Baughn
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In this case it says Nero was drawing a lot of analogies, none of them fully accurate. Saaya wasn't in her best mind, but any specific wording like that is likely to be Nero's.
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Shards of a Broken Sun [Megaten/Shugo Chara/Exalted]
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That's a possible interpretation, though when I brought that line of thinking up awhile ago the author gave the impression that wasn't quite it. (Though I could have misunderstood that) I did have a new idea since then, which is that mental skill training at this kind of accelerated rate might inherently be pushing her mind quite a lot. Speculatively this might be because this kind of learning rate is kind of weird and as such might be a kind of psychic power in its own right, or at least something a little bit like that.
If that is the case, stronger integrity would probably be a good thing as it would give better chances of nothing untoward happening, or might eventually even make us have no rolls at all anymore then. Also if the speculation is correct, it certainly identifies a potential drawback to psychic powers, something that some what offsets their cheapness to train. A tough mind might be required to use such powers safely.
Pattern Spider Touch is a Shaping attack, but I doubt she really used it any more than she used the World Breaker's Hand.
Well, I'd rather not have Amu act completely drunk somewhere where that has more consequences. Gotta figure out what's going on with these rolls.
Miki is still flying around separately. I don't know if anyone told them.
EYEBALLS! Also she's awake now, whenever "now" is.
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The one you failed was actually the Integrity vs. Integrity roll, which was also the one most likely to fail.
The roll scheme is, admittedly, upside-down, though the odds were correct. I'll fix that before the next one. You'll get the actual rules once Amu has figured it out in-story.
If you want a hint, it's... it could have gone worse, although 'worse' is in some ways 'better'.
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[X] Plan: My Friend Is Making Me Worried
Well, so far Amu has no reason to think anything is wrong. The only consequences were in a dream, where she wasn't expecting to be lucid anyway. (Ami seems to have been lucid, but she's also way better at this.)
So Integrity vs. Integrity was the most likely to fail. We didn't fail "Confirming: Overgrowth vs. Int", which is who-knows-what against either Integrity or Intelligence. We didn't need to roll Illusion vs. Integrity, for some reason. The roll scheme is "upside-down", but the higher rolls on Overgrowth vs. Int didn't cause a failure... hm. I'm not sure if higher Integrity is going to make these rolls easier, or harder. I can see ways it might work either way.
A failure of Integrity vs. Integrity caused the "drunk" dreamwalking. Dreamwalking is supposed to be a mostly navigational skill, while Integrity sounds right for remaining lucid in a dream. Maybe if we failed the dreamwalking roll, we would have gotten lost.
Is Amu doing any of the stuff we voted for as Integrity training yet?
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Baughn
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She's training it, but accidentally.
Amu isn't yet being deliberate about anything but... "Um, I guess I'd better catch up with my new (temporary) school. Though nobody told me where they're at, so I'll just... skim all these books, I guess."
That is because I rolled it locally before realising I shouldn't. It passed.
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[X] Plan: My Friend Is Making Me Worried
Ah. That's an important part of the puzzle!
Hmm. None of what Amu's doing seems like it should put a significant strain on her Integrity at all.
Maybe the doctors are right, and there is something important missing from Amu's mind? And/or maybe losing the Humpty Lock has affected her? Or maybe keeping Miki out all day every day is a strain, or resisting Ami's passive effects, or... there are a lot of hypotheses and not enough evidence yet.
EDIT: Or maybe you meant she's doing the things we put in the Integrity vote, but for other reasons.
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Right, so these rolls - especially Overgrowth - weren't for bonuses, they were all for mitigating failures.
If they were rolled upside down, that means Overgrowth was rolled first. Which heavily implies that it's trying to train multiple things at the same time that is a problem. She isn't really training Integrity actively, because she doesn't need to - it already automatically strains Amu's own Integrity to try Solar-speed training multiple things like Dreamwalking and Lore, so that the act of training multiple skills/abilities at once can also train Integrity if we voted to do so.
It's just not healthy for her to do it, as I'm guessing it could be building up her equivalent of Limit while she does.
