as possible, particularly one with a potent powerset like ours.

As a minor we're not expected to be up to date on what is or isn't reasonable. And I'm sure plenty of young capes might come in asking for something even more unreasonable like parking tickets revoke, past convictions buried or nonlegal favors. To an extent that we asked Piggot for more than she can deliver is perhaps almost expected especially as we approached her ourselves not through our parent or guardians. How she chooses to set us straight should have the ultimate objective of recruiting us in mind. Given how shorthanded the Brockton Bay Heros are given the Emprie capes, this is even more pertinent than it might be for other branches.

Remember Taylor didn't come here on her own initiative, she was asked to by someone else. And she is performing quite effectively in a field, not struggling as capes with a less broad powerset might. In her mind being independent is going quite well, and so if she asks for more than than is typical well she doesn't expect such rough and coarse treatment. In short she's a tough sell, and the bulldog snappish response from Piggot is not at all going to be well received by most teens, particularly from her position of relative strength. She doesn't need this. And given how her powers outted her and simultaneously make her photogenic, she's more prone to making her displeasure known than others might be.

In short the interview going badly might not simply result in one cape burning her bridges with the Protectorate, not only not joining but possibly breaking off her current arrangements but her badmouthing them elsewhere. If she had a Parahuman Online Account and someone asked her why she didn't join the Protectorate her offering shabby treatment could backfire badly.

An while it's often unremarked on New Wave did have a political/social goal in mind of holding capes accountable and unmasking. That largely fell through with the death of Fleur, but you can bet that if they were to hear from Taylor about the treatment she got from Piggot and the remarks on one of the Wards under her command breaking her parole...well it wouldn't end the partnership but it could make things more complicated at least in the short run.

You might argue that Taylor's treatment doesn't reach that stage where other capes would care. And that's entirely plausible too, but consider again From Piggot's perspective Taylor's a prickly teenager with a certain sense of entitlement. She might walk out of that interview with an exaggerated sense of the indignities she suffers, and anyone who talks to her will hear her side not Piggots. From Piggot's perspective she shouldn't antagonize a cape, particular a minor who doesn't know better in the first place and might take undue offense from the sense she's not receiving respect.

All in All I think she's handling this very poorly, even if from her perspective we're a self entitled teen with unreasonable expectations. That same penchant for unreasonableness means she should watch her tone all the more closely...
 
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All in All I think she's handling this very poorly, even if from her perspective we're a self entitled teen with unreasonable expectations. That same penchant for unreasonableness means she should watch her tone all the more closely...
I'm pretty sure we've gone around and around this topic for the past... Jesus, 48 pages? I'm also pretty sure that if you take a tally you'll find a solid majority of people deciding that they wouldn't want someone like this version of Piggot as their boss, and would leave than spend the effort to explain ourselves to her; I mean, if this is how she tries to soft-sell someone on the Wards, just imagine what she'll be like when you're an actual subordinate!

After that there was just a lot of heat, and very little light, as people devolved into whining about canon events that have already been derailed here, like Sophia and the fact that her probation officer wasn't doing her job (because she really, really wasn't), etc etc, to the point that it may or may not have killed @Tekomandor's enthusiasm for the whole Quest.
 
Wards Metavote
Okay, so clearly this thread is essentially an active landmine. What I propose is this:

We retcon back to the end of the battle at the boat graveyard, with a simple yes/no metavote on the Wards. Clearly, there's a lot of emotion about this choice; and about the way it was presented. I think this is probably the fairest, simplest way to resolve the whole situation. People vote on what they want out of the quest, and we can all move on. The way I see the two options panning out, based on what's happened so far is this:

No:

Best buds with Glory Girl, getting closer to New Wave and such. Stays a street/city level quest for longer.

Yes:

Highway to the big leagues. A more ensemble cast, rather than the buddy cop dynamic of Taylor and Victoria.

So accordingly, the two options are:

[x] No Wards

[x] Yes Wards

Okay, so here's how discussion will influence the vote. If you have some reasoning - even just a sentence - your vote counts for 1.5 times.
 
[x] Yes Wards

If we want to make change, not just be another thug beating up other thugs, then we need the greater reach the Wards offer, and the protection from coercion that independence would fear.
 
[x] Yes Wards

As much as I like smaller stuff, this power is made for the Big Leagues. Think of it this way, our development will take us into places where we're capable of banishing Endbringers and possibly more beyond that. While we could probably get there with just New Wave, it would take much longer, and not be the focus.

I suppose it's up to opinion, but I want to see Taylor make big changes to the world.
 
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Argh, I cant really recall what was happening! :)

Time to reread the whole quest I suppose.

EDIT: upon reading the previous update, suddenly things make more sense. Piggot, grr! :)
 
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[x] No Wards

I'd rather not have to deal with Piggot anymore than necessary, and no matter which option we pick Taylor will eventually hit the big leagues so I see no reason to rush things.
 
[x] No Wards
I'd like to keep it to street level before the big players (cauldron, kaiju, s-class) inevitably come. also more quests less paperwork.
 
I don't remember anything that happened between the police station and now, so....

[x] Yes Wards
 
[x] No Wards
I'd like to keep it to street level before the big players (cauldron, kaiju, s-class) inevitably come. also more quests less paperwork.
Eh, I recall we were told it would be nowhere as bad as the fandom makes it out to be. We are (mostly) bullet proof, and MM commented how Wards that are Brutes or otherwise very resilient don't get pampered.
 
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[x] No Wards

Being in the wards will slow down Taylor, and not really provide any major benefits that could not be obtained through a bit of effort. Just because I do not wish Taylor to be a ward does not mean she needs to go villain or have a bad relationship. She can register as an independent hero and help out on patrols with New Wave and the Wards.
 
Being in the wards will slow down Taylor
I also recall Tekomandor explicitly saying this isn't true, at all. Events will conspire in such a way that Taylor finds herself in fights at regular intervals.

Hell, just the other day I was trying to remeber which fic had Krieg tell Piggot "You've got a Master 12 in Brockton Bay". I think this was it, as he was arrested when the Empire suddenly went nuts as that was Taylor's power forcing an Encounter when she went around looking for one,
 
[x] No Wards

Goal would be to long term form her own team and support.

Wards would also see Taylor having less control on her tinker tech. She would be better funded but also may have items dictated to her.

Enjoy low level Brockton Bay for a bit. Also avoid the pitfalls that are Authority related issues in quests with the Youth Guard, Piggot, PRT and Armsmaster. Voting goes sidesways when they get aggressive with Taylor.
 
Oh! And I like the idea of having glory girl as the crazy to our straight man. More buddy cop movie instead of police department procedural.
 
[x] No Wards

Okay, I'll be wishy-washy and change my own vote. I think I was won over by the idea of her eventually forming her own team. Maybe if she has the ability to teach other people to have similar D&D-esque powers?
 
I also recall Tekomandor explicitly saying this isn't true, at all. Events will conspire in such a way that Taylor finds herself in fights at regular intervals.

Hell, just the other day I was trying to remeber which fic had Krieg tell Piggot "You've got a Master 12 in Brockton Bay". I think this was it, as he was arrested when the Empire suddenly went nuts as that was Taylor's power forcing an Encounter when she went around looking for one,
That was Game On! not this quest.
 
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