Tangled Fate [Ranma 1/2 / Exalted]

... all of which can be bypassed by an experienced solar general, which means our Nerimans are likely to feel some pain before Ranma catches up with his opposition.

Solar generals are in short supply. Admittedly, they're up against one right now, but they're not always and just as important, they're not going to have so many Solar generals that they can toss one at any engagement, campaign or war they come across.

On the subject of logistics, note that this is going to make ammo supplies a bitch to deal with. Not totally unmanageable, especially around navigable rivers, but it makes logistical issues much trickier than they'd be for a muscle-powered army. The actual American Civil War had railroads and steamships, and while the latter are probably doable at around the same time as mass-produced breech-loading rifles, railroad networks are a lot slower to build.

If the rivers are gentle, narrow and deep enough horse drawn barges can move considerable amounts of supply. Not to the same extent as a proper steamship, admittedly, but enough to compensate for the munitions supply draw. Food sourcing is still likely to be local.

So if the edition you are using has those same materials you could have the fallowing kit for the soldiers.

All of which are extremely expensive. Steel silk is artifact grade material, and takes a long time to process. There is a reason why even the Realm, which is the richest nation in the setting, doesn't equip every soldier with this grade of equipment.
 
Remember they also have Desiel Trucks! Worst case, they can pull the Engines out and use them in boats. Desiel Engines are good because if need be they need to do so they can run on vegetable oil or lamp oil.
 
There are been enough posts about uniforms so I'm just going to go to the heart of the matter.

Essentially, the author must choose something between functionality and appearance.

The uniforms of most armies in the past was based on appearance first: "My army is the most striking of all!"

Even the Roman Legion who had functionality in mind (their armours and weapons were the best of their time) took care of the appearance with loud colours (red), golden decorations and shining armour.

The civil war era of the USA also show colours not appropriate for camouflage (although the grey of the south army was better than nothing).

Even during WW1, the french army was in blue and red. Only the Germans had a green uniform which could help with camouflage.

Modern combat doctrine call for high mobility, stealth and sudden strike at all the weak points of the enemy (mainly logistic and materials).

Creation combat is still about mass of combattants. Mobility is restricted to cavalry, Exalted (dragonblooded mainly), the rare warstriders and the rarer flying units.

So the JSDF is probably going to focus on the Fang at the heart of the new army: 25 men acting together as one while coordinating with the other fangs. Speed is the heart of current warfare strategy. (Do not let the enemy control the flow of battle. Bypass his static positions. Eliminating the army isn't the solution, destroy his capacity to wage war. And so on.)

The uniform should be a mix of traditions, appearance and functionality. At the base, as said by many, is the armour. Reinforced buffjacket or roman lorica. Colours is where the JSDF is going to be firm and impose nature-based colours and patterns. Tradition would/should concentrate of the little things, mainly the personal flag of the unit and the overall regimental flag. (having a symbol to follow is still important to soldiers, even in WW2 planting your flag on the battlefield signified victory). All units in Creation have also a personal motto they used in battle (like "to battle!" or "hear us roar!") so something like that must be considered (let us hope for his sanity they won't use Ranma as a base, like "for our fair Lady!").

The colours of Greyfalls varied with the ethnies.

The Nuri like bright colours with startling contrast (yellow turban with a blue caftan or purple sari with a bright green veil) and amber and silver jewelry.

The Tanu like their hair in braids or dreadlocks adorned with citrine or amethyst beads. They are dressed (4 and more layers) in brown and grey.

The Miruda have turquoise skin. They don't have a fixed or traditional style.

The Zaranthi, due to their warrior lineage, follow the Realm mode of outfit, mainly the uniforms of the Realm legions.
 
Essentially, the author must choose something between functionality and appearance.

The uniforms of most armies in the past was based on appearance first: "My army is the most striking of all!"

Even the Roman Legion who had functionality in mind (their armours and weapons were the best of their time) took care of the appearance with loud colours (red), golden decorations and shining armour.

Don't forget, classical battles are more about morale than anything else, so there's a legitimate case to be made for striking designs. Looking the part of an elite military unit can have a genuine intimidation effect, and possibly a bolstering effect on your own troops. Plus, the benefits of camouflage for line infantry are questionable at best - you simply can't hide that many men marching in formation. Camouflage is a no-brainer for scouts and skirmishers, but until infantry formations go the way of the trireme (and American Civil War tech isn't quite there yet), flashy intimidating uniforms are absolutely a defensible choice. It was the machine gun and modern-ish artillery that made highly visible uniforms untenable, and more specifically fighting against them, so camo uniforms aren't nearly as good a choice as you say.

