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Space Ninja Summer Camp ( Warframe/Worm )
- Thread starter Sleethr
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Tisaku
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Soooooooooo, I just did some math, you know compared my own Warframe stats and play times, active missions and so on, with Taylor.
Her bodycount has 6 digits at least. I realy want a scene where they argue and Taylor pulls out a line like. "I have a bodycount higher then the amount of people alive in this damn City!"
Around 130k is what my math came up with, and I wasn't counting Corupted and Infrested
Her bodycount has 6 digits at least. I realy want a scene where they argue and Taylor pulls out a line like. "I have a bodycount higher then the amount of people alive in this damn City!"
Around 130k is what my math came up with, and I wasn't counting Corupted and Infrested
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*Que the protectorate trying to slam a kill order on her and getting the wrath of all of the tenno.*
Cause someone is going to make that happen, or at least try.
Endymion
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Eh, the most likely way Taylor will describe it in an interview is just that the Origin System is a dangerous place. Make no mention of actual numbers. Emphasize the ninja aspect and the spying. Down play endless style missions which is where most body count comes from and probably never even mention Exterminate missions except in regards to the Infested. Up play how the Tenno are there to help out the disposed of the system like those living in Cetus. Basically via the lore much of the system is made up of settlements such as those with no connection to either the Corpus or the Grineer. Baro himself grew up in a settlement like that until the Grineer came and wiped it out. The Glast Gambit is built around helping one such community.
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Cetus is also an example.
Of course, the Grineer are looking to change that.
Genon
Baron Awesomesauce the Magnificent
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See, here's my issue with the concept that Taylor has no idea how the law works anymore: She lived on Earth Bet for quite a long time. At least half of her life in fact, depending on how old she was in 2010 when she was kidnapped. Now, she was away from Earth Bet for 15 years, sure. But basic practices and concepts appropriate to the society one lives in, such as law and order, looking both ways before crossing the street, etc, are taught at a very early age, to ingrain proper conduct into children and make sure they don't accidentally hurt themselves, kill themselves or worse out of their own ignorance.
Yes, Taylor was made a child soldier by the Tenno. But she still had, relative to the other Tenno, a modern, first-world upbringing. Concepts such as the difference between war and civilian life, and that murder is bad, shouldn't just go away because Taylor was stuck in the Origin System for 15 years. At the very least, she regularly spent time on Relays where spacefaring humans lived, and she had direct experience interacting with relatively peaceful human colonies such as the Myconians in the Glast Gambit and the Ostrons in Cetus.
In fact, considering how much time one can spend helping the Ostrons and interacting with their society, she should have a decent idea of the difference between law enforcement and the military from their village alone. We don't see it in-game, but I'm still quite sure they have a basic judicial system and a code of laws. After all, no society could function without one.
So I really don't understand why Taylor has such a huge problem with the idea of restraint when dealing with hostiles. If the Ostrons had a concept of "criminal," and thus the idea that lawbreakers have the right to a fair trial (or at least the Ostron equivalent), why doesn't she?
Yes, Taylor was made a child soldier by the Tenno. But she still had, relative to the other Tenno, a modern, first-world upbringing. Concepts such as the difference between war and civilian life, and that murder is bad, shouldn't just go away because Taylor was stuck in the Origin System for 15 years. At the very least, she regularly spent time on Relays where spacefaring humans lived, and she had direct experience interacting with relatively peaceful human colonies such as the Myconians in the Glast Gambit and the Ostrons in Cetus.
In fact, considering how much time one can spend helping the Ostrons and interacting with their society, she should have a decent idea of the difference between law enforcement and the military from their village alone. We don't see it in-game, but I'm still quite sure they have a basic judicial system and a code of laws. After all, no society could function without one.
So I really don't understand why Taylor has such a huge problem with the idea of restraint when dealing with hostiles. If the Ostrons had a concept of "criminal," and thus the idea that lawbreakers have the right to a fair trial (or at least the Ostron equivalent), why doesn't she?
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At the end of some Ostron quests it is implied that the torture information out of Grenier prisoners.
