Star Wars: Ship Designer Quest

HolyDragoon · Oct 17, 2020

Thorgon said:
im sure someone will figure out ASW technology after which the local equivalent of anti submarine frigates/cruisers will become ubiquitous

That's before or after you close that particular hyperlane? Because you would be chucking stuff that goes boom into a dimension that is the basis for the whole galaxy's FTL travel, which means collateral damage is a matter of 'when'.

Oh, also, interdictor fields.

Weaponizing hyperspace would bust the setting. I could see something like SBY dimensional sub, but they would need to 'surface' in real space before acting.

Edit: Also another concern: you need to have a main battery big enough to alpha strike your target for destruction. If you can't take them out in one volley, at the very least they know you're there, and at worst they strike back.

Oracle of Space · Oct 18, 2020

[X] Plan War Footing

Adventwolf · Oct 18, 2020

Sir_Travelsalot said:
Well, there was the IPV-2C. Which was reasonably well-armed for such a small ship. Even with a cargo hold big enough for making impactful mercy missions, it had space for two dual laser cannon turrets, the entire stealth system and four proton torpedo launchers. Though apparently, the stealth systems are pretty ruinously expensive, and they're still not able to hide the magnetic signature.

yeah because it needs the extremely rare and expensive material to make it work and it was a prototype. It was also never meant to fight Anakin is just a glory hound that puts his friends and troops in some of the worst dangers because of ego.

Negation · Oct 18, 2020

I thought the Star Courier is also a Stealth Ship?

Star Courier/Legends

The Republic Sienar Systems Star Courier was a small transport design with a limited production run. The Star Courier was designed by the famed ship designer Rugess Nome, the public persona of Darth Tenebrous. Nome partnered with Santhe/Sienar Technologies who would built the ships for him. The...

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Scimitar/Legends

The Scimitar (or Sith Infiltrator) was a prototype stealth-ship used as the personal starship of Darth Maul, the Sith apprentice of Darth Sidious, prior to the Invasion of Naboo around 32 BBY. The Scimitar had a pair of folding wings around a round cockpit; a design which was used on T-class...

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Granted it's still the same stupidly expensive Stealth System that requires Stygium crystals

Stygium

Stygium was a material used in cloaking devices. The cloaking devices of TIE/ph "phantom" was based on stygium,[2] and the cloaking technology of the Carrion Spike, the personal corvette of Moff Wilhuff Tarkin,[3] and the Sith Lord Darth Maul's heavily modified Star Courier[4] Scimitar ran on...

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On the other hand Hibridium cloaking devices are worse.

Hibridium/Legends

Hibridium was an ore that was found only on the western coastline of the main continent of the planet of Garos IV. It was discovered that hibridium had a natural ability to cloak other objects. The Galactic Empire, searching for an alternative to stygium cloaking devices, discovered Garos IV...

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Oracle of Space · Oct 18, 2020

Negation said:
I thought the Star Courier is also a Stealth Ship?

Star Courier/Legends

The Republic Sienar Systems Star Courier was a small transport design with a limited production run. The Star Courier was designed by the famed ship designer Rugess Nome, the public persona of Darth Tenebrous. Nome partnered with Santhe/Sienar Technologies who would built the ships for him. The...

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Scimitar/Legends

The Scimitar (or Sith Infiltrator) was a prototype stealth-ship used as the personal starship of Darth Maul, the Sith apprentice of Darth Sidious, prior to the Invasion of Naboo around 32 BBY. The Scimitar had a pair of folding wings around a round cockpit; a design which was used on T-class...

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Granted it's still the same stupidly expensive Stealth System that requires Stygium crystals

Stygium

Stygium was a material used in cloaking devices. The cloaking devices of TIE/ph "phantom" was based on stygium,[2] and the cloaking technology of the Carrion Spike, the personal corvette of Moff Wilhuff Tarkin,[3] and the Sith Lord Darth Maul's heavily modified Star Courier[4] Scimitar ran on...

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On the other hand Hibridium cloaking devices are worse.

Hibridium/Legends

Hibridium was an ore that was found only on the western coastline of the main continent of the planet of Garos IV. It was discovered that hibridium had a natural ability to cloak other objects. The Galactic Empire, searching for an alternative to stygium cloaking devices, discovered Garos IV...

