[x] Stabshauptmen Halbricht Udst: A Seebatalion officer from the Sumpfratten injured during the Raid at Dervonport, Udst has been involved in some of the thickest fighting in the war, including a short stint "volunteering" with the Weser Crown Seebatalions.
[x] Leutnat Erich Folgers: A young and somewhat distinguished armor platoon commander, Erich was involved in the retaking of Marienburg and the Battle of Oron.
[x] Leutnat Gryfon Corvade: The staff officer that Mair sent you from the Donnerkatzen, Gryfon knows much about the depleted status of the Seebatalions.
[x] Abbot Marchevion: A Bohemian national who emigrated after a scandal in the Werser crowns forced him from home, this man is rumored to be an intelligence expert and Lithuanian sympathizer.
[x] Jacob Hansonson: An infantry officer from 3/7 Luneberg, Jacob has experience in assaulting trenches and holding positions from the war. Magnus, now retired, recommends him.
[x] Conrad Fenrus: A staff officer with the 1/4 "Schlangenesser" regiment, this officer is incredibly familiar what little exists of breakthrough tactics in this day and age on the open plains of the West Irromedes, and has recently gotten promoted a handful of times too!
 
[X] Jacob Hansonson: An infantry officer from 3/7 Luneberg, Jacob has experience in assaulting trenches and holding positions from the war. Magnus, now retired, recommends him.
[X] Karl Adler: A weapons designer and structural engineer borrowed from Skoda Werke, Karl has been working so far on trains and train repair systems.
[X] Frederick Kowolski: An older gentleman in the electronics industry, Frederick has dozens of underlings who are happy to tell you all about how to make an electro-mechanical doohickymabober work.
[X] Stabshauptmen Halbricht Udst: A Seebatalion officer from the Sumpfratteninjured during the Raid at Dervonport, Udst has been involved in some of the thickest fighting in the war, including a short stint "volunteering" with the Weser Crown Seebatalions.
[X] Leutnat Erich Folgers: A young and somewhat distinguished armor platoon commander, Erich was involved in the retaking of Marienburg and the Battle of Oron.
[X] Leutnat Gryfon Corvade: The staff officer that Mair sent you from the Donnerkatzen, Gryfon knows much about the depleted status of the Seebatalions.
 
[X] Stabshauptmen Halbricht Udst: A Seebatalion officer from the Sumpfratten injured during the Raid at Dervonport, Udst has been involved in some of the thickest fighting in the war, including a short stint "volunteering" with the Weser Crown Seebatalions.
[X] Leutnat Erich Folgers: A young and somewhat distinguished armor platoon commander, Erich was involved in the retaking of Marienburg and the Battle of Oron.
[X] Leutnat Gryfon Corvade: The staff officer that Mair sent you from the Donnerkatzen, Gryfon knows much about the depleted status of the Seebatalions.
 
[X] Leutnat Erich Folgers: A young and somewhat distinguished armor platoon commander, Erich was involved in the retaking of Marienburg and the Battle of Oron.
[X] Leutnat Gryfon Corvade: The staff officer that Mair sent you from the Donnerkatzen, Gryfon knows much about the depleted status of the Seebatalions.
[X] Karl Adler: A weapons designer and structural engineer borrowed from Skoda Werke, Karl has been working so far on trains and train repair systems.
[X] Frederick Kowolski: An older gentleman in the electronics industry, Frederick has dozens of underlings who are happy to tell you all about how to make an electro-mechanical doohickymabober work.
[x] Jacob Hansonson: An infantry officer from 3/7 Luneberg, Jacob has experience in assaulting trenches and holding positions from the war. Magnus, now retired, recommends him.
 
Landing Craft
they sent a press gang of seamen!

Pretty much! They even have theme music!

Also, since I had to find it for someone else, here's a pic of your landing ships currently.



Take the front gun off, swap the middle ones to mortars, and replace the tall bow with a landing ramp, and you have the Mordred-class landing ship. They suck rocks.

