Second Life Begin Again (A Naruto Reincarnation Quest)
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[X]No
[X]Stay with Hiashi: He needs someone to talk to right now… To allow him to express his grief.
[X]Stay with Hiashi: He needs someone to talk to right now… To allow him to express his grief.
- Location
- Somewhere, probably Earth
Yes, that's the facts of things. But it's not necessarily how others will view us.
I want to come off as a prodigy. It reduces personal danger. Atlas is an asset someone might try to steal, a prodigy is dealt with like any other would be.
Thing is, Hiashi isn't gonna steal us. Niether is Minato or Kakashi. Ninja know how to practice information security. We aren't gonna be shouting Atlas's name from the rooftops, we're letting the people directly in charge of us know. We should let the people we can trust know, so that they know what's going on, can plan for it, and can even help us deal with it.
- Location
- United States
[X]No
[X]Find Kakashi-sensei: You need to see if Kakashi-sensei is okay
Agh, there's no right choice to choose from and I love it.
I think that revealing that Shiro is secretly a reincarnated AI (and would anyone in the Elemental Nations at this time even be able to fathom an electronic AI system?) probably isn't for the best. It'd probably be simpler to pass it off as a new sort of pseudo-bloodline; Shiro could simply tell the truth in that he blacked out during that period of time and while he was blacked out he apparently became a medical savant. There have certainly been stranger cases in the Elemental Nations, so it wouldn't be too difficult to accept, especially considering Shiro's strange circumstances.
Staying with Hiashi probably isn't the greatest idea, unless Shiro rolls good diplomacy to get him to open up and break down in front of him. As noted by the QM earlier, Hiashi is putting up a strong front while with Shiro, so if Shiro reasonably goes to visit his previously very injured sensei it'll allow Hiashi a little bit of private time to try and cope with what's just occurred.
Kakashi was really injured before Shiro blacked out, so of course checking to see if everything turned out okay with him after Shiro blacked out would be a priority. Neji is safe, and Shiro hasn't been given any immediate and urgent need to see Itachi, so I think checking up on Kakashi would be wise.
[X]Find Kakashi-sensei: You need to see if Kakashi-sensei is okay
Agh, there's no right choice to choose from and I love it.
I think that revealing that Shiro is secretly a reincarnated AI (and would anyone in the Elemental Nations at this time even be able to fathom an electronic AI system?) probably isn't for the best. It'd probably be simpler to pass it off as a new sort of pseudo-bloodline; Shiro could simply tell the truth in that he blacked out during that period of time and while he was blacked out he apparently became a medical savant. There have certainly been stranger cases in the Elemental Nations, so it wouldn't be too difficult to accept, especially considering Shiro's strange circumstances.
Staying with Hiashi probably isn't the greatest idea, unless Shiro rolls good diplomacy to get him to open up and break down in front of him. As noted by the QM earlier, Hiashi is putting up a strong front while with Shiro, so if Shiro reasonably goes to visit his previously very injured sensei it'll allow Hiashi a little bit of private time to try and cope with what's just occurred.
Kakashi was really injured before Shiro blacked out, so of course checking to see if everything turned out okay with him after Shiro blacked out would be a priority. Neji is safe, and Shiro hasn't been given any immediate and urgent need to see Itachi, so I think checking up on Kakashi would be wise.
We could lie, but what is there to gain from it? Why not tell the truth? Even if they don't understand the ramifications, they can atleast understand "This kid has a Super Doctor in him".
- Location
- United States
Like I said, he wouldn't technically be lying, just omitting some of the truth. He could just relay the undisputed fact that he blacked out, and then his body went on by itself to help save lives. There was almost certainly a personality change as well while this was going on, probably in the emotionless/logic-based sort of way, so that would lend more credence that this was more of an automatic thing that occurred instead of someone hijacking his mind or something.
Saying outright that Shiro might not even truly be the original Shiro at all is a bad idea. It could easily be misconstrued as someone else's soul having replaced Shiro's true one at birth, which could have many negative effects on how many people view him from then-on even if it's disproved, not to mention the general viewpoint Shinobi have about potential infiltrators which could definitely be applied to Shiro in a sense.
