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Vive L'Empereur! We shall carry our Raptor banners to the ends of the galaxy in the name of the man who ended Old Night!
Solar Auxilia Officer Quest. A 30k Early Great Crusade quest.
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This is not technically wrong, but that's kind of my point; why should anyone give a shit about what GeeDubs calls canon if GeeDubs doesn't? If you're just going to change canon on a whim whenever you think a fad of the day is going to sell more product, why should anyone respect your word as a definitive clarification of what canon is? And GeeDubs is only one of many examples of this problem, but those aren't relevant to the quest.
You can declare yourself as a money-grubbing manipulator who will say and do anything in the pursuit of more money, or you can stick by what you've already done as having value worth preserving beyond whether it's maximizing every penny at the moment. You cannot do both.
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This is a mindset that really only occurs with people who really need to touch some damn grass.
First of all, nothing in official canon said anything about democracy failing or being exploited by Chaos, Secondly: here is an full list of xenos getting genocided because of Imperium being facistic xenophobic assholes read that and then tell me xenophobia and facism is ever justifiable.
Never heard Democracy dies by thundering applause not by a whimper?
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I never said that xenophobia or facism is acceptable or justifiable, they are certainly not, I was merely going over the reasons that might have led the Imperium down that path.
Besides I am done with this conversation anyways.
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You do realize that anybody, for any reason, telling you that is probably gonna result in an instaban from SV, right? Also, I remember you posting that link somewhere else and it remains dumb since these "good" species listed include the likes of the Vespid, who are so mentally different from most other races that communication is normally not possible but whom the Ethereals are implied to have brainwashed into service. And the Drakhen, who used psychic mind control to have a massive human slave population. Half of them are also so lacking in information that it's hard to make a judgement one way or another.
You don't hear it because whimpers are quiet. It would have to be quite a large one for such a whimper to be heard.
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See, this is the thing that I was talking about.
@KingCrimson1081 makes a post outlining -IN UNIVERSE- reasons that led humanity to becoming what they did by the time of the Imperium's founding. It is not an endorsement of them, just him saying that there's a reason they are the way they are. And then you come in and tell him off for 'Justifying fascism and xenophobia'
You should touch grass and apologize for insulting him like that.
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I appreciate you QM for stepping in.
It is a mark of the disciplined mind to be capable of understanding and explaining a concept or point of view, without automatically endorsing it.
I'm paraphrasing, because A) I forget who exactly said that, and B) I do remember the original quote saying "educated" instead of "disciplined" and if this thread serves as an example of anything it's that education and discipline are not the same.
THIS! FUCKING THIS!
Big example: Big E doesn't need to be a facist asshole yada yeada yada for things to fall out as they did (leaving aside merchandizing decisions like no fem space marines or other GW needing the plot to move along), he just needs to be someone that saw the Galaxy end...repeatedly and is trying to speedrun humanity to a point where it can sustain itself without him.
Let's not forget that the first second he had to drop the Imperium on the High Lords and Horus to handle the GC for him, he did, to essentially do SCIENCE! in his basement again.
A humanly inhuman being that is terrible at improv, needs very specific goals to be completed in a timetable that keeps getting taint kicked by unholy YIKES x4
He doesn't need to be 'muh new hitler' to be a figure that has reasons for what he does, and still have those reasons lead to terrible actions that, if not 'wholly necessary', are validated by the galaxy still being on fire after the last three ends of it.
It even fits a, if you are christian, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." theme, in that Big E wanted to help humanity get back on its feet and not need him or the primarchs or space marines anymore. That was and still is an acknowledged goal of the Great Crusade, planned obsolescence of himself and his twenty demigod sons...yet those good intentions still ended up contributing to the corruption of every single one of those goals.
Which is the big thing that makes me side with the QM and roll my eyes at the 'muh imperium was always facist' yahoos: In order for the Imperium in 40k to be a 'Fallen from Grace' style empire...you have to have the grace IN THE FIRST PLACE! Things have to have been better for them to have gotten WORSE.
Let's not forget that GC imperium was rome complete with the Rangdan being a stand in for Carthage, and how 40k Imperium is basicaly Austria hungary (complete with the navy of the Austria hungary needing to use Venetian latin in order to have some semblance of a unified language -_- ) and whether or not the entire thing is fascist due to how semi-independent the various parts are (The administratum can be seen as a state run economic red tape gov, the notcatholic church is a theocratic hegemony, so on and so forth.). The closest section we can get that is 'fascist' in any real sense is the Imperial guard and that is because they leant in hard with the Commissars and the like (which were a communist officer class but hey, nuance.).
All in all, this is all in response to people that, sadly on this site are all too frequent, are more focused on projecting their own biases on the setting rather than remotely caring about the setting itself. 40k is objectively a setting about how everything kept...getting...worse. That every attempt and variation of improvement either failed or added fuel to the galactic dumpsterfire that is the current events. This means you can either come into it and revel in the 'fuck it, we ball' cause might as well find the last vestiges of the rule of cool and rule of awesome that the original rogue trader setting started with...or you can come in and take it as a way to immerse yourself in something uplifting.