Edit: Theoretical Block 2 design in the water.

 
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Pretty much! They even have theme music!

Also, since I had to find it for someone else, here's a pic of your landing ships currently.



Take the front gun off, swap the middle ones to mortars, and replace the tall bow with a landing ramp, and you have the Mordred-class landing ship. They suck rocks.

Edit: Theoretical Block 2 design in the water.

That's honestly quite a bit larger and more sophisticated than I had been fearing, even if it's not especially well suited for our purposes. I was afraid it would be nothing we could feasibly put a decent tank on, rather than just something a bit silly.
 
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That's honestly quite a bit larger and more sophisticated than I had been fearing, even if it's not especially well suited for our purposes.

Larger, yes. Sophisticated, no. They're wet as hell, have short range, and are terrible at blue-water passage. The bow ramp also means that on some of the more turbulant inland seas, the bilges are running overtime all the time. They're not shit as a concept, but enggineering holds them back.
 
So we have granddaddy LCT's, nice! What are the constraints they have for cargo - tonnage, dimensions, etc.? Would the tanks be going intermixed with the infantry or in their own craft by platoon?

[X] Jacob Hansonson: An infantry officer from 3/7 Luneberg, Jacob has experience in assaulting trenches and holding positions from the war. Magnus, now retired, recommends him.
[X] Karl Adler: A weapons designer and structural engineer borrowed from Skoda Werke, Karl has been working so far on trains and train repair systems.
[X] Frederick Kowolski: An older gentleman in the electronics industry, Frederick has dozens of underlings who are happy to tell you all about how to make an electro-mechanical doohickymabober work.
[X] Stabshauptmen Halbricht Udst: A Seebatalion officer from the Sumpfratteninjured during the Raid at Dervonport, Udst has been involved in some of the thickest fighting in the war, including a short stint "volunteering" with the Weser Crown Seebatalions.
[X] Leutnat Erich Folgers: A young and somewhat distinguished armor platoon commander, Erich was involved in the retaking of Marienburg and the Battle of Oron.
[X] Leutnat Gryfon Corvade: The staff officer that Mair sent you from the Donnerkatzen, Gryfon knows much about the depleted status of the Seebatalions.
 
[X] Jacob Hansonson: An infantry officer from 3/7 Luneberg, Jacob has experience in assaulting trenches and holding positions from the war. Magnus, now retired, recommends him.
[X] Karl Adler: A weapons designer and structural engineer borrowed from Skoda Werke, Karl has been working so far on trains and train repair systems.
[X] Frederick Kowolski: An older gentleman in the electronics industry, Frederick has dozens of underlings who are happy to tell you all about how to make an electro-mechanical doohickymabober work.
[X] Stabshauptmen Halbricht Udst: A Seebatalion officer from the Sumpfratteninjured during the Raid at Dervonport, Udst has been involved in some of the thickest fighting in the war, including a short stint "volunteering" with the Weser Crown Seebatalions.
[X] Leutnat Erich Folgers: A young and somewhat distinguished armor platoon commander, Erich was involved in the retaking of Marienburg and the Battle of Oron.
[X] Leutnat Gryfon Corvade: The staff officer that Mair sent you from the Donnerkatzen, Gryfon knows much about the depleted status of the Seebatalions.
 