The way I see it, they're going to want two things out of their line infantry uniforms: armor, and making a statement. I'm thinking breastplate, and maybe some additional armor, over a brightly-colored coat of some sort, and a decorated helmet. Scouts, skirmishers, and anyone else who actually cares about stealth will of course have some actual camouflage to wear, probably resembling RL camo patterns.
 
So in the future of this story, Greyfalls is going to have a standing army. They will be equipped with rifles. Think Civil War era US. Single shot breech loading rifles, early breech-loading artillery, etc. What I'm struggling with right now, and have been for a while, is what sort of uniform would be most appropriate. Thoughts? So if anyone with some historical insight into military uniforms wants to chip in I'm happy to listen? *Eager Kitsune holding pen and paper*

Also, next chapter is in progress, both the side-story and the main chapter. Highlights include a scene from the perspective of Guon Fan, and a fight scene with The Maiden of The Mirthless Smile, respectively.

This is great but why not bolt-action rifles loaded with stripper clips? If you're giving them the minie ball and breech loaded weapons they're halfway to the modern bullet all you need now is a modern primer and (ideally though not necessary) smokeless powder. Add in the capabilities of any Exalted with ridiculous stats much less one with extensive experience in machining who was a genius by any standard before exaltation then they should be able to phase out breech-loaders within a matter of years. The only bottle-neck being teaching people how to use modern machining equipment and make Bessemer steel which they would have to do anyway to make break-action breech-loaders.

While Breech-Loaders wouldn't be bad, there's no economic reason to stop there when you're so close to a weapon that could make the diffrence between 2 and 5 volleys of fire on a charging enemy formation. Equip some soldiers in the units with the next logical step (other than crew-served weapons) namely cheap open-bolt SMGs ala PPS 42-43 and elements of any unit can now use their weapons as the distances close and only have to stop firing once the melee begins in proper. Also, assault squads armed only with SMGS when you need to dish out the hurt up close.

Edit: Also if designing weapons for mass production consider stamped parts. Much easier to make then milled once you have the right machinery.

TL;DR: Story reasons say no, but my heart and mind say yes.

Also if all else fails they've got modern weapons to base it all off of so, they could skip to Eratz /AK-47/AK-74/AKM after they've mastered the art of the modern bullet which is only some copper, guncotton and a suitable primer away from working. (Though guncotton on its own shouldn't be toyed with. Unless you like losing hands.)
 
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This is great but why not bolt-action rifles loaded with stripper clips? If you're giving them the minie ball and breech loaded weapons they're halfway to the modern bullet all you need now is a modern primer and (ideally though not necessary) smokeless powder. Add in the capabilities of any Exalted with ridiculous stats much less one with extensive experience in machining who was a genius by any standard before exaltation then they should be able to phase out breech-loaders within a matter of years. The only bottle-neck being teaching people how to use modern machining equipment and make Bessemer steel which they would have to do anyway to make break-action breech-loaders.

While Breech-Loaders wouldn't be bad, there's no economic reason to stop there when you're so close to a weapon that could make the diffrence between 2 and 5 volleys of fire on a charging enemy formation. Equip some soldiers in the units with the next logical step (other than crew-served weapons) namely cheap open-bolt SMGs ala PPS 42-43 and elements of any unit can now use their weapons as the distances close and only have to stop firing once the melee begins in proper. Also, assault squads armed only with SMGS when you need to dish out the hurt up close.

Edit: Also if designing weapons for mass production consider stamped parts. Much easier to make then milled once you have the right machinery.

TL;DR: Story reasons say no, but my heart and mind say yes.

Also if all else fails they've got modern weapons to base it all off of so, they could skip to Eratz /AK-47/AK-74/AKM after they've mastered the art of the modern bullet which is only some copper, guncotton and a suitable primer away from working. (Though guncotton on its own shouldn't be toyed with. Unless you like losing hands.)
Can't breech-loaders use paper cartridges? I don't know if mass production of brass casings will be practical as soon as rifle manufacture is ready for them. Brass is also expensive compared to Bessemer steel, I think.
 