It's called a lie of omission. Also, when we say we blacked out, they would almost certainly ask if we know why, and we'd then be lying if we said no.
We are as original as Shiro gets. Reinacarnation is a thing in this world. That is not a new concept. We are Shiro, but we were also someone before we became Shiro. Presumably that's true for EVERYONE, the only thing special about us is that we remember.
- Location
- United States
Does Shiro know why he blacked out by letting Altas have control, though? Don't they share the same soul, technically? Couldn't he have simply viewed things in the back seat a la Atlas while Atlas was controlling his body? It certainly wouldn't require him to lie, that's for sure.
I'm also aware that it would be a lie of omission, but then again most people (even irl) lie by omission all the time, technically, whether they're aware of it or not. It's not anything out of the ordinary.
I'm assuming you're referring to the Asura/Indra cycle, which wasn't common or even rarely known knowledge. They believe in an afterlife, not so much reincarnation; the only reason Asura/Indra were reincarnating like that was due to Otsutsuki shenanigans.
We do know that we blacked out BECAUSE we handed off control. Saying we don't is just a flat out lie.
People IRL commit all sorts of crime and other scummy behavior all the time. Doesn't mean it's right, nor does it mean people won't react negatively.
Asura and Indra are 2 cases we know, but I HIGHLY doubt they are the only ones. They aren't even special, Hamura had kids as well at the VERY least, and we know that various powerful individuals can just... come back whenever they feel like it (Obito, namely). They afterlife is not just believed in, it's factually proven. They can retrieve dead-souls from it at anytime they wish, and I'd be shocked if they don't have written record of what it's like somewhere. They would 100% know Reincarnation is A Thing (the First Hokage, being one, would presumably figure stuff out in the After Life, if nothing else).
- Location
- United States
I'm saying Shiro doesn't know why he had to black out in order to do that, though. Saying that he doesn't know why wouldn't be a lie; after all, if Atlas can watch things from the black seat, why can't he since they're intrinsically the same soul?
Lies of omission? Lies of omission are told all the time by basically everyone without any malintent, whether they know it or not. In fact, spilling out every single detail of what one knows about a certain thing along with every single connecting detail just isn't very feasible. Lies of omission aren't a crime, nor is it very scummy in 99.99% of cases, due to the nature of what a lie of omission means.
Asura and Indra are special cases due to their heritage combined with their very specific relationship, circumstances, and their intense will and single-minded nature to overcome the other - it's almost memetic in a way. Hamura did have kids, but they didn't do the stuff, experience the things, nor were they manipulated by Kaguya's will like the Sage's sons did/were.
Obito was an obvious outlier; he did it right after death in a purely yin-chakra based capacity temporarily for Kakashi who already had a strong connection with Obito's Sharingan. They cannot come back "whenever they feel like it". Kakashi was obviously incredibly surprised that Obito managed to do as he did in the first place anyways, and Obito was only able to do so due to the dimensional abilities of his Sharingan (at least in the manga).
The afterlife may be factual proven to the few that are aware of the Second Hokage's technique, but for the general populace/99.99% of people? They don't have the proof, so it's more of a religious thing than a fact to them. It doesn't help that the technique proving it in question is in the Forbidden Scroll, which just about no one would have access to.
They definitely aren't aware that reincarnation is 100% a thing. I don't know where you're getting that from. What evidence is there that Hashirama found out about his reincarnated status in the afterlife and somehow told people before ever being summoned by Orochimaru in the future?
We're not, we're revealing that Shira is a demi Jinchuriki with the Creature being a benevolent Being who helped us save hundreds.
- Location
- United States
o_o You know that people hate Jinchuriki, right? Also Hiashi's whole family (sans his wife/the Branch family) were killed due to the tailed beast escaping from a Jinchuriki. Is that supposed to make people feel better about Shiro's situation? Not to mention that'd be outright lying, considering this is literal reincarnation, not some other being sealed within Shiro's body.
Demi-Jinchuriki! Atlas isn't even a Tailed Beast. We're not saying that we're some 20 year old man who got reincarnated into the body of a child, we're saying that a benevolent God/??? dwells within us and allowed us to save 400 people.
