Shipping It Stargate Style [Worm/Stargate]

Stargate seems to run entirely on Sufficiently Analyzed Magic as far as Clarke's Law goes, considering how many energy beings and psychic powers they have, so this could be fun going the other way.
Said energy beings are also explicitly capable of gaining power from the worship of mortals.

They're gods in everything but name; everyone keeps going on about how the Ori are terrible because they lie about being gods, but the Ori are totally gods by any reasonable definition of the term.

The Ori's real crime was claiming that they ran a heaven that their worshipers souls went to after death when they did not in fact do that. The could have done that if they wanted to, but they didn't want to, so they didn't and just pretended that they did because who is gonna tattle on them? The dead people?


Stargate is replete with examples of outright magic, it's just that everyone in-universe steadfastly refuses to call it magic even when magic is blatantly what is happening here. Instead they give it a funny name like 'Naquadah' and then assert that because they don't call it 'magic space rocks' then it's clearly not magic at all.
 
Said energy beings are also explicitly capable of gaining power from the worship of mortals.
Speaking theoretically here, but if we consider a living being using their time and effort to think about and pray to their gods, they are basically performing 'work'- as in expanding energy on a task. While the mechanics of how their work is converted to Ori power source could be discussed widely, the power generation aspect is definitely not magical in nature.
 
Speaking theoretically here, but if we consider a living being using their time and effort to think about and pray to their gods, they are basically performing 'work'- as in expanding energy on a task. While the mechanics of how their work is converted to Ori power source could be discussed widely, the power generation aspect is definitely not magical in nature.
Yeah there isn't even remotely enough information to know how the whole 'gain power from worship' thing works; basically the only things that are stated is that normally 1 individual ascended = 1 individual ascended, making direct combat between ascended largely pointless as if an ascended directly attacks another then they just both get locked in battle forever.

And then we're told that the Ori can curbstomp all the other ascended because they have a religion and get worshiped and that makes them stronger, and that this is why the Ancients are so staunchly anti-religion; because ascended with a religion > ascended without one, and their PTSD regarding the Ori made them decide that the problem was that all religion was bad, rather than the problem being that the Ori were murderous lying bastards.

That's basically it.
 
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And then we're told that the Ori can curbstomp all the other ascended because they have a religion and get worshiped and that makes them stronger, and that this is why the Ancients are so staunchly anti-religion; because ascended with a religion > ascended without one, and their PTSD regarding the Ori made them decide that the problem was that all religion was bad, rather than the problem being that the Ori were murderous lying bastards.


.... why this part make me think of a certain grim and dark future of the 40th millennia?
 
I abruptly want to know what the others are on your list. :D

(And of course any Entity or Endbringer protagonist ones you might recall too...)
The two I was thinking of were Buster Machine Taylor and Sauron Taylor, though as other people have said Entity Taylors also fit.
Ehh... Q Taylor, Shard/Entity Taylor, Vampire God Taylor, etc. Doesn't even count the crack Taylors.
Note that I said that I have seen not third most powerful ever, and that is mostly because the only Entity Taylor I've encountered is in Fourth, and she hasn't quite reached as bullshit as she is most capable of there.
 
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Also, in addition to the Asgard beam weapons, the Asgard go-away beams transporters are pretty much the most powerful weapon on the planet outside of Scions own Stilling, imo. Since she could just sit in orbit and straight up erase whatever she wants to out of existence.
To be fair, the few times the Asgard transporters were set to go-away-beam mode, their motherships (mainly Thor's Belisknir, don't recall an O'Neill repeating the feat on-screen) had to be no more than a few kilometers (thereabouts) above ground level...

OTOH, the Prometheus managed to teleport a skyscraper that had no small amount of naquada in its structure, all the way out to lunar orbit, but didn't* use the de-materialization mode, so... who the fuck knows what Asgard transporters can really do.

* - OR could not, because of a software lockout put in place, akin to the 'no teleportation of naquada-enhanced warheads' that needed Hermiod (when he was on the Daedalus), else another Asgard technology consultant (i.e. overseer) to personally override.

