Shards of a Broken Sun [Megaten/Shugo Chara/Exalted]
- Thread starter Baughn
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If Kana starts going crazy again, Naoto is much better equipped to stop her, but Amu and her sisters are much better equipped to help her, or to detect the problem before it boils over.
Also, whenever Yui gets rescued, she's probably going with whoever got Kana. Amu's family would probably be a much better environment for Yui than Naoto's place would be.
Also, whenever Yui gets rescued, she's probably going with whoever got Kana. Amu's family would probably be a much better environment for Yui than Naoto's place would be.
Kana's mentality, or Amu's, or both?
I wonder if we could split the difference after a certain amount of time passes as a sort of probation?
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- Laniakea
....Not entirely sure about that. We know that Kana has had to do things to keep Yui's abilities in check. Naoto could probably do it even more easily, simply by maintaining skin contact.
Since we know her status as a Blank was impeding Kana's own mental abilities by the sheer circumstance of being in contact with her:
That's not to say that Amu (or Ami) couldn't learn to do what Kana does, but there is a certain advantage to Naoto being able to just Imagine Breaker psionic powers at the drop of a hat.
True, but I think Quine was talking about the social aspects of the environment and not (just) the safety part of things? (Which I why I think shifting environments after things settle down a little more might be a good compromise, if Naoto is willing to consider it)
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- Laniakea
Marginally, perhaps. More than half the current occupants of Amu's household are psionics like the Scavengers (Amu, Ami and Miki). Those 3 are less murderous than the Scavengers, but they are still not exactly normal people and we don't know enough about Yui to know how receptive she would be towards Tsumugu and Midori.
And with 5 kids to now deal with - 3 of which are unexpected newcomers - I am not sure how easily Tsumugu and Midori themselves would manage.
Naoto may not be a social butterfly, but I'd imagine her keeping a cooler head when dealing with Yui and Kana than, well... we know what happened when Midori got concerned over Amu heading to the Scavengers. And Amu isn't even a real delinquent, unlike Kana and Yui.
Naoto isn't exactly a normal person either. If you want a household with normal people, Amu's family actually has some. It's also got kids for Yui to socialize with, and examples of psions whose powers do more than hurt themselves or others.
We don't know how receptive Yui would be towards Amu's parents, but the same applies for how receptive Yui would be to... pretty much anyone, including Naoto.
Midori's reaction there was normal and healthy.
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- Laniakea
As I said, marginally better.
It's never going to be substantially better so long as Yui can't attend to school or even step out of the house without wearing a hood/mask to dodge facial recognition from street cameras. Their living situation is never going to be stable until that gets resolved, until then the number of people they will ever get the chance to befriend or interact with in any significant manner will be pretty much limited to whoever has access to whichever safehouse they are bunking at.
Kana meeting Amu was a one-in-a-million fluke - either that, or the work of precognitive mastermind playing 4D fate chess if you don't believe in coincidence.
Normally and healthy for Midori. Wasn't quite as emotionally healthy for Amu in the moment.
Just imagine it happening with Kana, if Midori asked Kana where she was planning to go, detected her lie and then drilled her like Amu and found out she was planning to go look for the other Scavengers by raiding a Manticore facility and squeezing brains until she got the answers she needed. However the heck that would play out, I severely doubt it would be as amicable as Kana agreeing to drive there with Midori.
Even if Amu's family could talk her out of it once or twice, things would be tense and probably come to a boil at some point. Hopefully not literally, as Midori and Tsumugu have a lot less capacity to deal with pyrokinesis compared to Naoto.
The way I see it, staying with Amu would be good for Kana in the short-term mentally, but mid-term would be iffy. Naoto would be better medium-term, as I see her being more flexible in living arrangements than Amu's parents and more able to physically (and legally) protect Kana when Manticore comes knocking.
Long-term?
.....There is an argument for Amu being better, as long-term comes down to resolving the whole Manticore/Scavengers mess. Yui - the comatose one - is a key component of resolving that and there is a good argument for Amu being able to help with her more than Naoto and her contacts.
If you're worried about Kana trying to do that kind of thing, you should vote to send Kana to JP's. They've got the kind of security that can stop Kana from going on murder missions, and stop Manticore from taking her. They've also got psychologists, and Kana could really benefit from one.
