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Scrambled Eggs. A Sonic X Sega All Star Villains CK2 Quest

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griffinlw said:
My assumption is Kingster means the interlude involving the Ragnite and Valkyur. It's hard for me to say since it hasn't happened yet, but I assume we could have had a chance to link up with the Nameless. As an "enemy of my enemy" kind of thing. But it seems like they didn't need our help.
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Ah...a shame we missed the oppertunity. Oh well, I can't say I regert how we've spent our actions. Thoug I do wish we got the conch...

Still their victory is also our victory to some degree, even if it won't be quite as easy to make contact.

...Then again if Chaos is involved it might be a good thing we aren't around.
 
SmashQueen said:
Going back through Shadow the Hedgehog's endings, this particular Black Arms Shadow seems to be from the Mostly Dark Ending variant, wherein Black Doom's plan goes off without a hitch, and Shadow becomes his right hand. As this is not the worst case scenario (Pure Dark, everything will die or be conquered), that means this Shadow did, at minimum, 2 missions following Black Doom's orders, or followed him obediently up until the ARK and chose not to destroy the ARK's defenses. I'm not about to suggest he could have done any of the heroic routes then backtracked onto the dark routes because of the implications of what he did to the settlements.

This is crucial imo because that means this Shadow had his final showdown in the Black Comet, which is only accessible through either killing the president, reliving the ARK massacre in which he kills every G.U.N. soldier, or going through Iron Jungle and destroying all the G.U.N. robots there. I'm willing to bet this Shadow still has a shred of sentimentality for the ARK and what it meant to him.

This is a Shadow who loathes humanity, but not the world itself, was told he was created to be Black Doom's weapon, and accepted it as fact. To get him to change his worldview again would be a monumental task. But not an impossible one.
/blathering

Anyways, DC to infiltrate the Restoration is lowered. Send in Belle maybe? She makes friends, Eggman gets intel. It's win-win!
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It was implied Shadow also suffer from Shattered Memories like Eggman but one of his variants have take hold of his main body. So this Shadow piloting his body could have been from Pure Dark Ending as well.
 
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TBH even if we are not the direct start for the fallout.

We can always come in later with the steel chair.

Or in this case carpet bombing.
 
Soberan 123 said:
It was implied Shadow also suffer from Shattered Memories like Eggman but one of his variants have take hold of his main body. So this Shadow piloting his body could have been from Pure Dark Ending as well.
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Pure Dark Shadow declared he was going to destroy the planet with the power of the Emeralds. Black Doom wants to conquer it instead. Those two are at odds with each other, but you're right in that the evil Shadow variant could be affecting this Shadow to some degree. However, that also means the other dozen or so variant Shadows across the multiverse could also affect him at some point. I'm counting on that to break him out of his devotion to the Black Arms eventually, because there is no real way to get him out of Eggman's way for good atm, barring knocking him out and throwing him into a pod again. Even then, that wouldn't be a long term solution.
 
so, what actually happens if the black arms try to fire the eclipse cannon with a fake emerald? I know it will fail but will it just not activate, break, fire at low power or explode?
 
If something I wonder how effective certain message would be.

We should have tucked out somewhere Gerald last sane message and the true purposse of the eclipse cannon after all somewhere in our database.

Since only one specific path leads to the discovery of that message.

And pretty sure only last story shadow has seen that specific mesage.
 
SmashQueen said:
because there is no real way to get him out of Eggman's way for good atm, barring knocking him out and throwing him into a pod again. Even then, that wouldn't be a long term solution.
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we have a solution, kill him. it's just a matter of how we go about doing that. I proposed 3 plans for it earlier.

roboticize the deadly six and have them gang up on shadow, I'm progressively getting less and less confident that this would actually acomplish anything.

upgrade metal back into his Neo form (or possibly beyond it) and build the other metal bots (metal tails, knuckles, etc) to back him up.

create a new Phantom Ruby prototype and use Super Eggman (yes this is canon)
 
Aron593 said:
If something I wonder how effective certain message would be.

We should have tucked out somewhere Gerald last sane message and the true purposse of the eclipse cannon after all somewhere in our database.

Since only one specific path leads to the discovery of that message.

And pretty sure only last story shadow has seen that specific mesage.
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In game it was on the ARK and the Chaotix played it. But yeah, that feels like it would be a piece to the puzzle to reach out to the better Shadow if people want to go that route.
Archmage Zoltan said:
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Killing works, yes (if you can find a way to do that), but having him alive as a problem for other factions in the future felt like a better option.
 
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Yeah good luck killing Shadow.

Like Black Arms DNA is hell of a drug and pretty regenerative.

Like don't remember how Eggman found him, but pretty sure even re-entry to the atmosphere wasn't enough.
 