It's also in Choujigen Game Neptunia, if on a much smaller scale.
Blatant use of the romanization (rather than the localized title) of said game series aside... Superdimension (being the most commonly used form of 'chou'), or Hyperdimension?
 
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Blatant use of the romanization (rather than the localized title) of said game series aside... Superdimension (being the most commonly used form of 'chou'), or Hyperdimension?
Japanese original and translators use both Super- and Hyper-, while the first manga was explicitly Choujigen. Also its called "Game" despite being a literary work.
Basically they get named as the wind blows, so feel free to use whichever?
 
who the fuck knows what Asgard transporters can really do.
Asgard Transporters (aka Beaming technology) are actually construction tools; they disassemble and reassemble matter on a subatomic level, and were later upgraded to be capable of lossless conversion from energy to matter and back again.

That they can be used to disassemble something in one location and then reassemble it somewhere else for transportation is actually something of a side-effect of their true purpose; the creation of anything you have the blueprints of from raw 'feedstock' matter in seconds.


A sufficiently large beaming assembly within range of a big chunk of raw materials (like a moon or a bunch of asteroids) can build an entire Asgard spaceship in seconds, and as long as it has power and materials it can just keep stamping out fully functional intergalactic battleships until it runs out of one of those things. If said beaming assembly is upgraded with the later improvements then it doesn't even need raw materials; it can just turn its energy supply directly into the required matter.

No need for designated construction areas or waldos or drones or anything like that; the beaming tech can do everything all by itself, limited only by high energy barriers like shields.

Even the Ancients needed construction robots to build things (that is what the Replicators were implied to originally be, before Reese repurposed the design for toys), but not the Asgard. They can just fly a mobile beaming array to the location, point at where they want the thing, and in a flash of light there is the thing.


And the Odyssey has the Asgard Core, which is equipped with said matter\energy conversion beaming technology and is explicitly capable of creating literally anything it has the designs for except another Asgard Core and ZPMs. (Why it can't make another core or ZPMs is never given any real explanation, and is most likely a narrative choice to keep the Odyssey special and ZPMs as rare and valuable macguffins, rather than giving the SGC the ability to spam infinite energy forever. This is actually kind of understandable; the Asgard Core being able to replicate itself and ZPMs would basically make it an 'Annihilation Series' Commander\Command Unit, which would rapidly degrade the Stargate storyline into 'and then the Tau'ri walked all over the galaxy with infinite resources and spaceships.')



So yeah, in short; Taylor can make anything she likes, and she has a full ZPM to draw on so she can make anything she likes nonstop for tens of thousands of years even without taking the Asgard Core's energy generation capacity into account. (it actually creates energy, harvesting it from subspace somehow, rather than just storing ridiculous amounts of energy like ZPMs do.)

It would be easier to list the things that Taylor-Odyssey cannot do, as that list would be orders of magnitude shorter than the list of what she can. The Asgard Core has the entire Asgard knowledge-base at its disposal, and unlike Carter, Taylor can actually search through that knowledge-base properly thanks to the part of her brain that is the Odyssey's computer systems (which, incidentally, include the Asgard Core), which was the primary limiting factor on using the Asgard Core in canon; there is just so much stuff in there that it would take literal centuries for even the entire human species working together to go through it all, much less the SGC alone.


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Another fun thing; while the Asgard Core doesn't have the Ancient knowledge-base, there is a lot of overlap thanks to the era of 'the four races' in the past. The Asgard absolutely had the theory and tech behind Ancient Ascension Machines, as it is mentioned at one point that the Asgard biology has degraded so far that they cannot Ascend like the Ancients did, which does actually sort of make sense as the Ascension Machine clearly shows that Ascension is at least partially a physical\biological process.

While the machine doesn't work properly on humans due to being calibrated for Ancients\Alterans\Lanteans, there's no reason why it couldn't be re-calibrated for humans instead.