That no matter how bad things get, there can still be hope in fighting against the 'inevitable'. That those that tell you that entropy will win, and nothing matters are wrong. That there is value in appreciating the gift that is the present, because there are those without the walls and WITHIN the walls that would take that gift from you and all you hold dear. That there is HEROISM in standing against the eternal night no matter how great the odds are. That every day, every hour, every second that can be clawed from oblivion is a victory drenched in spite of futility.
This is a setting where every action matters, for good or ill. Everyone is an asshole to anyone not their own, everyone is out for themselves unless interests align...and yet there can still be good.
I choose to look at it that way. Because I am **tired** of the agenda pushing and projecting.
I mean...seems pretty selfish of us to deny our 9th legion buddies a chance to get new recruits. Who knows how many potential chapter brothers we would be preventing from becoming one of the Emperor's weapons if we don't give our best buddies first pick.
Agreed. Instead of poorly "debating" religion and IRL/in universe politics I would much rather debate something interesting like whether it would be cannibalism to eat dead beastmen. Going off of the previous jokes about teaching the Revant Legion table manners it could be kind of interesting if our cohort adopts some of the legions practices.
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Only if you count them as humans.
It only counts as cannibalism if you eat your own species.
I mean, if they've wildly diverged from the human genetic code, then I do not think so, as they've functionally become a new species, and cannibalism is only when you eat your own species.
I mean, we're technically related as a species to pigs and mice and other things but it isn't cannibalism to eat bacon (and even if it was, I ain't stopping, FITE ME GITZ!) *ahem*.
Whether or not it is healthy or safe to eat beastmen is an entirely different question and one I think is more pertinent: I don't think so. Leaving aside IRL stuff like prions and things that could happen, let's not forget that beastmen can and will have extra organs and bits that might well include poison or toxins that make them unfit for human consumption, but end up being tabasco sauce for Space Marines and their 'yes rocks make a nice snacc' weaponize digestive systems.
If we ARE going to eat other species beyond our Franc approved menu options, they need rigorous testing imo. The qualite of the meal demands no less.
If we get our own planet could we petition for it to be used as a 9th Legion recruiting world.
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I would think it'd be the 9th Legion itself making that petition, not us. Our Cohort's not even permanently attached auxiliairies to the Revenant Legion yet.
I am open to using dead beastmen as cooking ingredients to improve morale with the Revenant Legion. Could even dress it up as an honor since I know there are some blood angel serfs that don't only offer up their blood to drink but their flesh as well, namely the Flesh Eaters, Charnal Guard, and Crimson Blade chapters.
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That's why I said rigorous testing, that way we aren't eating anything that will lead to...badness.
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Damn, I don't remember if it was Revenant Legion Fanon or actual canon, but do the Cannibal boys actually get a benefit from eating flesh? I know they gain knowledge better from consuming blood and flesh, which is where the whole 'churn out veterans from our dead' thing comes from.
But is it psychically active enough to gain more than that? Like the whole 'narrative' of being a Space Marine that's eaten a thousand enemy champions giving a measure of their strength to said Legonnaire.
But is it psychically active enough to gain more than that? Like the whole 'narrative' of being a Space Marine that's eaten a thousand enemy champions giving a measure of their strength to said Legonnaire.
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It definitely gives them knowledge and advice, and lets them pass on vital memories and experience to make them stronger marines. Be it active knowledge, or instincts.
During the Horus Heresy, a band of Blood Angels who'd devolved back into the Revenant Legion from collective shock, were noted as having grown stronger during the Heresy, going from survivors of an expeditionary fleet numbering 3000 before they were devastated, to being a force of 8000 Blood Angels, most of them officially Inductii, but noted as being stronger than Inductii are supposed to be, and being able to match World Eaters in savagery.
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That's how it should be and I wanted the Imperium to be better, but from all we've seen of the material from 30k the Imperium then was only "better" in that it was anti-theist and expanding with more of their shiny toys than being fanatically zealous and decaying.
I'd like it if the Imperium actually was meaningfully better, but according to GW that wasn't the case.
But I'm done arguing about the Imperium, I just want to enjoy the quest of our pretty boy Frenchman in the War Crimes Weapons Division
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I've said it before, I'll say it again, Sangy boy made them such nerds compared to what they used to be.
It gets even more funny when you see the modern Blood Angels be like 'they can't find out about our hideous blood-drinking! It is just too monstrous for anyone else to know our Flaw!!'. Meanwhile, Revenant Legion casually devouring entire divisions of enemy soldiers.
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There is an example of them being deployed for a long duration on their own by the Imperium, and being very confused when Rogal Dorn shows up and asks them why they ate all their serfs, most of their allies, and a good deal of the enemy civilians.
smh, should have kept the supply lines going.
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...I'm gonna be honest, what the fuck did he expect to happen? That the Legion known for consuming not only dead enemies but also allies wouldn't consume dead enemies and allies?
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Average Revenant Legion unit after the most recent campaign is over:
