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Scientia Weaponizes The Future

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sandmanwake said:
Because when Coil told her to use her powers on him to figure out more about his powers, he had to have used it so her powers could work on him while he was using it.
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Not really. He could've just described his experience of using the power.
Coils Interlude 8 tells us only that he asked Tattletale about his powers, not that he demonstrated them to her.
Why would he tell his vulnerability to an asset with dubious loyalty and flight risk, not locked up in his basement and drugged up to the gills? It does not fits his personality and is plainly illogical.

Corvus Black said:
When Sophia is hit by a person in shadow form she stalls and is subjected to intense pain.
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Source on that?

Corvus Black said:
The bolts are inanimate.
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There is a precedent(Sentinel 9.4) for non-biological, if relatively large supersonic projectile launched by Ballistic causing her intense pain.
 
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buffog said:
Source?
We can be sure that she has full info on his power only when she tells Taylor about it post-Levi battle.
Coils Interlude 8 tells us only that he asked Tattletale about his powers, if he really does splits realities or just pre-cog, and she hadn't had an answer for him.
This says nothing about what Tats knows though, as that most probably was at discarded timeline.
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It was not a discarded timeline since it was part of her contract that she couldn't tell anyone what Coil's power was.

Tangle 6.8 said:
"When I asked what his powers were, at the meeting, you said you didn't know," I accused her.

"No," she shook her head, "I said I couldn't say. Which is true. One of the contingencies for my getting to be part of the Undersiders and get the funding he offered was that I would keep the details a secret, and I've got to do that until he says otherwise, sorry."
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buffog said:
Source on that?
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Chapter 5 of this story.

buffog said:
There is a precedent(Sentinel 9.4) for non-biological, if relatively large supersonic projectile launched by Ballistic causing her intense pain.
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Nothing to do with what I was talking about, which was Sophia transferring her power to her bolts.
 
buffog said:
Source on that?
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It's not exactly that Sophia stalls and suffers pain immediately on contact with people; it's that she can only hold shadow form so long before it starts to hurt, and can't rematerialize while a solid object is blocking her way. Our protagonist exploited that in the Winslow fight by holding her arm in the way long enough for her to hit her limit.
 
Corvus Black said:
It was not a discarded timeline since it was part of her contract that she couldn't tell anyone what Coil's power was.
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I mean coil's interlude literally starts and ends with
" you can never be too paranoid " he double checks dinah's predictions in two timelines, tortures mr.pitter in the discard timeline because he is expandable, giving info on your power, no matter how little to thinker that you know hates your guts and who's power is extrapolation, because you expect her to adhere to a contract she signed at her lowest point under threat of death does not really fit his MO.

It is not stated whether or not coil asked tattletale in a throw away timeline but I lean toward that he did even if it leaves us with the problem of how did tattletale figured it out, which might just be a case of " the plot God demands a pothole ".
 
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Corvus Black said:
it was part of her contract that she couldn't tell anyone what Coil's power was.
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That does not means she knew what his power is. She didn't say that she knows what his power is.
Quote could be interpreted as either:
1) Tats disliking to admit she doesn't knows something and her being needlessly pedantic because of that. Which is completely in character.
2) Coil saying what his power is, but lying/not telling specifics, bullshitting about "destiny manipulation", e.g. giving out misinformation about specifics/limitations, making it look like probability manipulation, more powerful/global version of Shamrok's ability.
 
supermou3ad said:
I mean coil's interlude literally starts and ends with " you can never be too paranoid " he double checks dinah's predictions in two timelines, tortures mr.pitter in the discard timeline because he is expandable, giving info on your power no matter how little to thinker that you know hate your gut and who's power is extrapolation, because you expect to adhere to a contract she signed at her lowest point under threat of death does not really fit.

It is not stated whether or not coil asked tattletale in a throw away timeline but lean toward that he did even if it leaves us with the problem of how did tattletale figured out his which might just be a case of " the plot God demands a pothole ".
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I literally just gave you the chapter where Tattletale says she knows and has done since before the Undersiders were formed.

You can argue with that but you are arguing against canon, not me.

buffog said:
That does not means she knew what his power is. She didn't say that she knows what his power is.
Quote could be interpreted as either:
1) Tats disliking to admit she doesn't knows something and her being needlessly pedantic because of that. Which is completely in character.
2) Coil saying what his power is, but lying/not telling specifics, bullshitting about "destiny manipulation", e.g. giving out misinformation about specifics/limitations, making it look like probability manipulation, more powerful/global version of Shamrok's ability.
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Yes, she knows what Coil knows. I've said this in the thread already a page or so ago.
 
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Corvus Black said:
You: That does not means she knew what his power is. She didn't say that she knows what his power is.
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Knowing Coil has "some kind of probability manipulation" is not "she knows what Coil knows". That's unwarranted leap.
That's like saying that by knowing Taylor is a master you know what her power is like she knows it.
 
buffog said:
Knowing Coil has "some kind of probability manipulation" is not "she knows what Coil knows". That's unwarranted leap.
That's like saying that by knowing Taylor is a master you know what her power is like she knows it.
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Coil doesn't know what his power is.

I have given quotes on this already. Just read them. I'm not going to keep having the same argument.
 