Can't breech-loaders use paper cartridges? I don't know if mass production of brass casings will be practical as soon as rifle manufacture is ready for them. Brass is also expensive compared to Bessemer steel, I think.


They can. Revolvers could do this too, a minie ball followed by gunpowder wrapped in a treated paper-cartridge, cheap if fragile and it could be loaded all at once as a single round. But its a time-consuming process in the middle of battle and shock factor alone won't stop a charging line of infantry.

Brass Casings aren't the only thing you could use if you're not worried about longevity I remember listening to a gunsmith talk about that fact that you could use other materials in a pinch (don't ask for the details it was years ago).

It also shouldn't be bank-breakingly expensive to make brass cartridges anyway, and a bolt-action rifle is just so much faster to fire in the field that it would be worth the price. Zinc does appear naturally in large deposits, and copper does as well, and the rounds would store much better over long periods of time and the jackets can be recycled if fired on a range.

The real hold up is a stable primer and Exalted gunsmith could probably fix that for you.
 
In general, the standing army should maximalize the advantage of advanced steel pruduction, which is reqired to mass produce rifles.
The biggest advantage of it would be mass produced munition gradr plate armor. While steel is expensive, the additonal survivability of the soldiers is worth the investment, and they are less labour intesive to produce, comared to medieval type armors.
Of course cheaper armor types are also viable, but those are merely on part with the enemy equipment.
As far communication goes, flag and light signals, signal flares should work.

As other people pointed out, the uniform should be brifgtly colored to be recignizable even in the gunpowder smoke, but I would also include backpacks and ulility vests and belts over the armor.

My suggestion would be grey coat with bright accents, becsause bright fabric fades pretty fast and dyes are not cheap, crested helmets, and maybe small flags for the soldiers, also for visiblility.
 
The Lorenzoni seems to be easier to make than the nightmarish-looking engineering thing that is the puckle gun.

The new Greyfalls is going towards simplicity in the beginning since they don't have that much resources.
 
More importantly, would any of the JMSDF soldiers or the others know how to make any of those? Or for that matter know of them?

I'd be more than willing to bet that yes they would be familiar because soldiers are expected to maintain their weapons.

Furthermore, their civilian counterparts have experienced machinists/that girl who at 18 graduated from MIT. They have the expertise; they even have examples of modern assault rifles to base off of. If they have a chemist ((or simply task the MIT graduate on it) (I'm pretty sure she has dots in chemistry.)), then they could probably make some primers and better powder skipping them to the modern bullet as long as they can make brass casings or some replacement thereof.

The Lorenzoni and Puckle guns seem unnecessarily fragile and complex compared to a bolt action. Better to go with something rugged and mass producible even if that means you still need a modern bullet.

Also, Modern-Bullets are much more weather resistant than treated paper and gunpowder.
 
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Okay, my brain is functional... mostly. Good enough for this! *Smug Kitsune*

First! @UponALotusBlosom your points about the advantages of more modern equipment, such as brass cartridges, stripper clips, and bolt-action rifles are all on point. The issue is you aren't considering the two important factors preventing their creation.

1. Greyfalls metallurgy is the same as the Realm and despite their skill they're still at the 'beat it with a hammer until it looks right' stage. They've inhumanly good at that, but they flat out lack anything resembling a lathe or milling machine. That blacksmith's workshop that Emily was in was as good as anything you'd expect outside of a Warstrider assembly yard. And those use specialty tools that are only usable because of bullshit Exalted prowess. Getting machining capable of the precision construction that even a bolt action requires is going to take several years at least. They need a standing army now not later. From my research, I believe that within six months they'll have managed to construct precise enough machines to create reliable breechloading rifles. The rate of production might be terrible, but they'll settle for a reliable weapon now and worry about replacing it in five years or so when they'll have the precision machining needed.

