Shards of a Broken Sun [Megaten/Shugo Chara/Exalted]

EDIT: To clarify, the difficulty Amu has with hiding the number plate is basically that she has to keep doing so, consistently, while unable to see it.
Is the plate the hard part? What if we throw a stunt at it?

[X] Take pictures of the front and back plates with your phone camera and use the pictures as focus aids.

If the color is hard too, it may be better to just not bother - if our focus drops, our car suddenly changing color would be very noticeable.
 
If it was just numberplates, you could just smear mud on them and be done with it, really. Or even dent it in such a way the lettering can't clearly be seen and fix it later with Su. Might get in trouble with traffic police if they saw it and gave enough of an ass to flag you down, but IMO that's less likely even than reporters following the car.

From a mundane standpoint, it's disguising the rest that is harder. There's only so much Amu can do with a can of spraypaint.
 
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Is the plate the hard part? What if we throw a stunt at it?
It's targeting. You're in a moving car, attempting to keep an illusion in place over a number plate you can't see, while it's accelerating in to-Amu unpredictable ways. Relativity isn't even fully applicable here.

Add in the rest of the car, and... it's going to be difficult.
 
It's targeting. You're in a moving car, attempting to keep an illusion in place over a number plate you can't see, while it's accelerating in to-Amu unpredictable ways. Relativity isn't even fully applicable here.

Add in the rest of the car, and... it's going to be difficult.
The drawback of Big Miki - no Amulet Spade. If Amu had Amulet Spade, she could do it herself. Because she'd get 2 dots in paint-based Illusions and her paint would stick to the car and then she wouldn't have to do anything other than make sure it didn't disappear until the trip was done. But no, instead, we only have our less-than-trained 1.5-dots in Illusion and need to do it this way if Amu tries to do it herself.

[X] Pick up Utau, ask if they could borrow Nikaidou's car.

Guess we do have people willing to vote more.
 
It's targeting. You're in a moving car, attempting to keep an illusion in place over a number plate you can't see, while it's accelerating in to-Amu unpredictable ways. Relativity isn't even fully applicable here.

Add in the rest of the car, and... it's going to be difficult.
None of that was an issue with, say, the decorations on Ami's gift box. Do those work differently?

If it was just numberplates, you could just smear mud on them and be done with it, really. Or even dent it in such a way the lettering can't clearly be seen and fix it later with Su. Might get in trouble with traffic police if they saw it and gave enough of an ass to flag you down, but IMO that's less likely even than reporters following the car.
That seems significantly more conspicuous than just leaving the plate unaltered. Our unaltered plate only stands out to someone who knows what they're looking for. A clearly damaged or defaced plate stands out without such information.

[X] Pick up Utau, ask if they could borrow Nikaidou's car.
With the car, I'm actually more worried about Manticore recording its details and looking up who owns it than I am about anyone recognizing it on this trip. Taking Nikaidou's car doesn't really help with that.

(I'm not really expecting any car-related problems, but I'm more worried about the car getting tracked down later than I am about the car getting recognized now.)
 
That seems significantly more conspicuous than just leaving the plate unaltered. Our unaltered plate only stands out to someone who knows what they're looking for. A clearly damaged or defaced plate stands out without such information.
Only to traffic police. I mean sure, maybe some other motorist might notice and be a tad disgusted at the state of it, but honestly who pays attention to numberplates when they're not specifically looking for them, muddy, dented or otherwise?

Also taking Nikaidou's car helps, because anybody who tries to trace it will have to knock on Nikaidou's door before they knock on ours. Not only will Nikaidou not really be able to help them (as he is not in the loop), Utau will probably realize and warn us in advance about it.
 
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Only to traffic police. I mean sure, maybe some other motorist might notice and be a tad disgusted at the state of it, but honestly who pays attention to numberplates when they're not specifically looking for them, muddy, dented or otherwise?
Cars in Japan are a privilege, as in, you have to meet a few standards to even be able to allowed to have one.

Just for two issues I know of. The licenses are not easy to get and require passing a relatively tough test. Anyone in a city needs to be able to secure a parking spot for it, this is not an automatic thing and might be impossible depending on where you live even.