Naoto can't really do anything to stop Kana from just walking out while Naoto isn't there, and Naoto will frequently not be there. She's got friends, but they've got their own things to do, and most of them don't have mind control immunity. She might have police contacts, but those are even more vulnerable than the friends are.
The vote options suggest Kana probably isn't going to do this kind of thing any time soon, though - "it'll be some time before she's active in any non-fluff manner other than perhaps hunting down Yui".
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I believe Naoto is better, because PR is one of the noted hooks of this organisation, and because we couldn't handle the 2 Demons by ourselves, what if Manticore throws two Phoenixs and a Jack Frost our way if we try the Martial solution by ourselves?
(Naoto and co will be fine in that scenario, but we are unlikely to be - Nagihiko won't exactly be around then?)
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- Laniakea
I mean. We don't actually want to "stop" Kana from rescuing the other Scavengers. Rescuing the other Scavengers is a good thing. Amu should get in on that if possible, it would probably count as one of those long-term goals that get us bonus XP.
Midori and Tsumugu, on the other hand, would certainly want to stop both her and Amu from getting involved in it. Because they are good, responsible parents and the "normal and healthy" thing to do is to "leave it to professionals". But in this case, Kana has a personal stake in this matter, because her own mother is in the middle of it. And her deciding to leave handling her mother to other people.... does not seem likely (and understandably so).
Naoto giving Kana more free reign is something I see as being a good thing.
The situation is more complicated than just bringing down Manticore.
Mainly because Kana's mother is part of Manticore and bringing them down means bad things for her, which Naomi would definitely pay for a front row seat to watch, but would also do a hefty number on Kana. Leaving it all up to JP's is liable to result in Kana's next talk with her being in a morgue, directed to a body bag. Because the impression I am getting of the woman is akin to Precia Testarossa from Lyrical Nanoha - hell bent on fixing Yui and will not surrender if she thinks it will harm Yui's chances of waking up again.
The cleanest way I can see to resolve this is to find a way to properly heal Yui and using the promise of it to get Asahi Nanami to voluntarily submit in exchange. And I feel like Amu has better odds of finding that way than Naoto does.
...what does any of this have to do with Kana's long-term living arrangements? Even if we get Big Yui out, she's not staying with any of these characters. She's a coma patient. She's going to a hospital bed, probably at JP's, regardless of who Kana is staying with. If we think we can help out, we can go to JP's and try.
And we're not going to charge Manticore HQ by ourselves, regardless of who Kana is staying with. It'd be tactically and strategically unsound on so many levels.
I see this as both unlikely, and not a good thing even if she did it.
I think you've got a much more optimistic outlook on Kana's odds of achieving that than I do.
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- Laniakea
I envision Kana's most stable long-term living arrangement as being one where she gets to live with a non-comatose sister, who is not in a hospital bed.
Getting Big Yui out is part of the problem and as I said, the cleanest way I can think of doing that is to find a way to heal her and offer it to Asahi in exchange for surrendering herself and Yui.
Because charging Manticore HQ to try and grab her by force does, as you say, have its problems.
It doesn't really matter if Kana is staying with Amu or Naoto for that, though.
Also, we can't even diagnose Big Yui without access to her, so it'll be very hard to present a compelling case that we actually have a cure. We've only got Kana's years-old memories of what she remembers Big Yui's condition being like. That's nowhere near enough to tell if anything we have in mind would actually work.
We do have the Humpty Lock - well, "have", sort of - which looks like a more plausible hope for Yui than anything Asahi can do, but it doesn't seem like enough of a certainty to get Asahi to flip. She seems more likely to just order a theft if she learns about it.
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- Laniakea
Thing is, Amu has something potentially better than the Humpty Lock - access to its creator, or some of them at least.
If there's anything that can do a better job than the Humpty Lock can at repairing a broken mind, chances are it will be the people who made the Lock in the first place.
In Shugo Chara canon, it was just something found in an antique shop, but in this quest, Tsukasa, Aruto and Tadase's father are seemingly responsible for its creation. Aruto is currently missing, but Amu has access to Amakawa Tsukasa and Tadase's father (who coincidentally, is also named Yui).
They may not have Big Yui to present for a diagnosis, but they do have her sister and also Small Yui.