2. Bolt-action rifles are very vulnerable to jamming when using black powder. The build-up of residue in the mechanism isn't as fatal as with a fully-automatic weapon, but a smokeless powder is required in order to prevent severe jamming issues. Making that powder requires a number of materials they don't have. Are you aware that even the most basic smokeless powders apparently include petroleum jelly as a key ingredient? They'll need oil production before they can switch to smokeless powders, which in turn precludes the use of bolt-action or full automatic weaponry unless they want to deal with their weapons jamming during battle. As for just using guncotton... The reason that wasn't used for very long is that it breaks guns. The forces involved in detonating guncotton derived explosives tend to be more violent than either black powder or smokeless powders and have a history of drastically shortening the lifespan of the gun barrel. This includes causing the gun to explode in your hands. Useful for larger weapons like the cannons onboard battleships, but even then guncotton does not age well at all and becomes very volatile if exposed to the elements.

So yeah, breech-loading rifles are the best they'll be able to manage for a while simply due to lack of infrastructure. They'll rely on the paper industry of Greyfalls for cartridges at first and then switch to brass ones later when they've managed to make it economical.

You also need to keep in mind that they'll be simultaneously inducing an agriculture revolution and an industrial revolution. Complex steel machines for harvesting crops, a rail network, telegraphs(or telephones, still not sure whether they can manage a phone), possibly steamboats, and numerous other innovations. Greyfalls is prime ground for launching this sort of revolution. It has the infrastructure, the manpower, and the education to manage it with the right minds in charge. Yes, education. The Realm offered standardized education for a large percentage of the Satrapy's population. (We're looking at 75-85% literacy and an elementary education beyond that for 55-60% of that).
 
I can some what agree with the idea that getting to the precision needed will take time, at least, precision needed to do so in a mass production cheap kind of way. I suppose in theory Exalted might manage to get it done more quickly via their crazy good ability, but you can't escape needing good enough tooling at least. And in the real world people building up from near nothing to reasonable tooling levels tended to take some time doing so, months-years depending on exact end goals and starting positions.

Of course there is a loophole of custom made expensive stuff, custom fitted to required specs. As can be seen I believe in some areas of the world in the 19th century like Afghanistan. It kind of works I guess, if you really want just a few weapons right now, but it is drawing away resources from what you might actually want to be doing. Though it's potentially some thing you could have a few smiths working on if really needed? Would be low volume, non-interchangeable. expensive production though.


I'm not entirely sure where your position on black powder cartridges in bolt-action guns come from. Certainly it caused fouling and so, but it was considered manageable by the militaries of the day, the final black powder bolt action designs still using black powder I thought were considered reasonably reliable by them.* How ever good black powder guns do tend to have some particular design features of their own, like the bolt locking lugs being positioned at the back of the bolt I believe, rather then in the front. Basically keeping them further away from fooling source and thus helping some what mitigate the build-up rate.



* Sadly the time period between multi-fire bolt action guns and smokeless was relatively short, so there wasn't as much time to shake out issues. Thus the better designs at the end of that period got immediately overshadowed by the new obviously better smokeless guns. It is worth noting that the few guns designed with symmetrical locking lugs from the previous era were upgradeable to smokeless as it came available though. As all to often the chamber and so were some what over-engineered and had some leeway still, thus making the locking lugs all to often one of the limiting factors.
 
Okay, my brain is functional... mostly. Good enough for this! *Smug Kitsune*

First! @UponALotusBlosom your points about the advantages of more modern equipment, such as brass cartridges, stripper clips, and bolt-action rifles are all on point. The issue is you aren't considering the two important factors preventing their creation.

1. Greyfalls metallurgy is the same as the Realm and despite their skill they're still at the 'beat it with a hammer until it looks right' stage. They've inhumanly good at that, but they flat out lack anything resembling a lathe or milling machine. That blacksmith's workshop that Emily was in was as good as anything you'd expect outside of a Warstrider assembly yard. And those use specialty tools that are only usable because of bullshit Exalted prowess. Getting machining capable of the precision construction that even a bolt action requires is going to take several years at least. They need a standing army now not later. From my research, I believe that within six months they'll have managed to construct precise enough machines to create reliable breechloading rifles. The rate of production might be terrible, but they'll settle for a reliable weapon now and worry about replacing it in five years or so when they'll have the precision machining needed.