Due to this, cars obviously will be treated far more cautiously and less throw away in Japan. So messed up cars will stand out a lot more to others.


Personally due to things like this I've never super liked the car idea, as in some ways in how I see it, it almost makes you stand out more in Japan.
 
Only to traffic police. I mean sure, maybe some other motorist might notice and be a tad disgusted at the state of it, but honestly who pays attention to numberplates when they're not specifically looking for them?

Also taking Nikaidou's car helps, because anybody who tries to trace it will have to knock on Nikaidou's door before they knock on ours. Not only will Nikaidou not really be able to help them (as he is not in the loop), Utau will probably realize and warn us in advance about it.
Who's going to pay attention to our regular, unaltered plates? If a traffic cop sees that we're driving with illegible plates, that's an actual crime with actual criminal penalties attached under the Road Transport Vehicle Act, and it's their actual job to pay attention to that kind of crime.

I think Manticore tracing Nikaidou's car back to where Utau lives is about as likely to lead to negative consequences for Utau as tracing Midori's car back to where we live is to lead to negative consequences for us. I'm not sure what they'd actually do - spy on us? Stage a gas leak? Nothing? - but I don't want to push consequences onto Utau.
 
None of that was an issue with, say, the decorations on Ami's gift box. Do those work differently?
Amu was sitting right there, looking at it, and neither it nor her were moving. It was a gift, but not the sort of gift meant to last indefinitely; more of a presentation.

She also spent multiple hours getting it just right.
 
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Who's going to pay attention to our regular, unaltered plates? If a traffic cop sees that we're driving with illegible plates, that's an actual crime with actual criminal penalties attached under the Road Transport Vehicle Act, and it's their actual job to pay attention to that kind of crime.
I expect any tracing of numberplates would be done via camera footage, rather than someone actually memorizing the plates. And it is also illegal for Amu to be attaching fake numberplates too, using illusions or otherwise. Fake numberplates are not any more legal than damaged ones and arguably worse, as you can at least argue damaged plates were damaged by accident and you're on your way to fix it.

If you think the risk of using a damaged plate is that much worse than being caught out with fake ones later, just vote for fake plates. I personally don't think the risk of using damaged ones is that much higher.
I think Manticore tracing Nikaidou's car back to where Utau lives is about as likely to lead to negative consequences for Utau as tracing Midori's car back to where we live is to lead to negative consequences for us. I'm not sure what they'd actually do - spy on us? Stage a gas leak? Nothing? - but I don't want to push consequences onto Utau.
In-story, that would be up to Utau and Nikaidou. We're already telling her what we're bringing her along for. She might refuse to ask Nikaidou to borrow his car.

Already pointed out the clear benefits of having Utau as an early-warning beacon if anyone comes looking around (though Amu shouldn't be thinking that, she'd just be asking to borrow to car to avoid reporters). Would be easier to convince people it was a bad idea if you could state what you believe the actual drawbacks would be.
 
I expect any tracing of numberplates would be done via camera footage, rather than someone actually memorizing the plates. And it is also illegal for Amu to be attaching fake numberplates too, using illusions or otherwise. Fake numberplates are not any more legal than damaged ones and arguably worse, as you can at least argue damaged plates were damaged by accident and you're on your way to fix it.
Fake plates aren't the immediately recognizable kind of illegal that damaged plates would be.

Already pointed out the clear benefits of having Utau as an early-warning beacon if anyone comes looking around (though Amu shouldn't be thinking that, she'd just be asking to borrow to car to avoid reporters). Would be easier to convince people it was a bad idea if you could state what you believe the actual drawbacks would be.
Anything Manticore would be willing to do to us when they find us, they would be willing to do to Utau when they find her. I don't know what they're willing to do, but I don't think "knock on the door and ask politely" would figure in their plans.
 
Fake plates aren't the immediately recognizable kind of illegal that damaged plates would be.
Since I'm working off the presumption that anybody checking plates would be doing via camera footage after the fact, there would be footage of Midori driving around in car that looks identical to what is sitting in her house, but with plates that are clearly not her registered ones.

