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Just thinking here but Coils MO usually involves setting everything up and then splitting the time line. Using 1 to do the crime and 1 as a backup in case of disaster.

Normally very effective but can you imagine Shadow Stalker waiting around when everything is set up and ready to go. Especially given the authority issues she has.

Plus in this case, if Shadow Stalker jumped the gun in the back up timeline Coil would be unable to know or effect the outcome because of the Jammer.

So I think the most likely scenario here is Shadow Stalker disobeying orders when she was told to wait without cause. It would also explain how Shadow Stalker feel into the cristmass lights trap. When Tatletale should have been able to spot it easily if it was covering more then the front door.
 
Lycanthromancer said:
Because powers are bullshit. Powers are random if you don't know the logic behind them. Sophia melts into incorporeal shadow, so you'd think light would be her bane, or fire (which makes light). She can pass through living bodies, so obviously the electricity there (which runs the entire nervous system, as well as the regulation of the heartbeat) isn't that much of an issue, and she can go shadow with electronics on her person. Why would electricity be a problem?
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For reference, apparently a human neuron has a resting voltage of about 7 millivolts, and the average adult human brain has somewhere in the realm of 100,000,000,000 neurons. That's an electrical field around 14,000,000 volts per cubic meter.

So if Sophia can pass through that unscathed, there's no reason to believe that an electrical wire is an issue.

Then again, it's probably amperage that matters, not voltage.
 
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History's scariest " normal" schoolgirl . Well at least now that Lisa is outta the way coil will have to work harder for pretty much anything .
 
Lycanthromancer said:
For reference, apparently a human neuron has a resting voltage of about 0.07 volts (or 7 millivolts), and the average adult human brain has somewhere in the realm of 100,000,000,000 neurons. That's an electrical field around 14,000,000 volts per cubic meter.

So if Sophia can pass through that unscathed, there's no reason to believe that an electrical wire is an issue.

Then again, it's probably amperage that matters, not voltage.
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Sophia is Manton-limited.

BurnBright said:
What I'm saying is that Tattletale shouldn't be too surprised by Scientia's information- she knows what it subjectively feels like to Coil- she's exactly as aware of Coil's power as Coil is.
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And he doesn't know for sure. One of his guesses is Probability Manipulation.
 
BurnBright said:
I'm actually pretty sure this is information Tattletale already knew by story start, from my exposure to people correcting this recurrent piece of fanon. Tattletale knew that Coil thought he was splitting timelines. Furthermore, Coil didn't start the torturing underlings until later on, IIRC, since he never knew when he might be forced to keep a timeline unexpectedly. He did do it, but only to people he wouldn't mind losing, at least initially.
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Sure, but we're not to story start yet, and we don't know when he actually asked Tattletale.
 
Corvus Black said:
Sophia is Manton-limited.



And he doesn't know for sure. One of his guesses is Probability Manipulation.
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Right, but then, in that context, Tattletale's response makes no sense. She wouldn't call him 'that fucker' if she knew about how he subjectively perceives timelines. Furthermore, like I said, Coil doesn't torture his valuable subordinates until later on.

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TaliesinSkye said:
Sure, but we're not to story start yet, and we don't know when he actually asked Tattletale.
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Well, the author has spoken. That feels a bit odd, since he's had her for a while, but it works. However, given that he isn't torturing Lisa yet, I don't think, is that just Lisa making a mistake?
 
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TaliesinSkye said:
Sure, but we're not to story start yet, and we don't know when he actually asked Tattletale.
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Almost as soon as he recruited her, before the Undersiders were formed.

BurnBright said:
Right, but then, in that context, Tattletale's response makes no sense. She wouldn't call him 'that fucker' if she knew about how he subjectively perceives timelines. Furthermore, like I said, Coil doesn't torture his valuable subordinates until later on.
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It makes perfect sense. She didn't know that he's tortured her in cut "timelines".

Lycanthromancer said:
Which would mean that you could punch her just fine in her shadow form. And she couldn't phase through living matter, as her ability to phase bolts through people shows she can.

So no, she's not.
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When Sophia is hit by a person in shadow form she stalls and is subjected to intense pain. The bolts are inanimate.

So yes, she is.
 
Lycanthromancer said:
For reference, apparently a human neuron has a resting voltage of about 7 millivolts, and the average adult human brain has somewhere in the realm of 100,000,000,000 neurons. That's an electrical field around 14,000,000 volts per cubic meter.

So if Sophia can pass through that unscathed, there's no reason to believe that an electrical wire is an issue.

Then again, it's probably amperage that matters, not voltage.
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Keep in mind that the charge in neurons is ionic and electrostatic, sitting on either side of an osmotic barrier. It's not highly energized moving electrons like in an electrical cable. (This is something The Matrix got wrong; you can't really harvest neurons for electrical power.)

If you want to justify her power having an issue with one and not the other, there's room to do it there. Although of course it's all handwavy superpower stuff at the end of the day.
 
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Corvus Black said:
When Sophia is hit by a person in shadow form she stalls and is subjected to intense pain. The bolts are inanimate.

So yes, she is.
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Then she's a lot stupider than I ever took her for, since she phases through punches often enough. But she and things she affects CAN phase through flesh, no matter how unpleasant. If she were Manton limited, she couldn't do that.
 