In short; Taylor can theoretically create machines that turn humans into small-g gods, and that is only scratching the surface of the Odyssey's full capabilities. The Odyssey was a ridiculous ship, effectively an entire intergalactic civilization in and of itself, with all that implies. Planetary Annihilation Commanders would be jelly of the Odyssey, because it can do everything they can do only better, and is space-capable without retrofitting.
 
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Does this mean that Taylor could hold Levi down and harvest his water to make droneships until he eventually runs out? Or use Benny's kill-field for power to do the same for 'free' as far as her systems are concerned?
Unless they can project the right kind of energy field\barrier to block the beaming (which Behemoth might, but Leviathan probably cannot), yes. Yes she could target an Endbringer, turn the beaming tech to 'reclaim' mode and just suck the entire shard cluster out through the Endbringer like a straw. The transdimensional aspect wouldn't even be a problem; the Asgard were quite familiar with alternate dimensions\realities thanks to both Alteran and their own experimentation with such, and there's at least one instance where Asgard beaming technology is used to transport a person from one 'dimension' to another across an 'inter-universal bridge', which is what the Endbringer cores are, so the shards being in another reality wouldn't even give the Odyssey pause. (In fact it might well be possible to just target the Endbringer shard cluster directly 'through' the core, beaming stuff between dimensions requires using special shield technology if you want the stuff to arrive intact, but if you don't mind the thing you are beaming arriving at the target location as a rapidly expanding cloud of exotic particles then no shield is required.)

Though given that her ZPM is full, she might have trouble finding somewhere to put all that energy, a non-full ZPM can easily hold any arbitrary amount of energy, but a full one probably cannot.
 
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Though given that her ZPM is full, she might have trouble finding somewhere to put all that energy, a non-full ZPM can easily hold any arbitrary amount of energy, but a full one probably cannot.
Use the wasteful energy to matter construction mode to make all the O'Niell-class ships so she can have the vacant space she needs?
 
Use the wasteful energy to matter construction mode to make all the O'Niell-class ships so she can have the vacant space she needs?
Given that shards are typically ballparked at continental sizes and masses, and that Endbringers are clusters of multiple normal shards that Eden was forced to deploy in order to avoid being more massive than the planet she was attempting to land on, even a single Endbringer would probably convert into millions of O'Neill-class battleships.

So that would work if Taylor feels like going full Von Neumann Machine all over the galaxy. :V
 
Well, QA ended up as a full repair and restock of Odyssey, including refilling the ZPM, but we don't know if there was any extra energy lost or just what the difference is in the filled ZPM vs more ships but without a ZPM.
 
Well, QA ended up as a full repair and restock of Odyssey, including refilling the ZPM, but we don't know if there was any extra energy lost or just what the difference is in the filled ZPM vs more ships but without a ZPM.
ZPMs can hold implausible amounts of power; they are literally portals to an artificially created subspace dimension from which they extract energy out of until said subspace dimension reaches maximum entropy and collapses.

Yes; they are basically black holes that you can get energy out of after you put it in.

Three ZPMs were able to sustain a dome shield over an entire city-ship approximately the size of Manhattan island against several hundred feet of water pressure for ten thousand years before running dry. Even assuming near-lossless energy transfer (which is not a good assumption; Ancient shields are routinely stated to require stupid amounts of power to run, presumably having ZPMs meant that the Ancients really didn't bother with energy efficiency because if they were running out of power they could just tape more ZPMs to it) that is still a staggering amount of energy per ZPM.


A ZPM's capacity being approximately equal to the quantity of power produced from transmuting most of the matter of a continent-mass object into energy is actually a decently accurate ballpark figure, doubly so when how exactly ZPMs are created is never explained, with the leading hypothesis being 'you throw a bunch of mass you don't care about into the singularity as you make it, which gets mulched into the energy of the subspace dimension which is then extracted' is taken into account.
 