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You know, the one thing that constantly annoys me about stealth systems in Star Wars is that they keep pushing for small, submarine-esque ships or even worse starfighters that can turn invisible in canon and legends. This is despite the ONE line about cloaking devices from the original trilogy heavily implied that is a ridiculous notion. "No ship that small has a cloaking device." The way Captain Needa said that it's like he was stating common knowledge; as if the Empire just flat out has Star Destroyer sized ships with the ability to turn invisible.

That line was such an amazing and hilarious bit of worldbuilding I don't get why they couldn't just follow it. Sure the sheer concept of anything huge being stealthy is absolutely nonsensical to us, but in the strange Star Wars galaxy, it is true. Cloaking devices are large enough the thought of stuffing one into a freighter is considered ridiculous -- as crazy to them as the concept of a nuclear-powered hot-air balloon is to us.

Adventwolf · Oct 18, 2020

Negation said:
I thought the Star Courier is also a Stealth Ship?

Star Courier/Legends

The Republic Sienar Systems Star Courier was a small transport design with a limited production run. The Star Courier was designed by the famed ship designer Rugess Nome, the public persona of Darth Tenebrous. Nome partnered with Santhe/Sienar Technologies who would built the ships for him. The...

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Scimitar/Legends

The Scimitar (or Sith Infiltrator) was a prototype stealth-ship used as the personal starship of Darth Maul, the Sith apprentice of Darth Sidious, prior to the Invasion of Naboo around 32 BBY. The Scimitar had a pair of folding wings around a round cockpit; a design which was used on T-class...

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Granted it's still the same stupidly expensive Stealth System that requires Stygium crystals

Stygium

Stygium was a material used in cloaking devices. The cloaking devices of TIE/ph "phantom" was based on stygium,[2] and the cloaking technology of the Carrion Spike, the personal corvette of Moff Wilhuff Tarkin,[3] and the Sith Lord Darth Maul's heavily modified Star Courier[4] Scimitar ran on...

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On the other hand Hibridium cloaking devices are worse.

Hibridium/Legends

Hibridium was an ore that was found only on the western coastline of the main continent of the planet of Garos IV. It was discovered that hibridium had a natural ability to cloak other objects. The Galactic Empire, searching for an alternative to stygium cloaking devices, discovered Garos IV...

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No the scimitar is a custom job made by sienar and designed by Darth plagueis's old master. It was Plagueis's ship before he gifted it to be used by Maul. The Star Courier is just the base model it was built off of.

Thorgon · Oct 18, 2020

spaceman1997 said:
You know, the one thing that constantly annoys me about stealth systems in Star Wars is that they keep pushing for small, submarine-esque ships or even worse starfighters that can turn invisible in canon and legends. This is despite the ONE line about cloaking devices from the original trilogy heavily implied that is a ridiculous notion. "No ship that small has a cloaking device." The way Captain Needa said that it's like he was stating common knowledge; as if the Empire just flat out has Star Destroyer sized ships with the ability to turn invisible.

That line was such an amazing and hilarious bit of worldbuilding I don't get why they couldn't just follow it. Sure the sheer concept of anything huge being stealthy is absolutely nonsensical to us, but in the strange Star Wars galaxy, it is true. Cloaking devices are large enough the thought of stuffing one into a freighter is considered ridiculous -- as crazy to them as the concept of a nuclear-powered hot-air balloon is to us.

it could be that larger cloaking devices are easier on account of not having to miniaturize components that cant be miniaturized any further without some sort of applied phlebotinum

01exia · Oct 18, 2020

Ship design for a troop transport to compete with the U-Wing
The Raptor from Battlestar Galactica.
Purpose troop transport

01exia · Oct 20, 2020

Jax just placing the current tally for everyone to see.

Adhoc vote count started by Doccer on Oct 17, 2020 at 3:34 PM, finished with 43 posts and 18 votes.

