[X] USS Century. In many ways a return to the generalist tactical focus of the Excelsior 100 years ago.
Because it'll be a 100 years before we live this down.
Because it'll be a 100 years before we live this down.
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[X] USS Century. In many ways a return to the generalist tactical focus of the Excelsior 100 years ago.
I'll be honest, I'm kinda disappointed. This was suppose to be our ship of the line, a mass-produced brawler both powerful and efficient, but it ended up being a temperamental glass cannon dreadnought that required numerous modification and extra parts just to work properly.
It actually sounds like an antagonist ship, that first appears super powerful and easily curbstomps the initial fight, only for Starfleet to discover its glaring weakness and use some trap and/or technobabble to shut down its systems and fire on the big weak spot. I won't be surprised if its decided that while it technically fulfills the requirements, that Starfleet only wants a single run before moving to something more reliable.
EDIT: AND SOMEHOW THE WARP NACELLES WORK ACCEPTABLY, JUST WITH A LOWER THAN EXPECTED CRUISE SPEED?! And it was the Deflector and Phaser, based on known and proven technology, that turn the ship into A GASOLINE-SOAKED FIRE PIT?!!
I'll be honest, I'm kinda disappointed. This was suppose to be our ship of the line, a mass-produced brawler both powerful and efficient, but it ended up being a temperamental glass cannon dreadnought that required numerous modification and extra parts just to work properly.
It actually sounds like an antagonist ship, that first appears super powerful and easily curbstomps the initial fight, only for Starfleet to discover its glaring weakness and use some trap and/or technobabble to shut down its systems and fire on the big weak spot. I won't be surprised if its decided that while it technically fulfills the requirements, that Starfleet only wants a single run before moving to something more reliable.
EDIT: AND SOMEHOW THE WARP NACELLES WORK ACCEPTABLY, JUST WITH A LOWER THAN EXPECTED CRUISE SPEED?! And it was the Deflector and Phaser, based on known and proven technology, that turn the ship into A GASOLINE-SOAKED FIRE PIT?!!
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[X] USS Sovereign. Meant to be the queen of the fleet and reign over its competition.
I'd be shocked if they want anything beyond the initial prototype.
As it stands it's too fragile to let it do anything other then bully heavily outdated ships. I would compare it to the Yamato-class but at least they had the potential to stand up to their peers in a battle line.
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I mean, this isn't that unexpected? We know what going full Prototype does to a ship, we did it with the Ambassador-class, and then we went ahead and did the exact same thing but even harder this time.
It was never going to be mass produced, not unless the thread could cure it's shiny addiction, and probably wasn't going to happen on this ship in particular after we stuck a
Edit: got it mixed up, only the nacelles are experimental.
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[x] USS Century. In many ways a return to the generalist tactical focus of the Excelsior 100 years ago.
everyone so worried over a single forward torpedo launcher that they give the ship a ohko weak point for a rounding error gain in tactical score
[X] USS Sovereign. Meant to be the queen of the fleet and reign over its competition.
It'll make for good hangar queen jokes…
Jokes aside, the only seriously bad thing operationally seems to be the weak point that can theoretically be hit for massive damage, for however much it's worth; while speed inefficiencies are bad it can still move fast in emergencies
Strategically however, I'm sure the shipyards will absolutely l o v e trying to make this grossly overcomplicated chonker if it gets authorized
It'll make for good hangar queen jokes…
Jokes aside, the only seriously bad thing operationally seems to be the weak point that can theoretically be hit for massive damage, for however much it's worth; while speed inefficiencies are bad it can still move fast in emergencies
Strategically however, I'm sure the shipyards will absolutely l o v e trying to make this grossly overcomplicated chonker if it gets authorized
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The entire ship was made of prototype systems?
Holy hell you lot are insane for even considering that. If you now even the basics of naval engineering you'll now why that's horrible idea
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Yeah, I'll accept blame for that, the only thing I was really opposed to was the Nacelles, and those turned out relatively fine.