You are right in some points but it's not about her not knowing the laws, it's about her learning to ignore them for so long, keep in mind she her first weeks living as something similar to a sewer rat on a Grenier ship, then got turned into said childsoldire, she knows about earth laws, she just things she is above them and knows better.
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Brozime has a fairly good Free-2-playthourgh, which is relatively recent, about a year old now, I think? Brozime is one of the most informative content creators in the Warframe community, which makes him a great resource although it can be a bit overwhelming when one is just starting. He does the quests in the playthrough, but lore isn't really a major focus for Brozime.
As far as I know, then it's only really DKDiamantes, of the relatively big Warframe content creators, who has a youtube series focused on the lore. Though, to be honest, I haven't consumed much of DK's content, so I cannot vouch for it the same way I can Brozime's.
You need to remember that Taylor has spent fifteen years in an environment where the main "Law" is a clone army that makes E88 look like the NAACP and a merchant cult who already have a price index set up for your newborn daughter's soul. They would probably see the Geneva Conventions as a bullet list of what they did on a Friday night. Plus, another thing to keep in mind is unlike any Earth-Bet criminals, the Grineer, Corrupted, Infested, Sentients and Corpus truly have reserves. Out of the potential thousands Taylor has killed, 99% were mass produced clones, viral abominations, brainwashed corpses, ancient nightmare machines and robotic proxies. And her assassination targets that mattered would have all received kill orders for what they had done. The only one that might be slightly hinkie would be the Elder Grineer Queen, but I think even Legend would fry the bitch the moment he learned about Continuity.
I would like to see a flashback of the moment Taylor went from Earth-Bet rules of engagement to full Tenno, though I have a feeling it would not have been a fun experience for Taylor.
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Flashback: Off the sidelines
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I couldn't resist.
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Taylor refused, that was one of those things she did a lot since she was kidnaped.
At first she refused to just lie down and die on that ship after she was kidnaped.
Then she refused to accept that she was so far from home that returning might be impossible.
After that she refused to kill, those where clones yes, but not all of them were horrible. Steel Meridian and the Kavor existed after all.
So far it actually worked, only infiltrations missions, aim to stun not kill, the worst thing where those Kubrow and Kavats that they sometimes had on hand, yes some of those had died but still, she refused!
Then she landed on the Mars colony.
Mars was despite its great Grineer still a fairly good place to live on and she needed a break, this sady little colony reminded her of Brockton Bay in a way that hurt and felt good at the same time.
Then they attacked.
Again, Taylor refused, she refused to believe that someone can be this cruel, some of those people she spoke to on a daily basis.
Her next refusal was about believing that they were gone despite their colling corpses littering the ground.
When her clan sister offered her a weapon she chose.
The blood of the Grineer joined the sands of Mars.
Never again would Taylor refuse.
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That sounds like Sleethr can use this as a story as to why Taylor does what she does. She wont hesitate, because she refuses to lose what she has close to her.
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Taylor refused, that was one of those things she did a lot since she was kidnaped.
At first she refused to just lie down and die on that ship after she was kidnaped.
Then she refused to accept that she was so far from home that returning might be impossible.
After that she refused to kill, those where clones yes, but not all of them were horrible. Steel Meridian and the Kavor existed after all.
So far it actually worked, only infiltrations missions, aim to stun not kill, the worst thing where those Kubrow and Kavats that they sometimes had on hand, yes some of those had died but still, she refused!
Then she landed on the Mars colony.
Mars was despite its great Grineer still a fairly good place to live on and she needed a break, this sady little colony reminded her of Brockton Bay in a way that hurt and felt good at the same time.
Then they attacked.
Again, Taylor refused, she refused to believe that someone can be this cruel, some of those people she spoke to on a daily basis.
Her next refusal was about believing that they were gone despite their colling corpses littering the ground.
When her clan sister offered her a weapon she chose.
The blood of the Grineer joined the sands of Mars.
Never again would Taylor refuse.
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Taylor refused, that was one of those things she did a lot since she was kidnaped.
