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54% means only slightly more than half the data was accepted. This can either point towards compatibility issues or picking and choosing what itd accept

On top of that, it actively rewrote the language regarding Shapers with its own spin on the subject, before shutting us out to continue working on itself

Friendly or not, if it doesnt accept the hierarchy it can and will intervene if it thinks it knows better. Thats the problem with unpredictable elements. They interfere
 
But does the interference really matter 'that' much? You're going to have to take a risk some where, this is as you said after all, hard mode. Hedging all your bets tends to be a bad move in such a case, and previous events also indicate that this was the case. The best win scenarios are clearly impossible with out taking risks.

Thus the question is, which ones should one take? Not looking in to something is also a risk, for all you know there could be an unpredictable element there as well? Maybe something else from Creation is actually following the Exaltation shard?


But then one can construct such narratives for many of the given options, and probably for write-in options as well. What ever you choose, you are taking risks. Don't look more in to the reality engine? Maybe that will be more dangerous then Exo? Don't look in to local reality? Sure the physics differences might not cause a major problem real soon in combat or otherwise?

Etc etc etc. There are probably always going to be relatively immediate things, especially as past long term issues move in to the now as well. But when will they do so? And if you aren't ready, will it affect your options further...



And well I'm going a bit in circles, I hope my point is clear though.
 
True, but the ability to interfere with our connection with Amu forces EVERYTHING to be a risk

Our connection with Amu is literally one of her main lifelines in being able to react to sudden developments. Thats not just "a" risk

Its something thats incredibly dangerous. Especially if it gives Amu bad advice in the future at a critical juncture.
 
Honestly, I have no idea how to proceed from here, and we've done enough fumbling in the dark at this point. Let's wait until it's conscious and see what happens then.

In the meantime, let's just see if we can tweak Shadow Etched in Air Shintai.
 
The chances of us doing something blatantly dumb is rather low, given our collective knowledge pool

That thing doesnt have those advantages
 
TehChron said:
The chances of us doing something blatantly dumb is rather low, given our collective knowledge pool

That thing doesnt have those advantages
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It might not actually be hostile though?

We're not going to win this on the Exaltation's strength alone, and this thing should be able to rebuild itself enough that we can actually get a sensible reaction out of it when it wakes up. Assuming that something with 2.5% of itself intact is hostile just because it was "In the way" when it didn't know any better seems a bit overzealous.
 
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Fuck me sideways, I just figured out a good way we could have gotten assistance.

We could have tried to template the Entity as something like an Unwoven Coadjutor.

Might still be able to depending on how it congeals, but it does mean that there's precedent for having an extra voice in the Exaltation/Host gestalt, and that it can be quite handy.
 
Alectai said:
It might not actually be hostile though?

We're not going to win this on the Exaltation's strength alone, and this thing should be able to rebuild itself enough that we can actually get a sensible reaction out of it when it wakes up. Assuming that something with 2.5% of itself intact is hostile just because it was "In the way" when it didn't know any better seems a bit overzealous.
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Not hostile, just dumb

Just as much a liability that way. And im not saying we should get rid of it. Just ensure that it cant screw us over.
 
Almost tempted to follow up the cakes with a Chalon de Trois, but I can't muster enough cruelty. Alas~

If research comes before talking with Amu:
[x] Improve the Shadow Etched in Air Shintai charm.

If Amuchat comes first:
[x] In addition to whatever topics the two of you may wish to discuss, give her a rundown of your current research options. You're currently set to follow up on her previous wishes to improve Shadow Etched in Air, but if she thinks there's a more pressing topic you'll switch to that instead(coming up with a replacement for DAP that fits Amu's situation better and allows for Chara creation comes to mind).
 
Huh. That's... interesting. The signing one level up from Autochthon, once you remove the Zalgo junk is:

[Level 3: Unknown signature authority (VNAME s:nirguna

And then the watchdog triggered. Nirguna is the thing that enables existence in Exalted-land (by not existing), which might indicate that Exaltation-kun... has a watchdog against authorizations/influences from the pre-shinmaic substrate that both universes are based on, according to Baughn's earlier mentioned physics-heirarchy... or possibly just against Nirgunic manipulation. Or something.

