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Star Wars An Officer and a Traitor (NO SV, you are an Imperial Officer and Traitor)
- Thread starter Magoose
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Sounds like we may get to build Missile boat level Fightercraft. And well, that could certainly be highly scary for our enemies.
I will write Omakes with AC-Chars placed into our setting!
Well, there is already an ace that can fight on the level of Jedi, going by the name Wedge Antilles.🤔
Well, if there are any AC-protags around, they may be able to outfight the likes of the Missile Boat and the TIE defender with nothing but a Z95-headhunter. Something that may or may not lead them to be hounded for force potential...
Barondoctor
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Considering how many rebels are imperial defectors...we could do well simply by retrieving them before they go anywhere. Wedge, Hobbie, Tycho, Crix, Judder friggin Page...
The Empire knows how to train real good pilots. Just such a shame that they hardly ever actually taken advantage of that thanks to the Big Guns Lobby, the Tarkin Doctrine, and the Culture of the armed forces.
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When a nation's armed forces are inherently toxic and breed defection, its entire foundation for existence, is built on sand.
Doesn't matter how many super weapons you use to make the foundation better if the Poor bastard on the ground won't die for his/her country because the Armed forces are inherently shit you've already lost the war, it's just going to be a slow death for all.
Magoose
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Hey ive seen this movie before?
[X]The Moff's New Groove
-[X] Florin Odessa
[X]The Moff: You wonder how you are still alive, so close to the Emperor? To Tarkin and esspeically to Vader. Everyone knew you were the most reluctant Moff on the council, having been the only one who had been not sworn loyalty among the Emperor's first class of Moffs. Yet here you were, your wife's years of faithful service, and that of your own, have finally paid off. You were made A Moff. But that has been a curse. Previously, you had been able to be aloof in your duties, able to have free reign over your entire fleet, and hand-pick officers that were not only loyal to you but loyal to the Republic... or at very least the idea of the Republic. However, that was not the case now. You have duties that are far above simple tasks now. The Emperor needs you personally to be on call to handle situations or govern systems that are... Troublesome. You believe he knows where your loyalties lie but wants to see just how well you play this part. But something tells you he wants you here. To control you. (You will begin at 40 Standard Years Old. You are a Moff, one of the highest ranking members of the Imperial Military, able to act as governor, admiral, and general all at once, wielding supreme authority that is second only to the Emperor himself... or Vader, in many matters. Every movement you do is monitored. You will have no ability to do what you wish to do... Or do you? Your Family will begin with your Wife/Husband, Two teenage siblings, a son and daughter, and three other younger children, along with your brother-in-law, who serves as your political ally in the Senate.)
-[X] Florin Odessa
[X]The Moff: You wonder how you are still alive, so close to the Emperor? To Tarkin and esspeically to Vader. Everyone knew you were the most reluctant Moff on the council, having been the only one who had been not sworn loyalty among the Emperor's first class of Moffs. Yet here you were, your wife's years of faithful service, and that of your own, have finally paid off. You were made A Moff. But that has been a curse. Previously, you had been able to be aloof in your duties, able to have free reign over your entire fleet, and hand-pick officers that were not only loyal to you but loyal to the Republic... or at very least the idea of the Republic. However, that was not the case now. You have duties that are far above simple tasks now. The Emperor needs you personally to be on call to handle situations or govern systems that are... Troublesome. You believe he knows where your loyalties lie but wants to see just how well you play this part. But something tells you he wants you here. To control you. (You will begin at 40 Standard Years Old. You are a Moff, one of the highest ranking members of the Imperial Military, able to act as governor, admiral, and general all at once, wielding supreme authority that is second only to the Emperor himself... or Vader, in many matters. Every movement you do is monitored. You will have no ability to do what you wish to do... Or do you? Your Family will begin with your Wife/Husband, Two teenage siblings, a son and daughter, and three other younger children, along with your brother-in-law, who serves as your political ally in the Senate.)
Which, for all of their quality, is especially bad for the Fighter core, considering they are seen as and treated largely as cannon fodder, which well...
Basically the main reason the rebels had the advantage in fighters is of the Empires own making. Which means that even with the general quality advantage brought by empire training, the rebels are able to compete from simply both recruitment of defectors and developing a level of experience that the Empire simply couldn't due to routinely throwing pilots away.
The TIE isn't exactly inferior, it just is built to be an economical elite craft which, when they are fielded in such low numbers and with mostly fresh pilots due to being put in situations where few would survive, means few would be able to truly use the TIE to it's full potential, unlike the Rebels whom help leverage both the versatility and forgivability of the X-Wing to preserve their own pilots, creating and widening the experience gap that would eventually overcome the Empire's pilot training edge.
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To Say nothing of the Veteran Pilots that TRAINED these defectors that cut their Teeth During the Clone Wars.
The Fighter Corp had a Veteran Edge before Scarif Killed a fair chunk of them.
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The Problem with the Empires fighter Corps doesn't come down to simple vetrency and equipment, although it can answer the fighter corps downfall during the Galactic Civil War...
The problem comes down to the very doctrine that was being peddled.
@Themarineguy is correct in saying that the Fighter corps was left to die due to doctrine changes... Because thats what the Emperor wanted to promote the milltary industry.
Big ships means lots of workers to build them, and lots of money spread around.
it was economic, not a milltary reason in my mind... and that is terrible.
And probably to some degree political.