Hmmm, not seeing much discussion on the crewing of the Board.
Adhoc vote count started by 7734 on Jun 21, 2018 at 11:27 AM, finished with 13 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] Leutnat Gryfon Corvade: The staff officer that Mair sent you from the Donnerkatzen, Gryfon knows much about the depleted status of the Seebatalions.
    [X] Jacob Hansonson: An infantry officer from 3/7 Luneberg, Jacob has experience in assaulting trenches and holding positions from the war. Magnus, now retired, recommends him.
    [X] Leutnat Erich Folgers: A young and somewhat distinguished armor platoon commander, Erich was involved in the retaking of Marienburg and the Battle of Oron.
    [X] Karl Adler: A weapons designer and structural engineer borrowed from Skoda Werke, Karl has been working so far on trains and train repair systems.
    [X] Stabshauptmen Halbricht Udst: A Seebatalion officer from the Sumpfratteninjured during the Raid at Dervonport, Udst has been involved in some of the thickest fighting in the war, including a short stint "volunteering" with the Weser Crown Seebatalions.
    [X] Frederick Kowolski: An older gentleman in the electronics industry, Frederick has dozens of underlings who are happy to tell you all about how to make an electro-mechanical doohickymabober work.
    [x] Conrad Fenrus: A staff officer with the 1/4 "Schlangenesser" regiment, this officer is incredibly familiar what little exists of breakthrough tactics in this day and age on the open plains of the West Irromedes, and has recently gotten promoted a handful of times too!
    [x] Abbot Marchevion: A Bohemian national who emigrated after a scandal in the Werser crowns forced him from home, this man is rumored to be an intelligence expert and Lithuanian sympathizer.
 
[X] Jacob Hansonson: An infantry officer from 3/7 Luneberg, Jacob has experience in assaulting trenches and holding positions from the war. Magnus, now retired, recommends him.
[X] Karl Adler: A weapons designer and structural engineer borrowed from Skoda Werke, Karl has been working so far on trains and train repair systems.
[X] Frederick Kowolski: An older gentleman in the electronics industry, Frederick has dozens of underlings who are happy to tell you all about how to make an electro-mechanical doohickymabober work.
[X] Stabshauptmen Halbricht Udst: A Seebatalion officer from the Sumpfratten injured during the Raid at Dervonport, Udst has been involved in some of the thickest fighting in the war, including a short stint "volunteering" with the Weser Crown Seebatalions.
[X] Leutnat Erich Folgers: A young and somewhat distinguished armor platoon commander, Erich was involved in the retaking of Marienburg and the Battle of Oron.
[X] Leutnat Gryfon Corvade: The staff officer that Mair sent you from the Donnerkatzen, Gryfon knows much about the depleted status of the Seebatalions.

What is there to discuss?
6 slots, 8 personages. One of them is a conspicous guy not actually relevant to the matter, and cavalry guy, while good, is not actually needed when we have on-hand actual Seebatalion officers.

On the other hand, if we could co-opt Vincke and his brigade, as having someone to test (dis-)embarking tanks &/ SPGs would be good and his brigade would be easiest to get new shinies into as it is not going to be combat-effective any time soon...
 
I think people are wary of putting in a spy and potential foreign sympathiser, and there's not enough competitive options in any category to force a debate. If we had more people to choose from or they were all clearly awesome and we had to leave someone out it might spur more discussion.
 
What is there to discuss?
6 slots, 8 personages. One of them is a conspicous guy not actually relevant to the matter, and cavalry guy, while good, is not actually needed when we have on-hand actual Seebatalion officers.

On the other hand, if we could co-opt Vincke and his brigade, as having someone to test (dis-)embarking tanks &/ SPGs would be good and his brigade would be easiest to get new shinies into as it is not going to be combat-effective any time soon...

I mean, reading the tags is important. You're not getting Vincke by the way- his unit is down to the training cadre, and has lost most all his support assets (the cavalry and artillery) as well as everything that isn't nailed down. The Seebatalions got hit hard- they were one of the only units constantly capable of getting deployed and redeployed to support the campaigns in the Quingdao and Dailan areas.
 
I view this one as a pretty trivial choice. We need the engineers, the seabattalion guys and the guy with tank experience. We don't need or want the sketchy spy. It turns into a choice between the remaining two, and I personally think the infantry guy's experience is more relevant, though I suppose a case could be made.

Really, there are only two viable builds, and they look almost identical.
 
You're not getting Vincke by the way- his unit is down to the training cadre, and has lost most all his support assets (the cavalry and artillery) as well as everything that isn't nailed down. The Seebatalions got hit hard- they were one of the only units constantly capable of getting deployed and redeployed to support the campaigns in the Quingdao and Dailan areas.

