Strange Aeons: A 40k Xeno Governor Quest

Leon12431 · Nov 26, 2022

Nicholas Brooks said:
Are these plans allowed QM?

I do not see any issues directly, but could you place a sub vote for the resources you are allotting for the non completed actions in this turn please?

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 26, 2022

Leon12431 said:
I do not see any issues directly, but could you place a sub vote for the resources you are allotting for the non completed actions in this turn please?

Okay, give me a few minutes

Edit: @Leon12431

You can check the edited plan now. I think i did this right. It's for actions with DCs of 100 and higher correct?

Leon12431 · Nov 26, 2022

Nicholas Brooks said:
ou can check the edited plan now. I think i did this right. It's for actions with DCs of 100 and higher correct?

All actions have a resource cost, you can choose to fund them fully or fund them over the course of many turns. I will assume that you will try to fully fund things that are not marked with a amount of allocated resources.

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 26, 2022

Leon12431 said:
All actions have a resource cost, you can choose to fund them fully or fund them over the course of many turns. I will assume that you will try to fully fund things that are not marked with a amount of allocated resources.

Yeah that was the intention. Still, it's functional right?

Leon12431 · Nov 26, 2022

Nicholas Brooks said:
Yeah that was the intention. Still, it's functional right?

Checking them now, first plan works. Debt of 200 and an empty storage of wealth.

Your second plan is going to incur heavy interest payments. Its going to be a minimum of over 100 the debt cap

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 26, 2022

Leon12431 said:
Debt of 200 and an empty storage of wealth.

So 200 beyond our resources after emptying out the reserves right?

Leon12431 · Nov 26, 2022

Nicholas Brooks said:
So 200 beyond our resources after emptying out the reserves right?

Yes, its right on the cusp of your ability to handle the debt. Effectively you can handle debt up to 4x your native production as things stand, any more and that and the interest starts actively eating into your GDP.

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 27, 2022

Leon12431 said:
Yes, its right on the cusp of your ability to handle the debt. Effectively you can handle debt up to 4x your native production as things stand, any more and that and the interest starts actively eating into your GDP.

Okay gotcha. For a sec I was worried that we wouldn't be allowed to go beyond our reserve funds at all.

So what about the second plan?

Leon12431 · Nov 27, 2022

Nicholas Brooks said:
So what about the second plan?

I did not fully calculate its cost due to it being at minimum 100 over that 400 limit, my calculations reached 570 Resources with 5 actions unaccounted for. This would effectively cripple your income for paying off that debt for several turns.

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 27, 2022

Leon12431 said:
I did not fully calculate its cost due to it being at minimum 100 over that 400 limit, my calculations reached 570 Resources with 5 actions unaccounted for. This would effectively cripple your income for paying off that debt for several turns.

Shoot. Hm... Well if that's the case then I'll try to edit it down to something cheaper

Leon12431 · Nov 27, 2022

Nicholas Brooks said:
Shoot. Hm... Well if that's the case then I'll try to edit it down to something cheaper

I would recommend making use of multi turn actions on the more expensive ones, you are trying to fund things with 250/100 requirements on the same turn all at once.

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 27, 2022

Leon12431 said:
I would recommend making use of multi turn actions on the more expensive ones, you are trying to fund things with 250/100 requirements on the same turn all at once.

Gotcha. How's it looking now? I think there should only be one action of 100 or higher now.

Edit: NOPE, nevermind. I miscalculated and will need to make some more cuts so hold on for s bit

Leon12431 · Nov 27, 2022

I am going to use this as an example for the intent of this system, since I think something is being misunderstood. I mean no offense to you @Nicholas Brooks on using your plan as the example.

[] Plan Let's Make Some Money
-[] Form a private army
--[] Harkar
-[] Fortify cities
--[] Atraxas
-[] Improve Relations with Rogue Traders
--[] Atraxas
-[] Improve Relations with Forge Worlds
--[] Atraxas
-[] Counter cyberspace infiltration
--[] Atraxas
-[] Search and destroy: conventional corruption
--[] Nirve
-[] Encourage extraplanetary resource exploitation
--[] Atraxas
--[] Stiriam
--[] 250 R
-[] Study planetary industrial technology
--[] Atraxas
-[] Dig into planetary education system
--[] Balkavus
-[] Learn about the Imperial Creed
--[] Nameria
-[] Learn about the Machine Cult
--[] Atraxas
-[] Take the Tests the Spymaster sets
-[] Forge a more robust recorded history
--[] 40 R

Total Cost of Actions listed: 10+50+20+50+40+25+250+50+20+50+20+40 = 625/400 leaving 225 in interest debt, this WILL result in a complete collapse of the economy
The Assumed Cost of Plan (This is what I will use to calculate the spending): 10+50+20+50+40+25+250+50+20+50+20+40
Time to Implement if given full resources: 1 turn

[] Plan Let's Make Some Money
-[] Form a private army
--[] Harkar
-[] Fortify cities
--[] Atraxas
--[] 25 R
-[] Improve Relations with Rogue Traders
--[] Atraxas
-[] Improve Relations with Forge Worlds
--[] Atraxas
--[] 25 R
-[] Counter cyberspace infiltration
--[] Atraxas
--[] 20 R
-[] Search and destroy: conventional corruption
--[] Nirve
-[] Encourage extraplanetary resource exploitation
--[] Atraxas
--[] Stiriam
--[] 50 R
-[] Study planetary industrial technology
--[] Atraxas
--[] 25 R
-[] Dig into planetary education system
--[] Balkavus
-[] Learn about the Imperial Creed
--[] Nameria
--[] 25 R
-[] Learn about the Machine Cult
--[] Atraxas
-[] Take the Tests the Spymaster sets
-[] Forge a more robust recorded history