9 people have voted
[X] Give Pinagg some resources. (-1 Cost die for this project; +1 Company Trait: -50% Compartment Space for Weapons)
8 people have voted
[X] Plan War Footing
-[X] Give Pinagg some resources. (-1 Cost die for this project; +1 Company Trait: -50% Compartment Space for Weapons)
-[X] Lord High-General Fenrox, commanding officer of the PDF and minister of defense
--[X] Talk about future projects
-[X] General Binks, war hero of Naboo
- Adventwolf
- Thorgon
- Havalt300
- HolyDragoon
- Void Stalker
- Donkey Hote
- Uhtread
- Captainwolf
1 people have voted
[X] General Binks, war hero of Naboo
-[X] Talk about the Battle of Naboo
- Sir_Travelsalot
1 people have voted
[X] Lord High-General Fenrox, commanding officer of the PDF and minister of defense
-[X] Talk about current projects
- Sir_Travelsalot
1 people have voted
[X] Prime Minister LaVan, current head-of-planet of Temaris.
-[X] Talk about current political events
- Doccer
1 people have voted
[X] Lord High-General Fenrox, commanding officer of the PDF and minister of defense
-[X] Talk about future projects
- Doccer
1 people have voted
[X] General Binks, war hero of Naboo
-[X] Talk about future projects
- Doccer

Happerry · Oct 21, 2020

[X] Plan War Footing

Oracle of Space · Oct 21, 2020

Whoops, forgot to vote.
[X] Plan War Footing

Jax · Oct 21, 2020

The Winner is:

[X] Plan War Footing
-[X] Give Pinagg some resources. (-1 Cost die for this project; +1 Company Trait: -50% Compartment Space for Weapons)
-[X] Lord High-General Fenrox, commanding officer of the PDF and minister of defense
--[X] Talk about future projects
-[X] General Binks, war hero of Naboo
--[X] Talk about future projects

Barondoctor · Oct 21, 2020

All right, bug buddy. We're giving you some rope. Don't hang yourself or all of us.

Adventwolf · Oct 23, 2020

Now we really need to pitch our ideas to both the Generals. If we can get them to agree we can set up several orders for our ships. That means we will be required to expand the shipyards and upgrade our system making our stats better. And with the orders in the books, the Banking Guild and the other systems will be more than happy to fund those expansions. Plus we can do the same thing we did with the engine manufacturer on the planet and buy up other parts manufacturers in order to lower the costs of designing and building the ships.

Silversun17 · Oct 26, 2020

some star dock videos

We are NOT letting any pilots on our side of the coming war(s) get stuck with the V-19. the only good thing about it is that the guns are gimballed which is a feature we should totally steal for our own fighter design.

Sir_Travelsalot · Oct 26, 2020

Silversun17 said:
We are NOT letting any pilots on our side of the coming war(s) get stuck with the V-19. the only good thing about it is that the guns are gimballed which is a feature we should totally steal for our own fighter design.

Worry not, I'm fairly sure gimballed laser cannons are rather the norm for fighters, especially when they're mounted on wingtips.

Silversun17 · Oct 26, 2020

Sir_Travelsalot said:
Worry not, I'm fairly sure gimballed laser cannons are rather the norm for fighters, especially when they're mounted on wingtips.

call me a contraian but i prefer going with fuslauge mounts for our weapons. tighter shot groups and all that.

Adventwolf · Oct 26, 2020

The V-19 is more than adequate fighter. With the ability to install a hyperdrive it can instead be equipped with a shield to cover its only real deficiency.

Oracle of Space · Oct 26, 2020

Adventwolf said:
The V-19 is more than adequate fighter. With the ability to install a hyperdrive it can instead be equipped with a shield to cover its only real deficiency.

In what world was the V-19 adequate? No noteworthy durability, speed, or agility to speak of, an absurdly huge silhouette, and quite frankly no advantages compared to the off-the-shelf planetary defense starfighters.

Frankly, the only thing I consider going for it was the external hyperdrive. Sure it was bulky and cumbersome, but it was a decent way to allow a craft to become hyperdive capable without trying to make space to stuff a hyperdrive inside. And a Class 1.0 was definately fast enough for scouting missions, where I consider the downsides of the ring to be less of an issue.

In short, the thing is kinda shit as an incerceptor, expecially compared to what was avalable to planetary defense fleets, but ironically enough probably a better scout than the ARC-170 that replaced it.

Negation · Oct 26, 2020

Try the Missile Boat to outperform the Y-Wing

Missile Boat

The Missile Boat was an advanced Imperial starfighter designed by Admiral Thrawn and built by Cygnus Spaceworks. Designed as a countermeasure against the rogue Grand Admiral Demetrius Zaarin and his supply of TIE Defenders, the Missile Boat was a descendant of the Alpha-class Xg-1 Star Wing...