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Ancient shields are routinely stated to require stupid amounts of power to run, presumably having ZPMs meant that the Ancients really didn't bother with energy efficiency because if they were running out of power they could just tape more ZPMs to it) that is still a staggering amount of energy per ZPM.
I'm pretty sure that the truth here is that the Ancients decided to push for effectiveness rather than efficiency, because Ancient shields are the closest thing there is to being actually impenetrable. As long as you've got power, I'm pretty sure that even God Almighty would have trouble getting through this barrier.

Now granted, Odyssey doesn't have those. But I'd say that having the perfect weapon and multitool in the form of Asgard Transporter technology well makes up for not being literally invulnerable >>
 
I'm pretty sure that the truth here is that the Ancients decided to push for effectiveness rather than efficiency, because Ancient shields are the closest thing there is to being actually impenetrable. As long as you've got power, I'm pretty sure that even God Almighty would have trouble getting through this barrier.
Oh yeah, Ancient shields are repeatedly both stated and demonstrated to be a cut above the rest; nothing can get through Ancient shields. They're massive power hogs, but if you can supply the power then Ancient shields can withstand anything, up to and including being dipped into a star.

And of course, with ZPMs, the Ancients had effectively infinite cheap power; any Ancient could put together a basic ZPM out of two tin cans and a paperclip, IIRC this even actually happens at one point when an Ancient gets descended for some reason I don't remember and starts putting together various devices out of modern human machinery and random junk with the goal of re-ascending himself. He cobbles together an incredibly crappy but functional stargate and ZPM to power it out of a microwave and a toaster and other stuff he found lying around the house he was in, amongst other things.

So as far as the Ancients were concerned, ZPMs were a dime a dozen and they really did not give a fuck about efficiency and energy costs as a result.
 
Even the Ancients needed construction robots to build things (that is what the Replicators were implied to originally be, before Reese repurposed the design for toys), but not the Asgard. They can just fly a mobile beaming array to the location, point at where they want the thing, and in a flash of light there is the thing.
Ancients also had this technology. It was just specifically noted that their beaming/teleporter technology was severely limited in range compared to the Asgard counterpart.
There was even an episode (though I don't recall the specifics) where the SG team was helping some ancient build something from scratch via an assembler that would hook up to their heads to allow for easy designing.
 
Ancients also had this technology. It was just specifically noted that their beaming/teleporter technology was severely limited in range compared to the Asgard counterpart.
There was even an episode (though I don't recall the specifics) where the SG team was helping some ancient build something from scratch via an assembler that would hook up to their heads to allow for easy designing.
They had the basic 'rearrange matter at the subatomic level' tech; that's how Replicators turn stuff into more Replicators, but Ancient tech can't do it at range like Asgard tech. Ring Transporters use the same fundamental method, but the range is limited to 'inside the rings' instead.

Only the Asgard ever figured out how to just beam shit around freely at long range, though that was probably more because the Ancients were focused mostly on Ascension rather than perfecting their 'physical' technologies.
 
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They had the basic 'rearrange matter at the subatomic level' tech; that's how Replicators turn stuff into more Replicators, but Ancient tech can't do it at range like Asgard tech. Ring Transporters use the same fundamental method, but the range is limited to 'inside the rings' instead.
I'd say that surface to orbit range, and beaming stuff through the gate is good enough.
Also it does it instantly, unlike the Asgard beam that kinda acts like a printer with large scale objects (though in honesty we never saw an Ancient teleporter or beam try to do something with ship sized objects).
 
I'd say that surface to orbit range, and beaming stuff through the gate is good enough.
Also it does it instantly, unlike the Asgard beam that kinda acts like a printer with large scale objects (though in honesty we never saw an Ancient teleporter or beam try to do something with ship sized objects).
The issue is you need to make rings large enough to go around the thing you are building, so while Ancient tech can fabricate smaller stuff easily, they can't just print an entire skyscraper or spaceship.

Of course they can use a swarm of Replicators to accomplish the same thing, probably not as rapidly as Asgard beaming, but still very quickly.
 
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