But, well, Vincke is not going to be deployed, and thus is the only one of Legion-kaptains who would be easily available during our trials - along with his entire cadre. Using 'em as a board to bounce options off (Introduce tanks as Seebatalion formation or one to be loaned, for example) and people to ask for what they want in these tanks would be useful both for us (More feedback) and for them (As they're likely to get these tanks first, if their brigade is going to be rebuilt).
 
But, well, Vincke is not going to be deployed, and thus is the only one of Legion-kaptains who would be easily available during our trials - along with his entire cadre. Using 'em as a board to bounce options off (Introduce tanks as Seebatalion formation or one to be loaned, for example) and people to ask for what they want in these tanks would be useful both for us (More feedback) and for them (As they're likely to get these tanks first, if their brigade is going to be rebuilt).

Normally, a Seebatalion Brigade has roughly 6,000 men in all companies and taskings. Strip the support artillery and cavalry, you're looking at roughly 5,400 men. Knock the support batallions down (signals, boats, logistics, etc.) and you're looking at 4,700 men.

Currently, Vincke has something like 600 warm bodies assigned to him as his training cadre, mostly slated for rebuilding his core regiment and boats company. His formation is spent.
Adhoc vote count started by 7734 on Jun 21, 2018 at 10:02 PM, finished with 20 posts and 9 votes.

  • [X] Leutnat Gryfon Corvade: The staff officer that Mair sent you from the Donnerkatzen, Gryfon knows much about the depleted status of the Seebatalions.
    [X] Jacob Hansonson: An infantry officer from 3/7 Luneberg, Jacob has experience in assaulting trenches and holding positions from the war. Magnus, now retired, recommends him.
    [X] Leutnat Erich Folgers: A young and somewhat distinguished armor platoon commander, Erich was involved in the retaking of Marienburg and the Battle of Oron.
    [X] Karl Adler: A weapons designer and structural engineer borrowed from Skoda Werke, Karl has been working so far on trains and train repair systems.
    [X] Stabshauptmen Halbricht Udst: A Seebatalion officer from the Sumpfratteninjured during the Raid at Dervonport, Udst has been involved in some of the thickest fighting in the war, including a short stint "volunteering" with the Weser Crown Seebatalions.
    [X] Frederick Kowolski: An older gentleman in the electronics industry, Frederick has dozens of underlings who are happy to tell you all about how to make an electro-mechanical doohickymabober work.
    [x] Conrad Fenrus: A staff officer with the 1/4 "Schlangenesser" regiment, this officer is incredibly familiar what little exists of breakthrough tactics in this day and age on the open plains of the West Irromedes, and has recently gotten promoted a handful of times too!
    [x] Abbot Marchevion: A Bohemian national who emigrated after a scandal in the Werser crowns forced him from home, this man is rumored to be an intelligence expert and Lithuanian sympathizer.
 
Contest 4: RFQ
Corvade was at your office the first day at about nine-thirty looking like a lost puppy, so you let him in and got him a cup of coffee. In retrospect, this was a terrible mistake, as once he got warmed up his mouth was off to the races. You soon knew the names of almost every officer in the Donnerkatzen, and more than a few of the wives too. In between the walls of gossip, though, there was an air of tension- the force had been stretched to breaking point time and time again in the war, and it showed. Most of the officers were imports from the Sixth Seebatalion, and of the formation's pre-war strength barely five percent were still alive, mostly in the NCO corps. Morale was high, but the core regiment was still rump a company, and that was going to be a fact of life for a long time for all the Seebatalions. After the War, manpower was thin on the ground, so the Seebatalions Commandant had decided rather than be prepared to spend lives, it would be better to spend money. It was a good thing, too- because you'd just gotten the formal features requests from the Seebatalion Legion-kaptains.

Whatever you approved needed the following features.