The above plan would cost this turn: 10+25+20+25+20+25+50+25+20+25+20+40 = 305/400 under budget and no interest
Turn to complete, on average the last action would be completed no later than turn 3

Dain24601 · Nov 27, 2022

[X] Plan Fixing the Budget
-[X] Form a private army
--[X] Atraxas
-[X] Bury Military Complexes
--[X] Harkar
---[X] 20 R
-[X] Contact the Planetary Guilds
--[X] Atraxas
-[X] Counter cyberspace infiltration
--[X] Atraxas
---[X] 20 R
-[X] Search and destroy: conventional corruption
--[X] Nirve
-[X] Increase native production
--[X] Atraxas
---[X] 50 R
-[X] Increase native production
--[X] Stiriam
---[X] 50 R
-[X] Increase native production
--[X] Atraxas Personal
---[X] 50 R
-[X] Study planetary industrial technology
--[X] Atraxas
---[X] 25 R
-[X] Dig into planetary history
--[X] Balkavus
-[X] Learn about the Imperial Creed
--[X] Nameria
---[X] 25 R
-[X] Learn about the Machine Cult
--[X] Atraxas
-[X] Take the Tests the Spymaster sets
-[X] Forge a more robust recorded history
---[X] 20 R

Would this work? Native Production will be done over two turns if so.

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 27, 2022

Leon12431 said:
I mean no offense to you @Nicholas Brooks on using your plan as the example.

No it's fine, it was completely haphazard and dysfunctional and really needs fixing

Leon12431 · Nov 27, 2022

Dain24601 said:
Would this work? Native Production will be done over two turns if so.

Are you doing two actions on Native Production or are you doubling down on one action? Why are you doubling down on the cheapest and easiest of the Martial actions?

I am concerned about your budget, from an eyeballing it looks like you are likely to hit 400+. You might want to look at the costs again to be sure that you are under that 400 measure.

Nicholas Brooks said:
No it's fine, it was completely haphazard and dysfunctional and really needs fixing

I do realize that I probably should have given a template plan to showcase what I meant, and I do apologize for that on my part, but hopefully with the template it will become clearer.

Dain24601 · Nov 27, 2022

Leon12431 said:
Are you doing two actions on Native Production or are you doubling down on one action? Why are you doubling down on the cheapest and easiest of the Martial actions?

In order: Three separate actions which will complete by turn three giving 30 RtP. Note how Martial has both characters under a single action. As for why, cost.

Leon12431 said:
I am concerned about your budget, from an eyeballing it looks like you are likely to hit 400+. You might want to look at the costs again to be sure that you are under that 400 measure.

I'll go through it again and get back to you.

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 27, 2022

Leon12431 said:
I do realize that I probably should have given a template plan to showcase what I meant, and I do apologize for that on my part, but hopefully with the template it will become clearer.

Don't worry about it. I blame it partially on my attempts to rush a plan or two out to begin with and partially on my attempt to do this on a phone instead of a computer.

HOWEVER, I believe I've finally brought the plan into a 400 cost now. I really wanted to get the extraplanetary exploitation going this turn but it just wasn't to be.

I will say though that the inability to make progress on the DC beyond 50% until the resources are fully paid for makes high-resource, low-DC actions very undesirable since it can be, for lack of a better term, a waste of dice.

Leon12431 · Nov 27, 2022

Nicholas Brooks said:
I will say though that the inability to make progress on the DC beyond 50% until the resources are fully paid for makes high-resource, low-DC actions very undesirable since it can be, for lack of a better term, a waste of dice.

I can understand that, but I feel that something is needed to prevent the DC from just being the resources. I might change this system after seeing how things fall out. This system is a work in progress for now.

Leon12431 · Nov 27, 2022

Dain24601 said:
Note how Martial has both characters under a single action. As for why, cost.

You are not forced to use actions, if you wish to save costs simply do not include actions in those categories.

Dain24601 · Nov 27, 2022

Okay

Leon12431 said:
You are not forced to use actions, if you wish to save costs simply do not include actions in those categories.

I'm aware, I just figured why not since it costs nothing. Speaking of, plan is updated our general has been given the long term assignment of burying important infrastructure and if my calc isn't acting up, cost comes out as 355/400.

Leon12431 · Nov 27, 2022

Dain24601 said:
if my calc isn't acting up, cost comes out as 355/400.

I think you missed the cost of the learning actions since I get 405/400, you could solve this simply by reducing the allotted resources for one of the resource production by a small amount or capping the amount put into the planetary infrastructure action.

Dain24601 · Nov 27, 2022

Leon12431 said:
I think you missed the cost of the learning actions since I get 405/400, you could solve this simply by reducing the allotted resources for one of the resource production by a small amount or capping the amount put into the planetary infrastructure action.

Forgot the cut to industrial technology and record forging. Should balance now.

bioticgrunt · Nov 27, 2022

[X] Plan There's Gonna Be Some Changes

Nicholas Brooks · Nov 27, 2022

Leon12431 said:
I can understand that, but I feel that something is needed to prevent the DC from just being the resources. I might change this system after seeing how things fall out. This system is a work in progress for now.

But actions get locked in once you start them right? So even if you let us finish the DC in 1 turn we've still got to cough up the money or else the action economy gets fucked up.

Weirdly though, there's not many actions which are the reverse: high DC, low RC. Even the "interact with" actions cost 20 RC which I find a bit odd

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