I mean big ships tend to be a lot more impressive than fighters, as well as being more intimidating short of some extreme cases involving elite pilots and advanced craft. I mean, the fighter corps is kinda chronically understaffed, with few ships actually having the full screen that they are supposed to have. Only so much resources, so much area to cover, culture and politics are also major roles. After all, why bother actually getting the fighter number to properly fill up the ISD hangers to intended levels when you can simply make more ISDs? And the projects to make a better fighter-craft to close the gap were doomed to fail because while they certainly can make craft that could give the X-Wing a run for it's money, it come with a higher price-tag than the TIE and, well, runs headfirst into the real problem that led to Rebel fighter-craft dominance.
Plus, even the Big Ships were handled politically. The ISD's ENTIRE Design was more a political statement then a well-thought out military plan.
Putting up the Bridge and all the necessary controls of the ship into one massive tower above the rest of it essentially equates to painting 'PLEASE SHOOT HERE' in colossal bright red letters onto it. But they did it anyway in order to showcase the 'superiority ' of the Empire: That they could lay their weakspot open like this and it wouldn't matter.
The Executor paid the price for that idiocy at Endor, if you'll remember.
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Though admittedly, they did have a dedicated shield to protect the bridge...
Which still can be taken out by fightercraft enabling that incident to happen in the movies, as the A-wing was able to slip through within a short time-frame of the deflector shields being disabled, before the point defense priorities could be changed..
Edit:...And then there is the fact that said case was probably so devastating due to it being compounded due to having engine damage and being too close to the gravity well that was the death star, which meant that whenever or not there was a backup bridge was irrelevant with gravity pulling the supership to it's doom.
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Bottom-line is, while they did the bare necessity of trying to make it viable, it just wasn't a good design.
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And this quite opportunity if we're a moff. Whilr we may not be able to change the genetal doctrine, we can do quite a lot. Quite sure few people would mind us doing R&D projects that increas survivability of our forces and increase effectiveness. That would be good way to get a lot of political capital, support, and general appreciation from miltary
Magoose
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And if we decide to Go Rebel, when everyone knows we have been trying to keep them alive, it might cause a few lads to jump ship with us.
Pray, we get Pelly!
Also, there is a possibility of getting Thrawn.
Remember, we are at a time when he is still low on the totem pole.
Maybe you can nab him.
...Watching this video...
It is interesting how it highlights that the TIE fighters, as shown in the movies were easily competative with the X-Wing, counter to the more usual interpetations nowadays. While the X-Wing has more guns, it seems in the movie like the TIEs had better guns which allows for a superior fire rate in spite of having half the number of guns. While the X-Wing has shields, the shown preformance of said shields is far less Steller than the flying tank performance other media sometimes shown, leaving them not that much more durable than the TIE, while being behind in power and speed. And then there is the TIE awareness which at first look is a PROBLEM, but there might be some form of camara connected to their helmet considering at least one scene had TIE pilots look and react to something that would have required them to see through their plane frame and wing...
Which...
Well, paints the picture of them actually not being that much different in quality, with the X-Wing being at a disadvantage 1-1 thanks to it's nature as a multirole craft vs the TIE which is built specifically for screening the bigger ships. Or in other words, the TIE is a victim of everything but their own design.
It is interesting how it highlights that the TIE fighters, as shown in the movies were easily competative with the X-Wing, counter to the more usual interpetations nowadays. While the X-Wing has more guns, it seems in the movie like the TIEs had better guns which allows for a superior fire rate in spite of having half the number of guns. While the X-Wing has shields, the shown preformance of said shields is far less Steller than the flying tank performance other media sometimes shown, leaving them not that much more durable than the TIE, while being behind in power and speed. And then there is the TIE awareness which at first look is a PROBLEM, but there might be some form of camara connected to their helmet considering at least one scene had TIE pilots look and react to something that would have required them to see through their plane frame and wing...
Which...
Well, paints the picture of them actually not being that much different in quality, with the X-Wing being at a disadvantage 1-1 thanks to it's nature as a multirole craft vs the TIE which is built specifically for screening the bigger ships. Or in other words, the TIE is a victim of everything but their own design.
Magoose
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You know something I just realized, if we manage to succeed in our... rebel stuff. And manage to turn out officer corps (a not so likely task)
We may be able to have an even more competent officer corps that the Rebel Alliance can use to flex over the Imperial Stagnation.
And a larger force to really put the Empire on the Back foot.
We may be able to have an even more competent officer corps that the Rebel Alliance can use to flex over the Imperial Stagnation.
And a larger force to really put the Empire on the Back foot.
Barondoctor
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Film TIEs weren't strictly trash. Part of that is the narrative need to establish stakes.
Film TIEs don't deal with atmosphere though. TIEs are comically horrible in atmosphere though. To the point that developing an atmospheric variant (spiderleg joints between cockpit and wings are not only stronger but also cheaper, teardrop-shaping the cockpit instead of being strictly ball-shaped) might be worth doing.
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How much goodwill among our people could we generate by actually making our structures OSHA-compliant, considering the rest of the Empire pretty much laughs at the idea of railings around endless pits?
Film TIEs don't deal with atmosphere though. TIEs are comically horrible in atmosphere though. To the point that developing an atmospheric variant (spiderleg joints between cockpit and wings are not only stronger but also cheaper, teardrop-shaping the cockpit instead of being strictly ball-shaped) might be worth doing.
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How much goodwill among our people could we generate by actually making our structures OSHA-compliant, considering the rest of the Empire pretty much laughs at the idea of railings around endless pits?
Magoose
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Now I'm not saying undying Loyalty, since you are an imperial officer...
But its somewhere close.