Not so much a problem if the rest of the vehicle looked different from the one at her house (which, by the way, is why none of my suggestions were solely for altering the numberplate, but also included altering what the body looked like) - but your idea stops at altering the plates alone.

I can tell you, the first thing I would think when looking at that is NOT: "Oh man, she must secretly have bought another car of the exact same make, model and color and have it parked elsewhere".

It might not be discovered immediately, but it would definitely be recognizable eventually.
Anything Manticore would be willing to do to us when they find us, they would be willing to do to Utau when they find her. I don't know what they're willing to do, but I don't think "knock on the door and ask politely" would figure in their plans.
Guess we'll just have to disagree on how little or how much effort they would be willing to put in to verify that they've got the right target then.
 
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Since I'm working off the presumption that anybody checking plates would be doing via camera footage after the fact, there would be footage of Midori driving around in car that looks identical to what is sitting in her house, but with plates that are clearly not her registered ones.

Not so much a problem if the rest of the vehicle looked different from the one at her house (which, by the way, is why none of my suggestions were solely for altering the numberplate, but also included altering what the body looked like) - but your idea stops at altering the plates alone.

I can tell you, the first thing I would think when looking at that is NOT: "Oh man, she must secretly have bought another car of the exact same make, model and color and have it parked elsewhere".

It might not be discovered immediately, but it would definetely be recognizable eventually.
She's not supposed to be recognizable as Midori. If Manticore can identify Midori, they don't need to identify the car.

Guess we'll just have to disagree on how little or how much effort they would be willing to put in to verify that they've got the right target then.
Utau is going on the trip. She's one of the right targets.
 
She's not supposed to be recognizable as Midori. If Manticore can identify Midori, they don't need to identify the car.
They'd see the make, model and color. If they had access to government databanks, they would soon realize the numberplate doesn't exist for any cars of the kind, meaning the owner was using fake plates.

Assuming the number is an actual plate number for any vehicle at all and not completely and obviously fake like "42-19".
Utau is going on the trip. She's one of the right targets.
She's not the driver of the car. The driver they are looking for would be a woman, unless Midori makes herself look like a man.

Yuu Nikaidou may sort of look like a woman from the right angle, but not really.
 
Resetting the vote counter. Since I do want to write the chapter this weekend, you have until tomorrow afternoon.
 
I mean, there IS a way that Amu could potentially disguise the car herself without needing a dice roll, but it kind of gets into "micro-management" territory. Way back during chapter 1.10, it was pointed out that Amu's own "tactile" Illusions can last for up to an hour.
It can be a one-time expenditure, but conjuring something that's meant to stick around forever is far more exhausting than something she lets fade away. The latter requires constant effort, of course, but the crossover point is somewhere around one hour.
She can't make tactile illusions with only 1 dot (the above was assuming her Illusions were effectively level 2, from being boosted by Chara specialization). Miki could've given her a painting specialization for that extra dot, but now she's Big Miki.

However. She can boost her Illusion skill to 2 dots by using the Dumpty Key, since it gives the same bonus as the Humpty Lock.
The fairly obvious answer is 'yes'. Though Utau hasn't played around with it, and doesn't actually know, it's something they'd be able to guess.
So if Amu were to borrow the Dumpty Key, she could use it to boost herself and conjure up tactile illusions (decals, paint, fake plate, etc.) that could actually stick to the car, that should last for 1 hour after application and not need her to constantly "recalibrate" its position like she would under her default Illusion 1 approach.

If anyone wants to try voting for that, I'll switch to it too.

[ ] Borrow the Dumpty Key from Utau, try and use it to temporarily give the car a new coat of paint, numberplate and whatever else you think might help disguise it from the reporters.
 
They'd see the make, model and color. If they had access to government databanks, they would soon realize the numberplate doesn't exist for any cars of the kind, meaning the owner was using fake plates.

Assuming the number is an actual plate number for any vehicle at all and not completely and obviously fake like "42-19".

She's not the driver of the car. The driver they are looking for would be a woman, unless Midori makes herself look like a man.

