Starship Design Bureau
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Im doing this for a reason i dont think ive seen mentioned. POLITICS
Ok so the Borg scare is going to pass eventually and Starfleet is going to take a look at the 3 developed light warships, the Defiant is all teeth and temperamental as well, the Steamrunner i dont know too much about but its called a Heavy Frigate while lastly the Sabre will be a Light Cruiser and will have a science lab.
They're going to see 'Cruiser' and 'science lab' compared to the others and i think that will push them to build a bunch of them, the fact they will be loaded with the latest weapons will be an unintended benefit... that will save us come the Dominion war.
Im doing this for a reason i dont think ive seen mentioned. POLITICS
Ok so the Borg scare is going to pass eventually and Starfleet is going to take a look at the 3 developed light warships, the Defiant is all teeth and temperamental as well, the Steamrunner i dont know too much about but its called a Heavy Frigate while lastly the Sabre will be a Light Cruiser and will have a science lab.
They're going to see 'Cruiser' and 'science lab' compared to the others and i think that will push them to build a bunch of them, the fact they will be loaded with the latest weapons will be an unintended benefit... that will save us come the Dominion war.
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Skippy. For the last time. This isn't the Reliant 2.0. It is not a multi-role generalist. It's a tiny little weapons platform with itty-bitty warp nacelles bolted on. The entire ship is smaller than the saucer section of the Reliant. Whatever the mistakes of the Reliant, this is not and has never been the place to fix them, regardless of which option you think should win.
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It can be both. More capabilities are always great things to have on paper. In this case the Saber is designed for an anti-Borg role, which means tactical considerations are highest. But this isn't a vote about tactical considerations, it's about what to use the remaining space for. In the event cargo wins then the Saber is going to be a ship that you won't see on the borders of Federation space doing exploration - it'll be a cargo runner and general response ship. If you get science, maybe it can run around doing stellar surveys and xenoflora investigations for potential colony sites. It'll never be a science ship, but it can take up some minor load so someone else doesn't have to do it.
I do wonder if I should have a ship comparison panel. Everything is drawn to the same scale.
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[X] Utility-focused. (Extra Cargo Bay)
Honestly the argument that because the ship has no rear torpedoes any cloaked ship can sneak up behind it and blow it up easily just doesn't make sense to me. Frankly, with how Star Trek ships are shown to maneuver a particularly nippy ship like this one would probably find it quicker and easier to turn so it could engage than to find the target, lock on with the torpedoes and fire.
If the enemy has enough firepower to completely blast through the rear shields before it can do so then they'd have enough firepower to kill basically any ship of that toughness regardless of rear facing weapons.
The fact that the Federation doesn't just lose every engagement to ships appearing behind them kinda indicates that it's a tactic that isn't as easy as you think. Either because the Star Fleet ships detect them early enough or because their rear shields are tough enough to keep them in the fight
If the enemy has enough firepower to completely blast through the rear shields before it can do so then they'd have enough firepower to kill basically any ship of that toughness regardless of rear facing weapons.
The fact that the Federation doesn't just lose every engagement to ships appearing behind them kinda indicates that it's a tactic that isn't as easy as you think. Either because the Star Fleet ships detect them early enough or because their rear shields are tough enough to keep them in the fight
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Size Comparison (2335-2372) (LCARS)
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A ship which masses over half a million tons, with advanced weapon system; running cargo.
I'm fairly sure this would make lesser civilizations in Startrek spit blood. It also shows how the Federation basically doesn't mothball ships or have hanger queens.
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Frankly I'm not sure how much cargo you can fit on a ship that sized even with the extra cargo bay. Probably not all that much
Going by the cargo bays we see in various tv shows; easily a few thousand tons. They aren't going to moving bulk raw materials but specialist equipment and materials.
This would including medicine, where a high warp-factor ship is desirable for speedy delivery with more than enough weaponry to make anyone think 2 or 3 times before trying to interfere with this really well armed pony express.
It might actually spend most of it's working life literally delivering mail.
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2368: Project Saber (Certification)
[X] Science-focused (Science Lab).
In the end after a fierce debate you decide to include some expanded science facilities. The hope is that if the Borg threat does not materialise that the Saber might have an extended lifetime thanks to its ability to do some routine analytic science. While it won't ever be going out into the great unknown it could certainly do basic surveys in Federation space. With the internals finalised all you have to do is wait for the primary systems to be installed for prototype testing. You don't have to wait long, given the small size of the ship and the frantic pace of the yards.
The Saber leaves the dock for the asteroid belt to undergo the battery of tests it needs for the prototype systems. The firing of the new engines shows that the downsize from the Type-10's intended use case in larger starships hasn't caused unacceptable performance losses. While there are some minor problems during full-thrust tests, this turns out to be a result of poor reactor containment and some component replacements quickly resolve the issue.