At first she refused to just lie down and die on that ship after she was kidnaped.
Then she refused to accept that she was so far from home that returning might be impossible.
After that she refused to kill, those where clones yes, but not all of them were horrible. Steel Meridian and the Kavor existed after all.
So far it actually worked, only infiltrations missions, aim to stun not kill, the worst thing where those Kubrow and Kavats that they sometimes had on hand, yes some of those had died but still, she refused!
Then she landed on the Mars colony.
Mars was despite its great Grineer still a fairly good place to live on and she needed a break, this sady little colony reminded her of Brockton Bay in a way that hurt and felt good at the same time.
Then they attacked.
Again, Taylor refused, she refused to believe that someone can be this cruel, some of those people she spoke to on a daily basis.
Her next refusal was about believing that they were gone despite their colling corpses littering the ground.
When her clan sister offered her a weapon she chose.
The blood of the Grineer joined the sands of Mars.
Never again would Taylor refuse.
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Unless the @Hydralisk doesn't want the fame and notoriety.
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Hey, just to float this out there, how do you guys think the Tenno would react to the Undersiders? I mean, yes, they are villains, but do you think some sympathy would be shown? The Undersiders are all kids, after all, and the Tenno might understand some of their issues.
Rajvik_wolfboy
Wolf amongst the stars.
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I have been raised in this same first world society, as opposed to Taylor i grew up in a home where both parents survived, and lived a fairly easy going lower middle class rural life where i got a pissant little job at 16 during the breaks for my spending money, and didn't of course have to worry about some super villain turning my home town into a smoking crater or looming race riot. And i can also say that at the age of 16 i had little to no problem killing a "pet" steer, pig or goat because it was time to butcher them.
necessity breeds contempt or distance, when i slaughtered, there was no crying. It was a chore to be done, and the quicker done the faster i could proceed on to other pursuits. In Taylor's place, killing their opponents is a chore, one to be done with so they can move on to other activities, Sociopathic i know, but no less truthful because of it.
I have been raised in this same first world society, as opposed to Taylor i grew up in a home where both parents survived, and lived a fairly easy going lower middle class rural life where i got a pissant little job at 16 during the breaks for my spending money, and didn't of course have to worry about some super villain turning my home town into a smoking crater or looming race riot. And i can also say that at the age of 16 i had little to no problem killing a "pet" steer, pig or goat because it was time to butcher them.
necessity breeds contempt or distance, when i slaughtered, there was no crying. It was a chore to be done, and the quicker done the faster i could proceed on to other pursuits. In Taylor's place, killing their opponents is a chore, one to be done with so they can move on to other activities, Sociopathic i know, but no less truthful because of it.
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Taylor was kidnapped when she was 14? Not sure of her exact age, but she was about to enter the 9th grade.
Taylor probably had an idolized view of laws at that age.
She probably also had an idolized view of heroes since the PRt was a thing.
I think @Hydralisk captured Taylor's early mindset among the Tenno pretty well.
"Alienation" is the word.
After 15 years of combat, I think she would remember the laws she grew up believing, but would view Earth Bet's laws as "quant" and also ineffective. The fact that her hometown hasn't gotten any better and in some ways has gotten worse would add evidence to her new point of view. The world has gotten worse, the Endbringers are still a problem and even the S9 hasn't been stopped.
And...she has some evidence that Earth Bet is doomed.
About the only positive is the plan to clear out the boat graveyard and with Fortress Construction behind it...
Now, I gotta figure out how to capture that and somehow convince you crazy readers that I have a plan because like I said, I don't.
Taylor probably had an idolized view of laws at that age.
She probably also had an idolized view of heroes since the PRt was a thing.
I think @Hydralisk captured Taylor's early mindset among the Tenno pretty well.
"Alienation" is the word.
After 15 years of combat, I think she would remember the laws she grew up believing, but would view Earth Bet's laws as "quant" and also ineffective. The fact that her hometown hasn't gotten any better and in some ways has gotten worse would add evidence to her new point of view. The world has gotten worse, the Endbringers are still a problem and even the S9 hasn't been stopped.