Corvus Black said:
Coil doesn't know what his power is.

I have given quotes on this already. Just read them. I'm not going to keep having the same argument.
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He knows the result of his power what he doesn't know is whether he's literally splitting the timeline and throwing the one he does not like, or just making simulations and the act of him discarding one is just from his perception while what actually happens is going on autopilot and accomplishing the simulation he chose.

He knows what his power but he does not know how, the distinction in mechanics is purely academical.
 
How in the hell did Grue accept this?!
This must be before she'd tried to murder him, because- Well, to be fair he's totally incapable of putting his foot down. >.>
And now he'll get to reap the rewards of being a follower in the biggest gang around!
 
supermou3ad said:
He knows the result of his power what he doesn't know is whether he's literally splitting the timeline and throwing the one he does not like, or just making simulations and the act of him discarding one is just from his perception while what actually happens is going on autopilot and accomplishing the simulation he chose.

He knows what his power but he does not know how, the distinction in mechanics is purely academical.
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Was there a point in here somewhere? You're just rewording what I've already said elsewhere in the thread.
 
JoshuaSweetvale said:
How in the hell did Grue accept this?!
This must be before she'd tried to murder him, because- Well, to be fair he's totally incapable of putting his foot down. >.>
And now he'll get to reap the rewards of being a follower in the biggest gang around!
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Good on the PRT with SS ( horrible choice of name by the way ) gone they need someone to fill they're diversity and edginess quotas.
 
TheBiggerFish said:
Possibly he actually gets custody of Aisha for this instead of continuing to be kind of - eh, strung along, I suppose?
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He doesn't really make a compelling case for custody considering he would at best be a probationary ward with a criminal record. Best case I could see for Aisha in that case is that the PRT arranges for her parents to lose custody of her and her being placed with a foster family in Brockton Bay that actually want to take care of her, but I see a lot of conflict coming from something like that considering Aisha's personality.

The PRT might also just not do anything and leave Aisha with her mom/dad. It would be the stupid evil solution, but I could see a goverment agency just not catching on to there being a problem. Exactly how bad Aisha has it with her dad isn't super clear either.
 
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supermou3ad said:
Good on the PRT with SS ( horrible choice of name by the way ) gone they need someone to fill they're diversity and edginess quotas.
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They can't keep recruited villains locally; even shuffling them off across the country somewhere with a rebrand is more obvious than they would prefer, but that's the best they can do.

The PRT needs cape manpower desperately enough that they'll recruit some of the less bad former villains, but they don't really want it being obvious to the public that they sometimes let criminals off the hook to one degree or another. It's not really a good look, even if in reality the former villains are on probation and tightly monitored.
 
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henkalv said:
He doesn't really make a compelling case for custody considering he would at best be a probationary ward with a criminal record. Best case I could see for Aisha in that case is that the PRT arranges for her parents to lose custody of her and her being placed with a foster family in Brockton Bay that actually want to take care of her, but I see a lot of conflict coming from something like that considering Aisha's personality.

The PRT might also just not do anything and leave Aisha with her mom/dad. It would be the stupid evil solution, but I could see a goverment agency just not catching on to there being a problem. Exactly how bad Aisha has it with her dad isn't super clear either.
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...No, I mean that Coil bribed him with that.
 
JoshuaSweetvale said:
How in the hell did Grue accept this?!
This must be before she'd tried to murder him, because- Well, to be fair he's totally incapable of putting his foot down. >.>
And now he'll get to reap the rewards of being a follower in the biggest gang around!
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I'm pretty sure that she tried to murder him more than once in canon before Taylor triggered, but as I have no proof of that, I may be wrong... and this is fan fiction, and so canon may not apply.
 
A couple of things.. Coil's power run's it's sim's off what it gets from other shards. Taylor doesn't have one. I'm not sure why people are assuming a lot of shit he may or may not be doing with her.. Every time he tries something she'll be a normal hummie. Or the freaking god empresses of mankind depending on how freaked out tats shard was with what it saw.

For stalker, there is a vast and massive difference between squeezing across mater that's stable and not moving. And crossing a fucking river of electrons moving at the speed of light. Worse for her is unlike normal people where its skin contact and grounds out into the ground. It's suddenly across her whole body. If she was running full tilt at the door I would not be surprised if she's having heart issues at the moment from internal scarring.

Zappy zappy.
 
TheBiggerFish said:
...No, I mean that Coil bribed him with that.
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Sorta doubt it, since I would figure Coil would want to keep that piece of levrage as long as possible, but I could see him dangeling progress in the custody case over him.

That said taking a job to kidnap a teenage girl seems a bit outside of the wheelhouse of what Grue would be comfortable with, though he might have been woobified through the lens of Taylor being the protagonist in canon and fanfiction usually presenting him as an ok guy.
Prince Charon said:
I'm pretty sure that she tried to murder him more than once in canon before Taylor triggered, but as I have no proof of that, I may be wrong... and this is fan fiction, and so canon may not apply.
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Agitation 3.3
"Now she's a probationary member of the Wards, with the condition that she uses tranquilizer bolts and nonlethal ammo for her crossbow." "Which she isn't," Brian growled, "At least, not when she comes after me. That arrow she shot through my side had a fucking arrowhead on it."
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