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Honestly, it's a mix of both. Exa is gaining a more nuanced view of what it means to be human, because otherwise it'd be very close to rejecting Amu, and that view is making it re-evaluate its previous hosts on a more comprehensive basis than just their soul structure. Infernals may still have been technically human according to the original criteria, but most of them fail miserably at behaving like a human.

On the other hand, Exa's new, improved and oh so nuanced view of humanity closely mirrors the way it expects Amu to act.

On the gripping hand, you haven't actually started deleting any code...
 
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Giygas said:
The only way for an Exalation to ditch its host is for the host to become completely incompatible with it.

So far the only thing that canonicaly worked was becoming a Primordial, so it isn't easy at all to become incompatible.
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The known ways for a Exaltation to ditch a host is to become a Primordial, ghost, elemental, or god.

Alectai said:
Not really, it's going "Nope, she's definitely human, hell, she's more human then some of my previous hosts". Because Infernals Barely resemble a human. At least she was "Close enough" that she could have a relatively intact Solar Exaltation target her for Exaltation, while Infernal Exaltations have to be virtually dragged to their target without exploding the vessel on the way, and it leaves a mark behind on the host.

Not to mention how Humans, for instance, aren't immaterial, but it's really easy to become naturally immaterial in the Cecelyne Charm Tree.
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The only definition of human is whether they have a Hun and a Po soul. You can be made of light, or sapient crystal, and still be equally human as someone made of flesh and blood.

That's a feature, not a bug, of Exaltation.
 
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The only definition of human is whether they have a Hun and a Po soul. You can be made of light, or sapient crystal, and still be equally human as someone made of flesh and blood.
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That's definitely the definition Autochthon was going for, yes.

Amu has never once fit that definition.
 
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Baughn said:
That's definitely the definition Autochthon was going for, yes.
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Isn't it more that he built the Exaltations to slot into the Hun and Po soul gestalt, so it's not a coded limitation on the Exaltation, it's that they just fall off creatures that don't have that soul structure as they don't have the right kind of interface. An elemental or demon, or jadeborn, could have all the qualities that an Exaltation would look for, but it doesn't matter as they don't have the right kind of metabiology - so it's not that they're programmed to Exalt humans, it's that they can't Exalt anything else.

It's why you can Exalt Lintha, despite them not really being humans, because the human soul structure is the same as the Lintha one (it's probably just as accurate to say that Exaltations are designed to Exalt Lintha, as they're what Autocthon studied to make them, and humans are metabiologically the same as Lintha).
 
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Alratan said:
Isn't it more that he built the Exaltations to slot into the Hun and Po soul gestalt, so it's not a coded limitation on the Exaltation, it's that they just fall off creatures that don't have that soul structure as they don't have the right kind of interface.
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Well, perhaps. It doesn't matter very much right now, because any such restrictions would have been lifted before the story even started, but I'm not terribly familiar with that area of Exalted lore.
 
Alratan said:
Isn't it more that he built the Exaltations to slot into the Hun and Po soul gestalt, so it's not a coded limitation on the Exaltation, it's that they just fall off creatures that don't have that soul structure as they don't have the right kind of interface. An elemental or demon, or jadeborn, could have all the qualities that an Exaltation would look for, but it doesn't matter as they don't have the right kind of metabiology - so it's not that they're programmed to Exalt humans, it's that they can't Exalt anything else.

It's why you can Exalt Lintha, despite them not really being humans, because the human soul structure is the same as the Lintha one (it's probably just as accurate to say that Exaltations are designed to Exalt Lintha, as they're what Autocthon studied to make them, and humans are metabiologically the same as Lintha).
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Incorrect.

Pureblooded Lintha cannot ever recieve an Exaltation, though it's possible to breed Terrestrial Exaltation into their lines, but to do so would dilute their own pure blood, and thus, become eligible for any kind of Exaltation because they're more human then primordial species.
 
Well, Pureblood Lintha have a proper Hun-Po soul structure with a Bloated Po soul, which is the thing that most interested Autochthon and allowed him to create the Exaltations, but given that the Lintha were the enemy he probably disallowed them as target of the Exaltations.