2. Bolt-action rifles are very vulnerable to jamming when using black powder. The build-up of residue in the mechanism isn't as fatal as with a fully-automatic weapon, but a smokeless powder is required in order to prevent severe jamming issues. Making that powder requires a number of materials they don't have. Are you aware that even the most basic smokeless powders apparently include petroleum jelly as a key ingredient? They'll need oil production before they can switch to smokeless powders, which in turn precludes the use of bolt-action or full automatic weaponry unless they want to deal with their weapons jamming during battle. As for just using guncotton... The reason that wasn't used for very long is that it breaks guns. The forces involved in detonating guncotton derived explosives tend to be more violent than either black powder or smokeless powders and have a history of drastically shortening the lifespan of the gun barrel. This includes causing the gun to explode in your hands. Useful for larger weapons like the cannons onboard battleships, but even then guncotton does not age well at all and becomes very volatile if exposed to the elements.

So yeah, breech-loading rifles are the best they'll be able to manage for a while simply due to lack of infrastructure. They'll rely on the paper industry of Greyfalls for cartridges at first and then switch to brass ones later when they've managed to make it economical.

You also need to keep in mind that they'll be simultaneously inducing an agriculture revolution and an industrial revolution. Complex steel machines for harvesting crops, a rail network, telegraphs(or telephones, still not sure whether they can manage a phone), possibly steamboats, and numerous other innovations. Greyfalls is prime ground for launching this sort of revolution. It has the infrastructure, the manpower, and the education to manage it with the right minds in charge. Yes, education. The Realm offered standardized education for a large percentage of the Satrapy's population. (We're looking at 75-85% literacy and an elementary education beyond that for 55-60% of that).

I never thought you'd put bolt-actions into the story anyways as it would be just too good much less crew-served weapons.

But I disagree with some of the points behind it

Keep in mind however that the:

The now-famous Winchester Lever Action came about in 1866, the American Civil War, by comparison, ended in 1865 with the vast majority of combat troops armed with muzzle-loaded rifles still. Break-action which I assume is what most of your troops are to be armed with took off in shotguns but can almost be skipped over in rifles because around the time that mass production of break-action/breech-loaded rifles became feasible on large scales was also around the same time that militaries started testing lever-action and bolt-action rifles. With the benefit of future knowledge, it shouldn't be much of a jump and the tools needed are about the same level of sophistication as you would need for economical breech-loaders anyway.

Furthermore the Machining girl (God i really need to check her name again) should be making it her first priotrity to bring about the tools to make the tools to make better machining tools. I AM NOT A METAL WORKER or MACHINIST but according to other's it isn't that hard to build a primitive lathe and after that its all up from there.

The second point is very true, its why they need an exalted chemist to come in and get on that ASAP but residue build-up would sitll be a serious problem for break-actions as after 10-20 shots you would need to quickly clean out the barrel anyways, and the weapons were always meant as stop-gap anyways. Gun-cotton destroying the weapon in 50-100 shots is fine as a stop-gap. Most battles wouldn't seem the soldiers firing anywhere near that number.
 
I recommend Forgotten Weapons channel on YouTube (and Forgotten Weapons site) for things like very early breach-loading metal "cartridge" guns, or repeating Lorenzoni flintlocks (pre-cartridge), or repeating air-rifles (e.g. Girardoni):

 
@ShadeHawk I already included the second video and made mention of the Lorenzonis Repeating Flintlocks. But you are right that it is a good place to look for odd weapons that could work for this fic. There are also really odd ones that are just plain interesting, like a twenty shot revolver.
 
I'm not entirely sure where your position on black powder cartridges in bolt-action guns come from. Certainly it caused fouling and so, but it was considered manageable by the militaries of the day, the final black powder bolt action designs still using black powder I thought were considered reasonably reliable by them.* How ever good black powder guns do tend to have some particular design features of their own, like the bolt locking lugs being positioned at the back of the bolt I believe, rather then in the front. Basically keeping them further away from fooling source and thus helping some what mitigate the build-up rate.
I'll admit I've probably made a few assumptions that are wrong. Which is why I talk about these kinds of things. Science is not a strong point of mine, even as I try and write stories that rely heavily on it at times. *Sheepish Kitsune* Furthermore when I was studying the different types of rifles; break-action bolt-action, etc.; I seem to have taken the popularization of bolt-action and the introduction of smokeless powders as being a cause and effect rather just similar timing. More importantly, I seem to have missed that fact that bolt-actions were developed far soon than I first thought. The details that you miss when you come at a topic from one angle and not another.