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Though I still prefer the Skipray Blastboat as a heavy starfighter.

GAT-12 Skipray Blastboat

[11]Unidentified Zann Consortium Pilots The Sienar Fleet Systems GAT-12 Skipray Blastboat was, early in the Galactic Civil War, the smallest hyperspace-capable combat starship in use by the Imperial Navy. While small enough to be carried aboard capital ships as a starfighter,[5] its immense...

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Silversun17 · Oct 26, 2020

Thr skipray is not a fighter. I'd class is as a medium bomber since it has a large payload and a 4 man crew in addtion to being to big.

Seriously I've come to hate the thing since it a high end ship written for the tabletop sw rpgs and its fans dont want to acknowledge that the thing makes no God damn sense if when looked at outside of that lense.

edit:
compare the size on that thing to the B-25. North American B-25 Mitchell - Wikipedia

edit 2: anyway we're a shipyard: we building our own ships not using the ships built by our competitors.

Adventwolf · Oct 26, 2020

spaceman1997 said:
In what world was the V-19 adequate? No noteworthy durability, speed, or agility to speak of, an absurdly huge silhouette, and quite frankly no advantages compared to the off-the-shelf planetary defense starfighters.

Frankly, the only thing I consider going for it was the external hyperdrive. Sure it was bulky and cumbersome, but it was a decent way to allow a craft to become hyperdive capable without trying to make space to stuff a hyperdrive inside. And a Class 1.0 was definately fast enough for scouting missions, where I consider the downsides of the ring to be less of an issue.

In short, the thing is kinda shit as an incerceptor, expecially compared to what was avalable to planetary defense fleets, but ironically enough probably a better scout than the ARC-170 that replaced it.

The V-19 is as fast and agile as the X-wing is. Durability wise it is no more worse off than any other fighter and they didn't "make room" for the hyperdrive they just installed one with no change to the structure which means it would be just as easy to install a shield generator instead with no issue. And no it doesn't have a "huge silhouette because the either thing is thin as hell all the way around. It isn't any easier to hit than any other thin fighter. As for advantages it is faster than most PDF fighter that are all almost obsolete by the way and it is far better armed than them as well the laser cannons and 16 missiles give it far greater destructive ability than any PDF fighter around.

Barondoctor · Oct 27, 2020

I'm gonna say it: why don't we ask Captain Binks if we can get some engineers to eyeball an N-1? Quick, relatively durable, with proton torpedo punch and hyperdrive capability? Tweak it a bit to be a little less finicky and a little more rugged and you're home free.

01exia · Oct 27, 2020

Adventwolf said:
The V-19 is as fast and agile as the X-wing is. Durability wise it is no more worse off than any other fighter and they didn't "make room" for the hyperdrive they just installed one with no change to the structure which means it would be just as easy to install a shield generator instead with no issue. And no it doesn't have a "huge silhouette because the either thing is thin as hell all the way around. It isn't any easier to hit than any other thin fighter. As for advantages it is faster than most PDF fighter that are all almost obsolete by the way and it is far better armed than them as well the laser cannons and 16 missiles give it far greater destructive ability than any PDF fighter around.

There is one major gripe with the V-19, is that it is difficult to pilot. Even clone troopers find that the v19 to be a difficult fighter to pilot. When we design a starfighter design, it being pilot friendly will do wonders for publicity.

Barondoctor said:
I'm gonna say it: why don't we ask Captain Binks if we can get some engineers to eyeball an N-1? Quick, relatively durable, with proton torpedo punch and hyperdrive capability? Tweak it a bit to be a little less finicky and a little more rugged and you're home free.

Good call, the N1 is a decent starfighter in all regards. Creating a custom variant for other planet's PDF's would go a long way for the company.

Silversun17 · Oct 27, 2020

With an N1 descended desgin we could pull the engines to the back and in closer to the hull while leaving the wing upfront as both protection for the engines and to make the desgin aerodynamic with some lift generation for so it can be a multi role fighter.

Edit: maybe bulk up the rat tail so we can mount some more RCS thrusters on it for both maneuverability and to give the pilot more control?

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