On the subject of tt knowing about coil's power, how do we know that coil didn't just ask her those questions in a throwaway timeline? It makes sense to me that he would deny information on his power's weaknesses to the person that wants to kill him. Coil is lacking WIS, not INT.
 
Lincolnator said:
On the subject of tt knowing about coil's power, how do we know that coil didn't just ask her those questions in a throwaway timeline? It makes sense to me that he would deny information on his power's weaknesses to the person that wants to kill him. Coil is lacking WIS, not INT.
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Also an excellent point.

It's been too long since I read canon; I'd thought that Taylor and Lisa figuring out how Coil's power worked was a big plot point, but perhaps I'm misremembering.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
(This is something The Matrix got wrong; you can't really harvest neurons for electrical power.)
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Fun fact! In the original draft, the machines were supposed to be using human brains for computing power, instead, I've heard. That was considered too complex.
Lincolnator said:
On the subject of tt knowing about coil's power, how do we know that coil didn't just ask her those questions in a throwaway timeline? It makes sense to me that he would deny information on his power's weaknesses to the person that wants to kill him. Coil is lacking WIS, not INT.
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Tattletale explicitly knew about Coil's power by the start of canon, and it was Coil's power, I believe, which had them be saved by Skitter.
 
Lycanthromancer said:
Then she's a lot stupider than I ever took her for, since she phases through punches often enough. But she and things she affects CAN phase through flesh, no matter how unpleasant. If she were Manton limited, she couldn't do that.
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Maybe I'm using the term incorrectly then, but you know what I meant.

Lincolnator said:
On the subject of tt knowing about coil's power, how do we know that coil didn't just ask her those questions in a throwaway timeline? It makes sense to me that he would deny information on his power's weaknesses to the person that wants to kill him. Coil is lacking WIS, not INT.
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One of the conditions of her contract was not to tell anyone, so it had to have been in a timeline he kept.
 
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TaliesinSkye said:
(This is something The Matrix got wrong; you can't really harvest neurons for electrical power.)
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Useless Trivia Voice: Well, actually according the Wachowski's they were meant to be using human brains for their thinking ability, not batteries. The Machines had apparently figured out fusion power in the og script and didn't need them for that, just for the comparatively compact parallel processing power available in the human brain. But the Higher ups made them change it to batteries because audiences are stupid and "wouldn't understand"

EDIT: Oh dang, someone got to it before me
 
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JustGazzer said:
Useless Trivia Voice: Well, actually according the Wachowski's they were meant to be using human brains for their thinking ability, not batteries. The Machines had apparently figured out fusion power in the og script and didn't need them for that, just for the comparatively compact parallel power available in the human brain. But the Higher ups made them change it to batteries because audiences are stupid and "wouldn't understand"
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Ah, meddling studios. A tale as old as Hollywood.
 
I really want to eventually see a Prometheus Interlude, even as apocrypha.
Probably I mentioned it already, but I feel that the Coil issue must have been moved up in the VI's priority.

After all if Taylor for whatever reason didn't have her charges available the situation could have been a problem.
 
TaliesinSkye said:
If you want to justify her power having an issue with one and not the other, there's room to do it there. Although of course it's all handwavy superpower stuff at the end of the day.
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yep and while the powers might work by some real superscience, the rules available to users are shard's game logic.

If the shard says Sophia shall be vulnerable to electricity for game balance she will
 
I'm disappointed it didn't occur to her to pick up a stun gun for SS. She put up the Christmas lights to stop SS from entering her home, but once she gets shocked, unless she had another weapon like stun gun that could bypass her Breaker state, it's harder to subdue her safely. Though, what would have happened if she tossed a battery that had high enough voltage into SS's shadow form? Would that have knocked her out of the state long enough to get shot in the head with a bullet?

TaliesinSkye said:
I went for the downed agent's sidearm, and dumped my power into guns until I felt a wall after four charges.
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Does this include gun-fu?

BurnBright said:
I'm actually pretty sure this is information Tattletale already knew by story start, from my exposure to people correcting this recurrent piece of fanon. Tattletale knew that Coil thought he was splitting timelines.
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In canon she did know because Coil told her since he wanted her to use her powers on him while he was using his powers to see if she can figure out more about it.

Lincolnator said:
On the subject of tt knowing about coil's power, how do we know that coil didn't just ask her those questions in a throwaway timeline? It makes sense to me that he would deny information on his power's weaknesses to the person that wants to kill him. Coil is lacking WIS, not INT.
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Because when Coil told her to use her powers on him to figure out more about his powers, he had to have used it so her powers could work on him while he was using it.
 
Lycanthromancer said:
For reference, apparently a human neuron has a resting voltage of about 7 millivolts, and the average adult human brain has somewhere in the realm of 100,000,000,000 neurons. That's an electrical field around 14,000,000 volts per cubic meter.

So if Sophia can pass through that unscathed, there's no reason to believe that an electrical wire is an issue.

Then again, it's probably amperage that matters, not voltage.
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Most likely, it hurts her because that passive electric field is what hold Stalker's form together when she ghosts. Anything else would interfere with it.
 
sandmanwake said:
Does this include gun-fu?
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It most certainly does.

TaliesinSkye said:
I gauged the bolt's trajectory again and twisted out of the way so it would fly past, raising my gun and shooting in the same motion.

My bullet caught her in her right shoulder. She reflexively dropped the crossbow held in that arm and screamed in anger and pain. Yet she misted again in time to evade my followup shot and moved off quickly into the dark in shadow form.
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