The now-famous Winchester Lever Action came about in 1866, the American Civil War, by comparison, ended in 1865 with the vast majority of combat troops armed with muzzle-loaded rifles still. Break-action which I assume is what most of your troops are to be armed with took off in shotguns but can almost be skipped over in rifles because around the time that mass production of break-action/breech-loaded rifles became feasible on large scales was also around the same time that militaries started testing lever-action and bolt-action rifles. With the benefit of future knowledge, it shouldn't be much of a jump and the tools needed are about the same level of sophistication as you would need for economical breech-loaders anyway.
I was thinking of what would be considered an acceptable first generation rifle that would also be relatively easy to manufacture. Every additional part that is required to be manufactured is another step they have to account for. A break-action/breech-loaded rifle has few points of failure compared to a lever-action or a bolt-action. It's capable of significantly higher rates of fire than a muzzle-loader and it's fairly accurate, unlike a musket. I debated over lever or break-action for quite a while before deciding that lever action was just a bit more complex than I could expect them to be able to accurately machine in the timespan that I'm leaving between the first "book" and the second.

Furthermore the Machining girl
Emily Winegate. All the informational posts are available under Informational at the top and bottom of the page. Character sheets are listed with the names of the characters. EDIT: Which wouldn't help if you can't remember the character's name... *Kitsune Face-Tail*

The second point is very true, its why they need an exalted chemist to come in and get on that ASAP but residue build-up would sitll be a serious problem for break-actions as after 10-20 shots you would need to quickly clean out the barrel anyways, and the weapons were always meant as stop-gap anyways. Gun-cotton destroying the weapon in 50-100 shots is fine as a stop-gap. Most battles wouldn't seem the soldiers firing anywhere near that number.
Being good at something doesn't get you around the fact that you need the ingredients for making what you want. You might be able to find a substitute, but we've been looking for one for a hundred years with a scientific apparatus whose combined might is probably far beyond what a couple of young exalts can manage over the course of six months. One thing to remember about Exalted: Action takes a second. Creation takes years.
 
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I'll admit I've probably made a few assumptions that are wrong. Which is why I talk about these kinds of things. Science is not a strong point of mine, even as I try and write stories that rely heavily on it at times. *Sheepish Kitsune* Furthermore when I was studying the different types of rifles; break-action bolt-action, etc.; I seem to have taken the popularization of bolt-action and the introduction of smokeless powders are being a cause and effect rather just similar timing. More importantly, I seem to have missed that fact that bolt-actions were developed far soon than I first thought. The details that you miss when you come at a topic from one angle and not another.
No worries on that, a few years ago I wouldn't have known either. Much of my source on current more detailed gun knowledge comes from C&Arsenal, who decided to a small arms primer series for all small arms used in WW1, a project so large apparently that a few years later they're still going at it.

But they cover a fair bit of history on various weapons, all to often bolt actions, that eventually ended up in WW1. This also included converted bolt actions from the black powder era, thus how I came to know about it.


I can try to summarize some of the things I've noticed on it from its many episodes though. For instance the military tends to like to optimize towards a a few features, namely low cost, reliability and simplicity.

Low cost in this is obvious, if you need to equip hundreds of thousands or even millions of men, it would be nice if your gun isn't to expensive.

Reliability is easy to understand as well, it's nice if your gun doesn't break, either in firing or due to the stresses it might encounter in fighting. Like say ending up in mud, hitting the ground some what hard or you know, still working after having used it as a club.

Simplicity is thus the least obvious these three, but still easy to understand, if the gun does break, it sure would be nice if it's simple to repair. Especially if a field repair center can do it, even better if they can manage it in minutes, or even say an hour.


Due to these pressures interestingly enough early bolt action guns are actually less reliable, more expensive and less simple then the later ones. Which gives the impression as if there isn't even a point then to consider early bolt action designs, as the late era ones are simply the best in near every factor you'd care about normally.

Though there is one potentially snag there, industry was improving over that time. So metal quality over the period probably got better, what you can do with good quality steel you need not get away with poor quality steel. And secondly the ability of machining to handle complex high precision machining improved at same costs or not to much increased, which means potentially some of these later era weapons included some pieces of metal shaped in shapes not so easily machined with more basic systems.