Presumibly a properly tweaked Infernal Exaltation could Exalt a Pureblood Lintha, but none of them exist in the Second age.
 
We have a grand total of one write-ins, and I... will start writing relatively quickly. You have eight hours and a bit.
 
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Oh, crap.

How does this work!?!

@Alectai
Write something! Our only current write in is by the guy that thinks we actively aggravated Nyarly with our last speech, and I'm not even sure what it's trying to do.
 
Well, calling him insane in a childish manner is actually doing just that

Being aggravating. Even the guy who wrote it kinda face palmed over how it turned out

Id like to feel like that kinda knee jerk hostility is unwarranted, but hey, Im not gonna kid myself here
 
Amu is a child, remember? I was impressed by how well you folks understand her character. Yes I was. :cool:

@beowolf : Well, how about you? It's usually easier to pick holes in existing suggestions than to start from scratch.
 
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I am literally running a block because I've used up too much of my brain lately. I am so, so sorry :(

Wait, no, I might have something. One moment please.
 
Aaaanyway, all the write in does,is try to convince Amu to go for breaking a deal to get Nyarly off her back while fishing for some information is well

Assumptions are great, but actionable intelligence is what IC endeavors can be based off of. If Amu knows what's got Nyarly so willing to go to these lengths to get her in his pocket, that means she can exploit that fact for her own ends
 
TehChron said:
Aaaanyway, all the write in does,is try to convince Amu to go for breaking a deal to get Nyarly off her back while fishing for some information is well

Assumptions are great, but actionable intelligence is what IC endeavors can be based off of. If Amu knows what's got Nyarly so willing to go to these lengths to get her in his pocket, that means she can exploit that fact for her own ends
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Compassion 5, means that she probably won't though. Unless she needs to do it to protect people she cares about more than she pities him.
 
We're not controlling Amu at the moment, we're giving her advice :) That was a distinction that was blocking me :)

The Engines are online and grinding away, Write-in ETA sometime in the next 20-30 minutes.
 
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Getting him off her back so she can go back to the real world should fall under that, I think

Securing "assistance" should help with that, too
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Ohh. Yeah, I was just saying we'd probably not be able to exploit it in any way that would hurt it.

On a completely unrelated note, what tweaks are we going to give Creation to allow it not to be as craptastic for everyone living there? Also we have a different type of humanity compared to original creation (This Humanity almost sounds like every human is a Geth Collective living in a Platform and only loosely connected to each other (through the Collective Human Unconcious)).
 
Eh, if we could secure a bit of Nyarly for Exa-kun to experiment on, that'd probably help push forward what potential options are pretty quickly

Almost a shame that's probably impossible to do safely
 
[X] Amu, listen.

An argument based on intellect and morality will have no impact upon Nyarlahotep, such emotions are beyond him in his current role, and attempting to force him to comprehend them anyway will require him to divert more of his attention here. His consciousness becomes increasingly unstable however when he does this, leading to his increased belligerency.

He is desperate, but he seeks your assistance, he will not try to destroy you, but may do so in his attempts to empower you, as I cannot predict how his power would interact with mine. Remember however that he has come to You for assistance. Ask it for clarification on how it expects you to assist it--as this should pacify it, and do not succumb to fear, treating with the mighty is as much a role of a Solar as beating back the darkness, I have the utmost faith in you.
 
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[X] Alectai

Time to cross our fingers and pray.

Just looked at our Social Stats. Dear god we suck, our only saving grace is Charisma sitting at a pretty little 4. 0 Socialize, 1 Presence, and 1 Performance. And no wonder she's faltering, 2 Integrity, which isn't bad, but we're dealing with... that, so... Uhh, yeah.
 
When you stop and think about it, it's a really good thing that Nyarly isn't really trying to throw his weight around

It'll be Hotsuin well need to worry about on the social fu front once we get back, anyway
 
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[X] Alectai

*sends prayer-Essence equivalent to the writein's Least God*
 
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