-At least, but not limited to, one 5,5cm gun or rapid-fire cannon
-At least, but not limited to, one 7,5cm cannon or larger
-At least one weapon in traversing turret mount
-At least protection capable of withstanding sustained rifle and machine gun fire
-At least as fast as leg infantry on tactical scale
-AND/OR
--Ability to cross a river thirty meters wide without bridging
--Ability to cross water five meters deep
--(Aditional components may be used)
-Tactical endurance for at least 8 hours of operation

Thanking Corvade for the laundry list of requirements, you groaned into your hands. That was going to be a mess.

Meeting with Hansonson later was practically a relief in comparison. Much like Magus, he was blunt, to the point, and not willing to play games. With the innovation of the infantry grenade projectors and trench mortars, clearing a trench had gotten much easier, but machine gun proliferation and effective flares had made defense that much more dangerous too. Gas weapons had been going out of vouge, thank heavens, but more than a few artillery batteries kept them in store in case they needed to slow a massed infantry attack right now so they could lay into them with fused canister shot and shells. Improvements in supply were also changing warfare, so he'd keep you posted. At the end of it, you were happy his card went in your contacts book- he'd be useful later.

Folgers was a bit more of a problem to drag out to Bremmen, but you managed it after some yanking and hauling. Considering he'd gotten married less than two months ago, you could see the complaints, but honestly you needed a clearheaded picture. One look at the wishlist that the Seebatalions made, and he was laughing on the floor. They weren't getting it with the W-2, nor the W-5 that High Command had decided to adopt after looking over the finances of the Empire and the last war's disaster. Turns out a W-5 or W-6 could force a breakthrough just fine, if they were backed by enough artillery. After some soothing drinks, Folgers replied he'd stay around in town and honeymoon with the wife a little bit, while you got ready to call him in for testing when that finally showed up.

Your inclusion of Addler was prefunctuary at this point, but Skoda called back to inform you he'd died of stroke last month, and his son Johann Addler would be happy to come help. More importantly to you, Addler Jr. was part of the SkW-1 design team, as well as being an assistant designer for the C-class Motor Torpedo Boat and F-class Monitor. While he was occupied working on the SkW-2 design committee, he did send his regards and a promise to mail you a set of the plans for any SkW-1 modifications you'd need in the near future. You seriously considered asking for one designed as a mobile distillery, but they'd probably do it, the mad bastards.

Finding Udst was a challenge, even with Gryfon's help. The man was drinking heavily in an officer's club for the Seebatalioners, and the mere fact you knew it existed by prroxy made you a threat apparently. Still, getting him out of the building and sobbered up provided you with a wealth of information on landings and shore actions. The tanks, he revealed, weren't for while the raiding force was on the beaches- it was for once they'd cleared the first ridgelines, and gotten out of contact with the landing craft for fire support and decoy targets. Nobody sane tried to hold a beach- you couldn't fortify one well at all. As long as what you got them could punch through the light static lines, though, you'd have the raiders through the real obstruction, and then they could get it to work. He thought the guns requirement was a little overkill, but everything else was good.

Your letter to Kowolski foundered on your mention of this being a Seebatalion tank- on mention of regular exposure to salt water, the Royal Radio and Telegraph offices sent a man to inform you that they wanted nothing to do with this, thank you very much, and not to darken their doorsteps with this nonsense ever agian.

With your Advisory Pannel technically assembled, it was time to write your own Request for Quotes. The Seebatalion's own list could be incorperated into yours as you saw fit, but you were walking a tight line- they didn't have to accept what you accepted, and unlike with High Command, there really wasn't a good way to get the Commandant of the Seebatalions on your side. You'd have to step carefully.

(This is a PLAN VOTE; you don't need to include the Seebatalion's own requests. However, they can independantly fail any design, so you need to keep them collectively happy-ish.)
 