Looking at the results, most of the bad prototypes don't seem too bad by themselves, with the Shields and Phasers just having extra manufacturing requirements. Its just the deflector that drags it into the screaming OHGODNO zone, with the major vulnerability. I was just expecting it to result in a lower possible warp speed, not to be a big red target. I didn't even know that was a possible outcome.
I'm disappointed by the ship but frankly I think people are overstating the problems. It is not 'shoot here to blow up ship'
If you can get through the working regenerative shields and then if you manage to land a 'major hit' on the deflector dish then maybe the ship could lose power. Of course you have to do that while also facing the frankly ungodly amount of firepower this thing throws in your direction.
It's a nasty result, sure but it's not even close to 'scrap the design' bad. Honestly the thing more likely to affect how many of these ships get build is he manufacturing difficulty
If you can get through the working regenerative shields and then if you manage to land a 'major hit' on the deflector dish then maybe the ship could lose power. Of course you have to do that while also facing the frankly ungodly amount of firepower this thing throws in your direction.
It's a nasty result, sure but it's not even close to 'scrap the design' bad. Honestly the thing more likely to affect how many of these ships get build is he manufacturing difficulty
[X] USS Sovereign. Meant to be the queen of the fleet and reign over its competition.
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[X] USS Century. In many ways a return to the generalist tactical focus of the Excelsior 100 years ago.
I'm sure the Empire thought the same thing about the death star or the British with their Battlecruisers.
Cascade failure usually results in the ship being lost with all hands.
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[x] USS Century. In many ways a return to the generalist tactical focus of the Excelsior 100 years ago.
We had the hubris to mess with a basically perfect design and... Well this is what we got. Hopefully over time the systems can be ironed out and a refit package can put everything to right.
We had the hubris to mess with a basically perfect design and... Well this is what we got. Hopefully over time the systems can be ironed out and a refit package can put everything to right.
The Death Star did have a place where one single shot would blow up the entire ship and it only became a problem because of literal space wizards.
The British Battlecruisers didn't have shields and pretty much everyone knew they'd be vulnerable against battleship grade firepower.
Both of those examples were more vulnerable than this one. Frankly with the regenerative shields this ship is still tougher than 95% of ships out there
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[X] USS Sovereign. Meant to be the queen of the fleet and reign over its competition.
(Prototype) deflector, (Prototype)(Experimental) nacelles, (Prototype) impulse engines, (Prototype) shields, (Prototype) phasers, (Prototype) torpedoes. Yeah, even the Ambassador only had 5 prototype/P+E systems total, and even that drove it's manufacturing score down to a D+ with some of them working fine. Because the manufacturing score isn't just how hard stuff is to produce, it's also stuff like how much overlap is there with existing production.
I'll accept the blame for possibly putting the idea in their head a while back, but that exact possibility of problems cascading was something I brought up all the way back with the Ambassador about why we shouldn't plug a prototype and experimental system directly into the same critically important system like the warp core. At least is doesn't seem to be the worst case possibility of the damage passing through the deflector to make the prototype nacelles blow up, or have the same thing happen in the opposite direction, but it's not like the ship can warp at all without either of those functioning and even losing the warp core by itself is pretty bad, so it's not that much better.
The fact is that a single well placed shot will take the ship out of the fight entirely, leaving it completely dead in the water and easy pickings for a mop up force.
Not the sort of problem you want in a dictated Brawler Battleship considering how expensive these things are and how many people you need to crew them. Never mind the practically crippling hit to moral it would be to watch a BB let alone Flagship go down.
No, one single shot will hit the shields. Lots of firepower directed at the front shield to shut it down followed by a major hit (so probably a torpedo or similar) might take the ship out of the fight entirely.
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we are dealing with the borg, that might could very real possibliity with them
The borg are already capable of mission killing basically all our other ships easily once their shields go down, this one's no different.
In fact, the shields should be able to stay up longer than the other ships because of the surprising mobility and the fact they can regenerate
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[X] USS Sovereign. Meant to be the queen of the fleet and reign over its competition.