And...she has some evidence that Earth Bet is doomed.
About the only positive is the plan to clear out the boat graveyard and with Fortress Construction behind it...
Now, I gotta figure out how to capture that and somehow convince you crazy readers that I have a plan because like I said, I don't.
MetaChthonia
Disco Inferno: ⌈I Learn Through Suffering⌋
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Maybe if she had a perfect memory with the technocyt she could remember them but after fighting in a (apparently) interdimensional war for fifteen years whatever memories of Earth Bet she would have of anything not immediately concerning her would be very vague if at all and even then family would be foggy (a decade alone is a really long time to actually experience especially when your focused on fighting). Also it depends, the date is for when she just turned fourteen (July 2009) and given she was fifteen at the start of Canon (early 2011) and her birthday was around the S9 Arc (April~June) which would make it doubtful she would have any interests in laws but this is your Story so a fourteen yro having weird inteerests form someone her age and a fictional virus that sounds like itturns your cells into code also makes your brain run like a Search Engine is up to you.
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Not wanting fame?! Do you even know me? Please put a neon sign under the perfection I write pointing at it, but not above it because nothing is above me and my work! /sarcasm
(Thanks for adding it
)I just had a thought about another potential bit of hilarity emerging from Tenno-Cape interactions, along with a new character suggestion. Ryuji, the clan's stratigist whos primary Warframe is a Chroma, is spotted heading into ABB territory and calling out Lung. Que the entire Brockton Protectorate panicking over someone deliberately poking the Dragon while Taylor tries stop them from escalating. Why is Taylor trying to stop the Protectorate? It's because she knows what Ryuji was after, and quick to tell Armsmaster "I told you so," when he arrives to stop a fight only to discover that Ryuji was challenging Lung...to a game of shogi.
The only thing more humiliating for Armsmaster was when Oni-Lee chastised him for nearly interrupting Lung-sama's and Ryuji-dono's concentration.
For those wondering how Shogi exists in the Origin System, I figured that given the Eastern motiefs for Tenno decorations, I think a few Eastern games like Shogi would exist as a leisure activity for them outside of combat. As for why the game is still the same across universes and timeframes, it's the same reason why every sentient species has a version of Swedish Meatballs: no one knows why, but you are likely to go mad from the truth if you find out.
So I just marathoned this story today @Sleethr and as I'm crazy noticed a few typos and errors. Spoilered off for space since it covers all the chapters I read today. Anyway thanks for the awesome story and I look forward to more awesomeness as you continue to write.
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JadeKaiser
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Of course despite being otherwise identical, Shogi and those other games have different names in the Origin System, because Warframe.
Like I said, it's much like G'kar's observation in Babylon 5, that this is the sort of universal mystery where you are liable to go mad if you ever learned the truth.
Of course the funny bit of the Brockton Shogi Standoff is the fact that Lung won the match. And it wasn't because Ryuji was holding back to avoid a case of Giant Rage Dragon, but because Lung is that good at Shogi. Hell, in my idea he would probably thank Ryuji for being the first proper challenge he's had in years.
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GingaNoTsurugi
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Then Teshin emerges from the shadows like the Dax Badass he is and challenges lung. Unlike Ryuji Teshin Completely dominates Lung we're talking lelouch lamperouge levels of dominate.
Lung therefore declares Teshin his Rival and worthy opponent.......In Shogi Teshin accepts this and says he welcomes a rematch but first lung must improve.........Meanwhile Their match is recorded by uber and leet who inspired by bet anime (aka that one anime about majong I saw by chance ) edits it so that it appears super fucking serious. Complete with special effects. And mental monologues. It becomes a hit
Speaking of mahjong, I think that alongside an occasional poker night, Taylor's Clan also had a round-robin mahjong group as a loot raffle. Instead of money, the points are for bids on a pool of loot everyone contributes to as an ante.
However the one time they held it on a relay ended in disaster for the clan when Clem took everyone to the cleaners. He may not look like it, but that man is an unrepentant shark at mahjong.