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Your inclusion of Addler was prefunctuary at this point, but Skoda called back to inform you he'd died of stroke last month
:sad:

Your letter to Kowolski foundered on your mention of this being a Seebatalion tank- on mention of regular exposure to salt water, the Royal Radio and Telegraph offices sent a man to inform you that they wanted nothing to do with this, thank you very much, and not to darken their doorsteps with this nonsense ever agian.
completely sympathize here :rofl:

also lets stick with only one 7,5cm main gun and some machineguns. no need to make it more complex on us
 
I wish to know more about this SkW-2.

Can we ask Skoda to make a little version of the SkW-1 with a 75mm and two autocannons? Perhaps that would get the speed up to where it needed to be, and a snorkel is basically mandatory for any vehicle to meet the 5m depth requirement unless they can actually float and move through the water.

Whatever you approved needed the following features.

-At least, but not limited to, one 5,5cm gun or rapid-fire cannon
-At least, but not limited to, one 7,5cm cannon or larger
-At least one weapon in traversing turret mount
-At least protection capable of withstanding sustained rifle and machine gun fire
-At least as fast as leg infantry on tactical scale
-AND/OR
--Ability to cross a river thirty meters wide without bridging
--Ability to cross water five meters deep
--(Aditional components may be used)
-Tactical endurance for at least 8 hours of operation

The SkW-1 has everything already with the possible exception of speed (target there is 10 kph?), depth (currently only good to 3m, easy fix with snorkel), and endurance (originally a weak point, improvements to original design not quantified). If Skoda can provide those changes we probably have a relatively cheap solution.

Can you clarify the endurance requirement more? Is it fuel capacity to move at full speed for 8 hours?
 
Could we attach a propeller to the SkW-1, seal it with something and make it amphibious? I suppose that does depend on the weight and its displacement. And finding out that a lucky shot breached armor isn't a good thing to find out when your going into a river. Under or on water we should have a sealing kit handy inside to fix those in emergencies.

Adding this as a idea mainly because I pass by these every day.
Duck tour - Wikipedia
 
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Could we attach a propeller to the SkW-1, seal it with something and make it amphibious? I suppose that does depend on the weight and its displacement
A fully swimming model with a propeller is better suited to be a light tank with minimal weaponry, because a regular tank is too heavy and too thin to successfully float.

We can try the idea of a floating light tank in the role of immediate infantry support while they are crossing the river and as supply line raiders.
But the Seebats want firepower, and a regular tank will have to drive on the bottom of the river with the snorkel(s) pumping air to and from the engine. It cannot float.
 
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@7734, what is/are the RoF of the 75mm gun(s) we have in inventory right now?

About ten rounds a minute on a good day, closer to eight on a bad one.

I wish to know more about this SkW-2.

Can we ask Skoda to make a little version of the SkW-1 with a 75mm and two autocannons? Perhaps that would get the speed up to where it needed to be, and a snorkel is basically mandatory for any vehicle to meet the 5m depth requirement unless they can actually float and move through the water.

Can you clarify the endurance requirement more? Is it fuel capacity to move at full speed for 8 hours?

The SkW-2 may or may not be submitted to this contest, it depends on how Skoda does for design rolls. An SkW-1 with lightened gun armament could totally happen, though Skoda would rather just bolt pontoons to the side and yell "QUACK QUACK IMA DUCK NOW" than actually take their howitzer out. Luckily, the SkW-1 has sold... reasonably well, I'll say, internationally. The endurance reqirement is eight hours in combat states, so a mixture of driving and idling; if the engine can turn back on again fast enough it might get some time with the engine off.

Could we attach a propeller to the SkW-1, seal it with something and make it amphibious? I suppose that does depend on the weight and its displacement. And finding out that a lucky shot breached armor isn't a good thing to find out when your going into a river. Under or on water we should have a sealing kit handy inside to fix those in emergencies.

The SkW-1 is already mostly watertight, and the hull (minus turret and tracks) can actually float sorta if a pump is running at a good clip. With the turret and tracks, though, it needs something to help keep it floating, though.

Edit: Remember, Skoda makes their bank making armor for battleships, and Addler Jr. was working on designing what would eventually be this:

 
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