Guessing the reason Illusion didn't get a roll is either because cloning textbooks falls under Miki's drawing specialty and doesn't unduly strain her, due to getting natural help from the Chara, or because she's allowed to train 1 thing without straining and Illusion got picked (possibly because it was the least strenuous of the lot due to the former reason).
So Amu doesn't -really- get natural Solar training times, she gets a knockoff version powered by Dia (or the "Chara system" in general) that allows her to train maybe 1 thing at a time at Solar training times without issue, or else relies on needing everything to be closely tied to her Charas to not strain her - i.e. she could probably train Athletics, Performance and Craft at the same time if she tapped into Ran's specialty, Miki's musical specialty and did cooking/sewing for Craft to leverage Su's specialty.
But trying to learn both Teleportation and Thermokinesis at the same time is virtually guaranteed to strain her as none of her Charas have any apparent way to use their specialty to offset the load.
@#$% me.
.......That really sucks.
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Quoting a previous QM post:
So the multi-training hypothesis is probably wrong. (Unfortunately, we did not end up finding out what the cause was in the next update.)
It turned out Illusion did actually get a roll:
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It's not "multi-training" per se, I think it's specifically "multi-training without Chara specialty".
As in, I think multi-training Athletics, Craft and Performance would be fine due to the "fitting" with the Charas. Probably fine even at a higher intensity of training than what we are currently doing for Dreamwalking and Illusion and Lore.
I think it's training multiple things without specialty that is the problem.
I know, I saw what was said about the roll getting retracted.
But what that tells us, is that the "baseline approach" was that "all stats should need a roll" before the QM then realized that Illusion was the exception to the rule in this case. Either because the stunt we used created an exception (i.e. falls under Chara specialty), or because it fell into a natural exception to what would otherwise be a default rule (i.e. 1 stat allowed without problems).
I'm pretty sure "shouldn't" meant "shouldn't do it locally" instead of "shouldn't roll it at all".
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If that is true, we're back to the "any training at all will trigger an Integrity roll" situation and my theory about Dia freezing Amu's state of self and needing to fight a contesting roll every time we try.
And likely not just 1 roll, but 2 rolls - the first just to make it possible to train at all ("overgrowth"). And then another to train without any visible incident (the actual stat rolls).
All the while accruing Limit or whatever it is that Amu pays for her Psionic usage with the whole time with each training attempt.
@#$% me.
.......That really sucks.
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.....So here's the thing. You said that we are allowed to opt for ceasing/halting our training at any time.
Since we apparently need to pass a roll for the training to even be allowed.... does this mean that, if we were to stop/pause training on a stat, we would need to roll AGAIN on the restart to see whether it can be successfully done?
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No, the rolls are to guide my writing and let me add things such as, say, "drunk 'nee-chan". Y'all are overthinking it just a tad—she isn't going to break herself.
And yet, Amu isn't actually trying to train at solar speed. She isn't consciously doing anything that would cause whatever is going on. But it's happening anyway...
If we had training progress bars, I wonder what we would see. Did that failed roll hurt our progress?
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Though if you believe the doctors at JPs, that's only because she already is broken. The damage has apparently resulted in at least 4 separate pieces, maybe 5 if you count Amu herself, with the other 4 being called Ran, Miki, Su and Dia.
Baughn
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Training progress bars are coming! But, uh, no it didn't.
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I have! But all things must come to an end, if "have fun writing" counts as a lack-of-break, so let's see where we're at.
Well, I think dissembling probably falls under socialize. Or larceny, depending? But socialize in this case.
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....Dissembling? Is Amu not actually worried about Kana? I didn't think the vote had anything that would involve Amu hiding her emotions, only withholding the whole story on Kana?
Unless attempting to withhold the whole story requires a Socialize roll to succeed?
Unless attempting to withhold the whole story requires a Socialize roll to succeed
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Baughn
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Amu is a thirteen year old girl attempting to withhold the full story from her parents. They'll very likely figure out that something is up.....Dissembling? Is Amu not actually worried about Kana? I didn't think the vote had anything that would involve Amu hiding her emotions, only withholding the whole story on Kana?
Unless attempting to withhold the whole story requires a Socialize roll to succeed
You don't need to worry that the vote won't work, though. I use dice rolls in two cases: If you're doing something that 'should' fail, or if I'm choosing between two equally good plotlines.