- Location
- United States
I'm saying that the idea of him being similar to a Jinchuriki will only make people draw parallels between them, and cause some hate/discrimination to pour over into Shiro's situation. Relating Shiro's situation to that of a Jinchuriki will only inspire hate and malice towards him. Not that his situation is anything like that of a Jinchuriki's in the first place, if anything it's more like Minato's chakra's situation in Naruto's seal, except Minato is replaced by the memories of Shiro's soul's past life.
We aren't telling the public, we're telling our uncle about the being that saved his Wife and his daughter, we can just keep this between the two of them.
- Location
- United States
... so you want to draw parallels between Shiro and a Jinchuriki to Hiashi, who's nearly entire close family was killed by a being who escaped their Jinchuriki?
The question isn't "Why do you HAVE To", but "Why DID you". The REASON we blacked out, was Atlas took over. Why do we HAVE To black out, was not the question.
Again, just because people do it, doesn't mean it's right to do. Lies of Omission commonly occure during Fraud or Infedelity, and are likely to make people not trust you. We aren't hiding details about a surprise party, or the fact that we think someone is overweight, we are hiding very important information and in the process saying we don't trust them. So yeah, they would probably take it negatively and not trust us either.
Asura and Indra are LESS special than Hagaromo and Hamura, who were ALSO exceedingly single-minded, and THEY didn't reincarnate (they did just stick around as ghosts, or something). And Hamura's kids had all the same special stuf, and absolutely did do the stuff, experience the things, and were manipulated by Kaguya's will. These were the kids who were directly in charge of protecting Kaguya's body, why WOULDN'T Zetsu be manipulating them? Zetsu almost certainly caused teh entire civil war that killed damn near all of them and caused them to slack in their duties (You know... if they were canon in this fic, which they aren't). They are also FAR from the only people who fit all those qualifiers.
Obito explicitly used his sharingan to get out of there, and of the hundreds/thousands of years of Mangekyo Sharingan being a thing there is no way Obito was the only one who had a n eye that did that stuff. And when he came back, he didn't pop right into Kakashi, he just came back to his own body, and then floated his way into Kakashi. Kakashi was surprised, because they don't do it often, but that doesn't mean they can't/don't.
People who know about the Second HOkage's technique : Hiashi, Minato, Kakashi (probably), everyone we would even be telling.
What's more, the 2nds technique is not the only technique that brings back the dead. Suna has a reincarnation technique, and the Rinnegan is known to have one, the Uzumaki also presumably had a lot of experience interacting with the afterlife given they learned to summon and bind the Shinigami, the Avatar of Death Itself, to their will, and I HOPE that the 2nd's technique was based off of other techniques and he wasn't SUCH A GENIUS, that he, completely on his own with absolutely no other materials for reference, discovered the After Life, discovered how to bring people back from the after life, discovered how to create artificial bodies, discovered how to bind those people to those bodies, discovered how to make those bodies regenerate, and discovered how to make those bodies produce infinite chakra. I HOPE he simple took various techniques, and synthesized them into one high-level form.
There is no evidence, hence "presumably", like how I doubt that Mr Snake Man was the first to summon Hashirama. A lot of people would have a lot of reasons to wana summon the 1st hokage back to life for a time. The Ninja World has gone through 2 wars since he was alive, the 1st one of which consumed both Hashirama's AND Tobirama's life. Tobi almost certainly would have brought Hashirama back to help finish that first war, if nothing else. But for all the different ways for news on "Hey, Reincarnations is A Thing" can have slipped (like, you know, the abundance of OTHER reincarnation techniques), I am certain it would have gotten out out at some point.
We don't have to draw parallels, we just say that another being has existed within our soul since we were born, and that being was the one who saved the rest of his family. There's a difference between a Robot like being and a giant f-ing Fox.
- Location
- California
[X] Yes
[X]Go to Neji: You need to see your little brother and see if he is okay.
[X]Go to Neji: You need to see your little brother and see if he is okay.
- Location
- Why would this be required?
[X]No
[X]Stay with Hiashi: He needs someone to talk to right now… To allow him to express his grief.
[X]Stay with Hiashi: He needs someone to talk to right now… To allow him to express his grief.