And it would probably be easier to organize a sit-down with them when Kana/Yui are living with Amu than with Naoto (it's also possible that Tsukasa might even be able to arrange for them to attend Seiyo under a pseudonym, which would be even better for achieving some semblance of a normal living standard than just hunkering in Amu's house).
Since Tsukasa and Tadase's family are what I assume to be "traditional" magical families, there's even a chance their name might be leverageable with Asahi or Manticore as a whole.
This isn't to say it couldn't be done with Kana living with Naoto, just that there would probably be less opportunity for it.
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Wait, is this an argument for handing Kana off to Tsukasa?
Cos it sure reads like one, although it's not currently IC because we don't know IC about what Tsukasa did to stabilise the Psionics situation.
By the same logic Naoto would be interested in Tsukasa though, and then we could arrange their meeting up and follow up from there?
Naoto is more likely to take action faster if Kana is staying with her as given in the original option pros/cons assessment in the update?
(I do not currently see a path for us to be able to deal with Manticore so far, but Naoto at least has the potential to be able to do such through her connections and personal capabilities)
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Baughn, is it safe to say what Kana did to herself was a Wits + Occult + Mind Control combination? (Integrity notably not included)
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- Laniakea
I was seriously thinking about it as a write-in (more Tadase's family in general than his uncle), but.... unfortunately we just don't know enough for certain about him (or Tadase's father) to be able to say it would be a good option.
There is a non-negligible chance that they themselves are involved in dangerous activities and, even if they are genuinely good people, may not be able to fully shield Kana or Yui from it.
The first thing that came to mind when I read that bit about Kana describing her aunt as a monster and the family that her mother ran away from as monsters was Fate/Nasuverse and how all the magical families there are morally bankrupt. And the few good people high up in the formal organizations, like Waver, still have to associate with highly questionable figures on a regular basis as part of their work.
Doubly so, when the previous version of the quest - specifically, the Informational also linked about the mechanics of magic/psionics in this version - refers to various "Towers" as formal organizations in the magic sphere.
Like the Clock Tower in Nasuverse.
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If Kana's mom is truly desperate to get her kid back, wherever she may be in might be attacked on the future (PR problems can be mostly ignored when you have factual evidence said Psionic kid has murdered people before), and I think Naoto is better equipped to handle that than Amu is?
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- Laniakea
I was thinking more.... Kana's mom is bad, but the aunt and grandparents who are traditional sorcerers are apparently worse. So if Tadase's father and uncle are involved in the traditional magic sphere, they may have to deal with people like the aunt and grandparents regularly. And then Kana and Yui may inadvertently become caught up in what those people are involved in too.
Basically, if being on run from Asahi and Manticore was the frying pan - could turn out that having them around a traditional magic family like Tadase's might be jumping straight into fire.
Chances are she might be. But, again, the opportunities for arranging it would probably be slimmer than they would be if Kana were joined at our hip. Tsukasa tends to be a flighty kind of individual, hard to pin down.
I wonder if even Hotsuin managed to get more than a few minutes of meeting time out of him.
Baughn
Healing-type writer
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- Dublin
That sounds right.
Kana is of the opinion that her mom won't do that, because doing so would make Kana very sad.
Which is certainly plausible.
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- Laniakea
Oh, yeah?
This part made it sound like Kana thought her mother would hurt other people around her, if she thought it was for Kana's benefit.
Baughn
Healing-type writer
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- Dublin
She would. She clearly has. So it's a matter of judgement, and I won't tell you which way that will fall, though you can probably guess it's less likely if Kana seems happy.
Yeah, but then given Midori got a message the instant she decided she wanted to meet him (in one of the fluff for post-arc possibilities) I don't think that's entirely the case?
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- Laniakea
Actually, I considered that point as another thing that might potentially improve the chances of arranging a meeting with Tsukasa if Kana were to stay with Amu.
Since that coincidence heavily implies Tsukasa was using his precognition/clairvoyance on Amu and/or her close contacts and family, in order to figure out the best time for the man himself to organize a meeting with her.
And if he has a habit of scrying on Amu or her associates, Kana being closer to Amu increases the chances of him taking notice of her and becoming interested. Whereas if she's less-frequently around Amu, there's less likelihood she'd show up (or at least, show up often enough) to catch his third eye.
....Of course, it's entirely possible he already knows about Kana and has just been trying to avoid her, but if he wanted to avoid her, he just wouldn't agree to meet anyway even if we broached the subject.
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