Given certificates establish identity, I'd normally expect Nirvishesha to be the one in play. Anomalous, and thus of curiosity.

At the least, it indicates something odd when the certificate-signing involves fundamental properties of reality.
 
Wow, I didn't even notice that, nice catch Quantumboost.

So, the certificate chain seems to read, as follows...

Level 0: E.60 (Us)
Level 1: Autochthon (Either the Core or his Jouten?)
Level 2: Autochthon (The conglomerated Primordial Entity that is Autochthon)
Level 3: Shinma Nirguna (That which governs Existence by the Exalted framework, by being a null-entity beyond everything else. Which means the level of "Something Exists" in Exalted is defined by "How different it is from Nirguna")

At this point we have a gap, as the Exaltation temporarily shut down, likely as a security measure so we didn't wind up comprehending shit we're not equipped to handle and breaking in the process. "The Beyond" is something that only a Lunar Exaltation would really be able to grasp effectively.

So Stage 4 and 5 are unknown, but are Likely the bridge between our known metaphysics and what we're dealing with now.

Level 6: Valid signature authority (VNAME rindler.3d2f28ab695acf04dddf9760681425d9)
This is likely where our information package finally connected with the rest of our metaphysical papertrail, and the Entity got it's bearings.
 
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Level 6: Valid signature authority (VNAME rindler.3d2f28ab695acf04dddf9760681425d9)
This is likely where our information package finally connected with the rest of our metaphysical papertrail, and the Entity got it's bearings.
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No, our package would connect with our papertrail at the first authority, E60 (that's us!). This is the point when the Entity found something it trusted.
 
Alectai said:
Level 6: Valid signature authority (VNAME rindler.3d2f28ab695acf04dddf9760681425d9)
This is likely where our information package finally connected with the rest of our metaphysical papertrail, and the Entity got it's bearings.
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Typically papertrails like this shouldn't be metaphysical. Actually I'm not sure how that would even get you a valid certificate. These things pretty much have to be handed out to you by someone. And then the person/entity accepting has to say, ok I trust this person/entity; because I've seen this key before and it's a trusted authority.

And as the author said before, falsifying something like this is pretty much impossible and Exaltation wasn't even trying to do that...
 
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Argh! This quest just keeps getting more complicated!
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It's not really complicated... though it helps that I happen to know about certificate chains like this. Admittedly just amateur knowledge, but it stands out to me as such.

To try and explain it more simple though, certificates are used as a way to ensure that at each step a trusted source, emphasis 'trusted' can check to see that what they received indeed came from who it was claimed to be. As well as that the source can be trusted to give you good information.

This means that 'physics' having a certificate doesn't make much sense, why would you trust 'physics' to give you a key? Or give you a good patch update for say your OS? In that regard if you say used a microsoft OS, you'd probably prefer to have a certificate from microsoft confirming it indeed is from microsoft. And if not microsoft, well if say the USA had a certificate and stood in instead for them one level higher (Because for some reason you couldn't get it directly from microsoft), that's probably trustable as well right?


Thus in the end what you have is chains of trust between people. Where if need be you have trusted intermediary parties who can also give you a trustable block of information, patch or otherwise.

And thus basically how higher up the chain you have to go with key, how further removed you are in a sense. (To long a chains might make you thus distrust things again, because how well can you trust each person in the chains judgement after all?)


(This explanation is not wholly correct, but it's the best I can do while keeping it simple at this point of time. It should be close enough I believe)



In this regard you can thus conclude that there was an entity/person with a vname of rindler, that gave out keys two to separates entities/people, that then gave out keys yet again, and those then gave out keys to others yet again, etc, until we reach the required number of steps as indicated by the level. (Again an over simplification, but it will do)
 
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