The Type-10 performs to specifications.
The torpedo launcher is not quite so fortunate. You are dismayed to find that the dedicated launcher doesn't quite perform to standard, primarily due to the increased plasma exhaust from the new torpedo casings. The problem is only resolved by increasing firing intervals, which reduces the four-torpedo salvoes that it had been intended to produce down to three torpedo launches instead. Not the end of the world, but a disappointing performance. Starfleet Tactical will no doubt issue a new model that solves the problem, but only time will tell if it is backwards compatible with existing installations.
The torpedo launcher is not as effective as designed.
Fortunately the Type-6 torpedoes are a little more cooperative. This has clearly been a labour of love for Starfleet tactical, with plenty of options to alter the payload and subsequent yields. The photons are notably faster to accelerate as well, reaching the target that much sooner. Less fortunately the experimental warheads are more temperamental, causing substantial wear and tear to the launcher assembly and the enhanced detonation sequences sometimes fail to complete correctly. Tactical is reluctantly forced to send their new quantum torpedoes back to the laboratory for further refinement. But at least you've laid some groundwork for them to build off of.
The type-6 torpedoes perform flawlessly with above-expectation results, but the early quantum prototypes fail testing.
The only thing remaining is for the supervisor to sign off on the design and issue a recommendation to the brass while she undergoes final fitting-out.
Project Saber Mission Certification
The Saber design specification is for an anti-Borg light cruiser.
It is the judgement of this report that the Saber meets these requirements. Details follow.
The Saber has a medium operational range at a cruise of Warp 8 with a maximum speed of Warp 9.4. As such the Saber is certified to operate eight months from the nearest refuelling depot at standard cruise. Crew lodgings are noted to be standard and the Saber has a small multi-purpose space for recreation. Standard complement of 55 crew.
The Saber is equipped with a Type-7 shield matrix, two Type-10 phaser strips, and a dedicated ventral torpedo launch system. It utilizes the new Type-6 torpedo standard. Its weapon systems are exceptional for a vessel of its size.
The Saber is equipped with a pair of downsized Type-10 impulse thrusters, mounted port and starboard on the aft saucer. It shows extreme manoeuvrability and acceleration.
The Saber is equipped with a standard navigational array. Her isolinear computer system is capable of standard computation and data storage, supported by a scientific laboratory able to process basic samples.
The Saber has no shuttlebay and one small cargo bay. The Saber is therefore certified to carry out low-capacity bulk cargo deliveries only.
The Saber has a standard sickbay with ten biobeds. It is not equipped to act as a hospital ship or emergency relief. It has two transporter rooms and is capable of 36 transports per minute under optimal conditions.
The Type-6 torpedo standard is recommended to become regulation standard for all future designs. As the launcher system is undergoing further development, the Saber will require a dedicated production facility for the existing model. The Saber is able to exploit existing production for the Type-10 phaser.
In concordance with the findings of this review and in consultation with Starfleet Command, Supervisor Utopia Planitia authorises one (1) production run of thirty vessels, further orders to be reviewed after a performance analysis in five years.
You're quite happy with the result of this - an order of thirty ships is quite a gesture of trust in the design. The only thing remaining is a name.
[ ] USS Saber. The project name is just fine, conveying the martial intent of the design.
[ ] USS Ushaan. The Andorian honour duel calls back to a time where combat and survival went hand in hand.
[ ] USS Wolf. Not just a nod to the battle, but also to the pack hunters of Earth's wilderness.
Project Saber Results
Ease of Maintenance: B
Ease of Manufacture: B
Tactical Score: A+
Scientific Score: C
Comfort Score: B
Warp 8/9.4
In the end after a fierce debate you decide to include some expanded science facilities. The hope is that if the Borg threat does not materialise that the Saber might have an extended lifetime thanks to its ability to do some routine analytic science. While it won't ever be going out into the great unknown it could certainly do basic surveys in Federation space. With the internals finalised all you have to do is wait for the primary systems to be installed for prototype testing. You don't have to wait long, given the small size of the ship and the frantic pace of the yards.
The Saber leaves the dock for the asteroid belt to undergo the battery of tests it needs for the prototype systems. The firing of the new engines shows that the downsize from the Type-10's intended use case in larger starships hasn't caused unacceptable performance losses. While there are some minor problems during full-thrust tests, this turns out to be a result of poor reactor containment and some component replacements quickly resolve the issue.
The Type-10 performs to specifications.