Both of these are obviously resolvable and I suspect improving the lathe to the precision required, considering we already know that path now, is the easier of the two. Good quality large scale metal production requires quite a bit of logistic efforts as well as working through the inevitable* early bugs in a large installation. For instance for good metal production you'd want a handle on the quality of say the coals and ores you are using, so as to control the mixture being smelted, so one can get good end results. Just like you'd probably need to expand resource extraction efforts to match the new higher demand levels. Which just hits you through your entire logistic chain.

If good steel isn't available, then one would be forced to use earlier designs with more allowance for things not all lining up exactly as one wants. Like earlier bolt actions... or if truly bad say revolvers, or breech loading weapons. I've at least not heard of bolts ever being made of really poor steel, so I'm suspecting it might not be safe to do so for them.

Aside of this, there apparently was some change in gunpowder use towards the end as well. For instance some of the last types of ammo used compressed gunpowder rounds. I'm not really sure how that works, as I thought spacing was needed to let it burn properly, but apparently they found a solution to that. But these rounds apparently had substantially improved performance compared to previous rounds, being considered some of the best gunpowder rounds ever made.


Final end conclusion... I wonder if anyone really has all of this knowledge on hand at levels beyond what I'm displaying. Because ultimately you'd need to know how late era bolt-action guns were put together to replicate them, else you'd have to do as the original inventors and work yourself towards it over time. Though I guess if they have snipers, they might have some bolt action guns on them... Probably would still have to be adapted to actual materials available and machining abilities though.


*Unless an exalted can do something about that?




I hope this is of some use for you. And if you have any particular questions in this area, I'm sure I or others will wrack their memories on if they encountered any information on it.
 
So in the future of this story, Greyfalls is going to have a standing army. They will be equipped with rifles. Think Civil War era US. Single shot breech loading rifles, early breech-loading artillery, etc. What I'm struggling with right now, and have been for a while, is what sort of uniform would be most appropriate. Thoughts? So if anyone with some historical insight into military uniforms wants to chip in I'm happy to listen? *Eager Kitsune holding pen and paper*

Also, next chapter is in progress, both the side-story and the main chapter. Highlights include a scene from the perspective of Guon Fan, and a fight scene with The Maiden of The Mirthless Smile, respectively.

On thinking it over for a bit, guns by themselves are not enough(even with basic artillery). With the general skill level and the amounts of crazy shit in Creation, enemies that can get into close combat with riflemen are too numerous to rely on a standing army of dedicated riflemen(Probably better for garrison than open battle). The Soldiers of Greyfalls are either going to have to multi-class and thus require close combat arms and armor or split into specialized groups of close combat and ranged support. Both paths seem viable, especially if the reinforcements from the outlying garrisons are at a decent skill level.

Depending on whether quality or quantity are focused on, the Riflemen may vary from cloth clad skirmishers to reasonably armored pike block with guns.

A lot will depend on the logistics of just how cheap it is to make and supply guns(and how expendable the manpower is). Example: you have 2000 muskets and 2000 Realm garrison remnants, you can have 2000 good soldiers with guns and garrison gear or 2000 realm soldiers + 2000 fresh recruits with with guns(that die very easily).
 
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Early breech loaders (like Fergusson or Hall rifles) are still options if single shot bolt actions too complicated.
Or at worst, late model rifled muskets were decently accurate for a muzzle loading rifle.
 
telegraphs(or telephones, still not sure whether they can manage a phone)

At their heart the difference between a telegraph and a telephone is the microphone. Both involve sending current over a wire, but one is manually operated and the other uses a microphone to modulate the current so a speaker on the other end reproduces the sound.

The now-famous Winchester Lever Action came about in 1866, the American Civil War, by comparison, ended in 1865 with the vast majority of combat troops armed with muzzle-loaded rifles still

That is not exactly a result of tech progression. The American Civil War was using relatively low tech equipment. Europe was most of a weapon generation ahead of the US when it came to guns, most likely because Europe's armies were supplied from the government, while the US's military was expected to be largely raised from conscript infantry with their own guns.

and it's fairly accurate, unlike a musket.

To be fair, that has more to do with rifling and developments of better bullets than anything else. A fairly tightly fitted conical/cylindrical bullet shot out of a rifled barrel would be spin stabilized and not tumble, especially if like with the Minié round it was shaped so the back of the bullet would be smashed into the rifling by the exploding propellant. This in contrast to the smooth bored musket using a round ball that was fairly loosely fitted to the barrel and as such would pick up a lot more random motion?
 
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