Yuu Nikaidou may sort of look like a woman from the right angle, but not really.
They wouldn't just be looking for the driver. They'd be looking for everyone who showed up at the house. Heck, the car might not even be in any footage they have, depending on their camera coverage and how close we take it. (Assuming they have any cameras, anyway - there's still the possibility that Manticore isn't watching the house at all and this whole discussion amounts to nothing.)

Anyone tracing fake plates will realize they're fake, but the situation isn't any better with damaged or defaced plates.

So if Amu were to borrow the Dumpty Key, she could use it to boost herself and conjure up tactile illusions (decals, paint, fake plate, etc.) that could actually stick to the car, that should last for 1 hour after application and not need her to constantly "recalibrate" its position like she would under her default Illusion 1 approach.

If anyone wants to try voting for that, I'll switch to it too.

[ ] Borrow the Dumpty Key from Utau, try and use it to temporarily give the car a new coat of paint, numberplate and whatever else you think might help disguise it from the reporters.
If Baughn says this works without introducing additional complications, I'm up for it. What you're describing sounds like it might take a while, though.

Also, that QM post says maintaining a temporary conjuration for 1 hour is very exhausting, about as much as making something that lasts permanently. I don't know how long this trip will be, but I'm not sure we can afford the effort to keep up all these illusions the whole time.
 
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The dumpty key was never used in the show, and the pair would be guessing what it will do. I've already told you what the guess is; I can't tell you if the guess is correct or not, though in the interest of minimizing 500-word chapters, I will tell you that if it doesn't work the way they expect, the manner in which it fails won't be simple or quick to deal with. In questor time, at least, if not in story time.

The only person who might know is Tsukasa. And/or Utau's father, but he hasn't been seen in over a decade.

But in most circumstances it would boost the user's (non-zero) psionic skills by one dot, yes. Hmm. @Quine - you could just have Utau use it, it'd have the same effect, more safely. Utau isn't as good at illusions as Amu—no—but she's good enough that, if she pulls out all the stops, she can still handle this.

It'd also be a nice morale boost for the poor girl.
 
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Are we seriously going to continue on pondering how to resolve a matter with not very high probability, with now potentially illegal methods? Can't help but think this is a vast over focus on just this particular speculative situation.
 
It'd also be a nice morale boost for the poor girl.
Utau has morale problems?

....Don't tell me one of those 11 casualties from Seiyo was someone she knew. :confused:

Also-
I will tell you that if it doesn't work the way they expect, the manner in which it fails won't be simple or quick to deal with.
-Oof. Guessing trying to use the Dumpty Key to boost Amu's Mental Range wouldn't quite have gone to plan in that case either.

I guess if anyone votes for this, I'll go in too - I think it's pretty close in spirit to the previous winning vote anyway.... in fact, it's pretty much exactly the same, except for explicitly reminding Utau she has a Dumpty Key she can use.

[ ] Ask Utau to try and put up Illusions to change the numberplate and chassis of the car, ask if her Dumpty Key might be of help.
 
Wait, are we starting from right back there again?

....In that case, no thank you, I say 'no' to using the Dumpty Key to try and boost Amu's range. Don't want an aneurysm all over the sidewalk without even a car handy to drive her to the hospital.

[X][Party] Amu, Midori, Utau
-[X] Suggest that Midori and Utau don disguises, or at least permit an Illusion to disguise their faces when going out.
[X][Approach] Psychic Wardriving: Pile into the family car. Use psionic abilities to check the house and surroundings while driving past. Ask Utau to try and put up Illusions to change the numberplate and color of the car, suggest her Dumpty Key might be of help.
[X] Bring Hikaru's ward stone.
 
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I think you're reading too much into Baughn's posts again.
I think what would've happened if we went through with that plan would've been an interrupt when Amu tried to use the Dumpty Key that resulted in Utau bailing her out and yanking it away.

The exact effect who knows, but I do not believe it would have gone to plan and by QM admission, would potentially have resulted in multiple updates worth of problems.

Personally, I'm just feeling like getting to the Scavengers plot.

I wholly understand if you want to see what the Dumpty Key does to Amu, I do have a twinge of curiosity too. Not quite enough to go for it.
 
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