The torpedo launcher is not quite so fortunate. You are dismayed to find that the dedicated launcher doesn't quite perform to standard, primarily due to the increased plasma exhaust from the new torpedo casings. The problem is only resolved by increasing firing intervals, which reduces the four-torpedo salvoes that it had been intended to produce down to three torpedo launches instead. Not the end of the world, but a disappointing performance. Starfleet Tactical will no doubt issue a new model that solves the problem, but only time will tell if it is backwards compatible with existing installations.
The torpedo launcher is not as effective as designed.
Fortunately the Type-6 torpedoes are a little more cooperative. This has clearly been a labour of love for Starfleet tactical, with plenty of options to alter the payload and subsequent yields. The photons are notably faster to accelerate as well, reaching the target that much sooner. Less fortunately the experimental warheads are more temperamental, causing substantial wear and tear to the launcher assembly and the enhanced detonation sequences sometimes fail to complete correctly. Tactical is reluctantly forced to send their new quantum torpedoes back to the laboratory for further refinement. But at least you've laid some groundwork for them to build off of.
The type-6 torpedoes perform flawlessly with above-expectation results, but the early quantum prototypes fail testing.
The only thing remaining is for the supervisor to sign off on the design and issue a recommendation to the brass while she undergoes final fitting-out.
Project Saber Mission Certification
The Saber design specification is for an anti-Borg light cruiser.
It is the judgement of this report that the Saber meets these requirements. Details follow.
The Saber has a medium operational range at a cruise of Warp 8 with a maximum speed of Warp 9.4. As such the Saber is certified to operate eight months from the nearest refuelling depot at standard cruise. Crew lodgings are noted to be standard and the Saber has a small multi-purpose space for recreation. Standard complement of 55 crew.
The Saber is equipped with a Type-7 shield matrix, two Type-10 phaser strips, and a dedicated ventral torpedo launch system. It utilizes the new Type-6 torpedo standard. Its weapon systems are exceptional for a vessel of its size.
The Saber is equipped with a pair of downsized Type-10 impulse thrusters, mounted port and starboard on the aft saucer. It shows extreme manoeuvrability and acceleration.
The Saber is equipped with a standard navigational array. Her isolinear computer system is capable of standard computation and data storage, supported by a scientific laboratory able to process basic samples.
The Saber has no shuttlebay and one small cargo bay. The Saber is therefore certified to carry out low-capacity bulk cargo deliveries only.
The Saber has a standard sickbay with ten biobeds. It is not equipped to act as a hospital ship or emergency relief. It has two transporter rooms and is capable of 36 transports per minute under optimal conditions.
The Type-6 torpedo standard is recommended to become regulation standard for all future designs. As the launcher system is undergoing further development, the Saber will require a dedicated production facility for the existing model. The Saber is able to exploit existing production for the Type-10 phaser.
In concordance with the findings of this review and in consultation with Starfleet Command, Supervisor Utopia Planitia authorises one (1) production run of thirty vessels, further orders to be reviewed after a performance analysis in five years.
You're quite happy with the result of this - an order of thirty ships is quite a gesture of trust in the design. The only thing remaining is a name.
[ ] USS Saber. The project name is just fine, conveying the martial intent of the design.
[ ] USS Ushaan. The Andorian honour duel calls back to a time where combat and survival went hand in hand.
[ ] USS Wolf. Not just a nod to the battle, but also to the pack hunters of Earth's wilderness.
Project Saber Results
Ease of Maintenance: B
Ease of Manufacture: B
Tactical Score: A+
Scientific Score: C
Comfort Score: B
Warp 8/9.4
Woohoo! Thirty hulls! That's our biggest order yet. Go team.
[X] USS Ushaan. The Andorian honour duel calls back to a time where combat and survival went hand in hand.
The Andorians can have a little starship, as a treat.
[X] USS Ushaan. The Andorian honour duel calls back to a time where combat and survival went hand in hand.
The Andorians can have a little starship, as a treat.
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[x] USS Ushaan. The Andorian honour duel calls back to a time where combat and survival went hand in hand.
I like the Andorian cultural reference behind this name. After all, their culture is militaristic, yet they're also a founding member of the Federation.
Just as there is a place for them in the Federation, there is a place for this combat-happy ship in Starfleet.
I like the Andorian cultural reference behind this name. After all, their culture is militaristic, yet they're also a founding member of the Federation.
Just as there is a place for them in the Federation, there is a place for this combat-happy ship in Starfleet.
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You don't need an escort if you're scarry than any escort available. I mean, our small boat has the same phaser as a battleship equivalent.
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[X] USS Ushaan. The Andorian honour duel calls back to a time where combat and survival went hand in hand.
lets give the honor and battle ppl some love and not be a full of human only club
lets give the honor and battle ppl some love and not be a full of human only club