Archmage Zoltan said:
so, what actually happens if the black arms try to fire the eclipse cannon with a fake emerald? I know it will fail but will it just not activate, break, fire at low power or explode?
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In the "Hero" story it's implied that putting the fake emerald into the cannon is what made it explode. Although, the fake emerald apparently gives off enough chaos energy for Sonic to Chaos Control with it. Presumably we could wire one to where if they try to use it, it self destruct and damages the cannon

As for all of you coming up with plans for Shadow, I think you're all massively jumping the gun. We don't know what happened with Shadow, and until we do all of this is just spitballing. We may be able to appeal to his humanity and kinship with Maria, we may be able to give/leave him the fake emerald and make him not our problem for a few turns, or we might have no choice but to face him at full power. We just don't know what his mindset is like right now, and until then trying to trick him or lead him on seems dangerous.

As for fighting him... I don't know if we can beat him with anything less than an army and an upgraded Metal Sonic. He's consistently one of the top dogs in the setting, and there's no reason for it to change here.
 
so this is less serious but I just had the thought to see how many super modes we could theoretically stack for metal sonic.

metal overlord might be out of our reach, I don't know if we have access to all the biodata we'd need for that transformation.

Master Overlord might be as well, metal requires the biodata of sonic and shadow for this transformation, as well as the mater emerald. even if we had the setup we only know where two of the three are.

Metal Sonic Kai requires a Giant Dark Ring, which should just be a matter of research and then actually making the thing.

Giga Metal requires the Phantom Ruby, we could probably pull it off with a prototype which Eggman can just make more of

Titan Metal is very similar to kai, but is an archie exclusive that came from a power gem, mystical gemstones that version of robotnik had figured out how to create artificially, this would probably come from Drawing Up Plans

so that's 3 transformations I know of that we could reasonably get and stack on top of each other, what the hell would this even do? and does anyone else know any that I missed?
 
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Giga and Kai seem to be the only ones on the table for the moment.

We don't have archie memories yet and even then the archie triggers we have are post-SGW, we would need a pre-SGW for the power gems.

And even then unlocking archie without more understanding of Shattered Memories may be bad.
 
Archmage Zoltan said:
so this is less serious but I just had the thought to see how many super modes we could theoretically stack for metal sonic.

metal overlord might be out of our reach, I don't know if we have access to all the biodata we'd need for that transformation.

Master Overlord might be as well, metal requires the biodata of sonic and shadow for this transformation, as well as the mater emerald. even if we had the setup we only know where two of the three are.

Metal Sonic Kai requires a Giant Dark Ring, which should just be a matter of research and then actually making the thing.

Giga Metal requires the Phantom Ruby, we could probably pull it off with a prototype which Eggman can just make more of

Titan Metal is very similar to kai, but is an archie exclusive that came from a power gem, mystical gemstones that version of robotnik had figured out how to create artificially, this would probably come from Drawing Up Plans

so that's 3 transformations I know of that we could reasonably get and stack on top of each other, what the hell would this even do, and does anyone else know any that I missed?
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I don't think is a good idea to let Metal reach by that point, could we even control him anymore by then?

When Becoming Metal Overlord he try to become a robotic god or something.

Neo Metal Sonic is probably the max we can do without him turning on Eggman.
 
Soberan 123 said:
I don't think is a good idea to let Metal reach by that point, could we even control him anymore by then?
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oh this is just for fun, it's a terrible idea. I think we could probably keep control of him but I'm not convinced that all these upgrades would actually be compatible. for instance the power gems were known for being unstable so I doubt they'd play well with other power sources.
 
Soberan 123 said:
I don't think is a good idea to let Metal reach by that point, could we even control him anymore by then?

When Becoming Metal Overlord he try to become a robotic god or something.

Neo Metal Sonic is probably the max we can do without him turning on Eggman.
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Reminder I gave you Qm confirmation of that not possible unless you guys crit fail certain rolls related to eggman or enemy action to eliminate the loyalty softwares eggman put into him
 
Kingster said:
Reminder I gave you Qm confirmation of that not possible unless you guys crit fail certain rolls related to eggman or enemy action to eliminate the loyalty softwares eggman put into him
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Would it not break the game transform Metal Sonic into Metal Overlord?

I can understand Neo Metal Sonic but any of these super transformations ruin the game since by then there would no struggle anymore since All Eggman would have to do is unleadh them on someoen and won.
 
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Soberan 123 said:
Would it not break the game transform Metal Sonic into Metal Overlord?

I can understand Neo Metal Sonic but any of these super transformations ruin the game since by then there would no struggle anymore.
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Oh I never said anything about achieving those transformations, don't misunderstand what I said.

I'm telling you the risk of Metal betraying you if he continues to grow in power is non existanr unless you guys fuck up in something.

You guys could try and get metal tk any of those forms, but it's not gonna be easy AT ALL, and no guarantee you succeed
 
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